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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:12 AM
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Enough about Wright hurting Obama. If anything, Wright speech made it
COMPLETELY clear that he is a pastor of a church that has done wonderful things and that his church has nothing to do with Obama becoming president. Just as McCain's preacher friends have nothing to do with him becoming president.

Obama and Wright are two different people with two different views which each are entitled to. Why would Wright's words have any effect on Obama's chances for being president? He speaks for himself and no one else. He has a right to speak for himself and to defend his life's work which had been about doing much good in the world.

They each are their own man.

Enough already.

Let it go.

Stop feeding the machine.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:15 AM
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1. Step outside and meet the voters. nt
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:17 AM
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4. Ha!
Couldn't have said it better!

:thumbsup:

-chef-
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:18 AM
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5. Do you honestly think.. If a person was being honest with themself, that
anything Wright says would be considered wrong? At least not in the biblical sense, and in the sense that he presented well what his church has done for the surrounding community (and elsewhere). Coming from a white fundamentalist upbringing, and now consider myself a Progressive - there was not a single thing I could argue with Wright on - or that I disagreed with.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:22 AM
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6. Unfortunately, facts, and truth play no part here. It is all about the perception of the masses.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:25 AM
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7. Which is? The media has been trying to create the perception and the
masses are not buying it. We here at DU seem to be feeding it more than the masses.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:27 AM
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9. Oh the "masses" have yet to pay much attention.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:42 AM
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13. The masses are asses
though I agree, its all about their perception, and its unfortunate. But I personally watched all he had to say and enjoyed what he was saying. I just wish all Americans did, though of course they wont.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:47 AM
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14. Though what you say is true... it doesn't change the net effect.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:07 AM
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23. That's precisely the point
Analyze why Wright made this splashy foray into the public eye last night: it was to dispel the perception that he was wild, angry and anti-american. Regardless that much of what he said was not only undeniable but inciteful, the tone was combative and he said plenty of things that could be used as ammunition. All in all, it was a self-serving display and it hurts Obama.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:49 AM
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15. "Obama seems to be starting off this week in about as bad a shape as we've seen in him in some time.

You’re so vain, you probably think this campaign is about you:

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro at MSNBC First Read

*** You’re so vain, you probably think this campaign is about you:

After addressing the NAACP yesterday in Detroit, Jeremiah Wright travels to the heart of the media beast -- the National Press Club in DC -- where he has been speaking this morning.

At this point, no matter one's political inexperience, Wright has to know he's not helping his friend;
his decision to go public and defend his reputation at this point in the campaign is doing nothing to help Obama, if anything, it's leading some to believe he's actually trying to sabotage him.
He's hurting him and hurting him very badly. Frankly, it’s as selfish of a move as we've seen in some time.
Imagine, for example, if Norman Hsu or Vicki Iseman were doing publicity tours right now.
Maybe, if there's a silver lining for Obama, he's giving Obama a very easy chance to simply walk away. Remember, Obama didn't toss Wright under the bus, but Wright appears to be doing that to Obama’s candidacy. Still, if Wright Vol. 1, “bitter,” and Pennsylvania didn’t move superdelegates, what will?

Nevertheless, Obama seems to be starting off this week in about as bad of shape as we've seen in him in some time.


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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:26 AM
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8. Those that vote for Clinton and against Obama based solely on Wright, wasn't truly Obama supporters
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:00 AM
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20. I don't think anyone who was going to vote for Obama would switch
solely on the basis of Wright's speech. It might work in the opposite direction, though. Before the anti-0bama folk set in talking about it, the impact seemed to be positive.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:16 AM
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2. The era of running away from faked outrage are over. Voters will respect that.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:16 AM
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3. Wright is the one "feeding the machine"
The damage is getting worse, every time he opens his mouth.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:27 AM
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10. you choose a pastor to be influenced by them. He chose Wright. So we look at Wright to know why
it is legitimate.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:34 AM
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11. Do people really choose a paster to be influenced? I think they choose
the one closet to their house it the domination they grew up in. Or one that their friends recommend. And, then they establish a place in that church for the rituals, weddings, christenings etc... sanctioned by their society. Usually the paster is of little concern unless he is not well liked by the community. Wright is a well loved paster.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:40 AM
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12. ummm... yes, most people choose a church because of the pastor, not to mention the fact that
Obama even said he chose the church because of wright!
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:00 AM
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21. What about Catholics who did not leave their church?
Does that mean all Catholics are pedophiles.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:01 AM
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22. No, you don't
There are a lot of reasons you go to the church you do, but to be influenced isn't one of them. You go because that's where you've always gone. You go because you like their message. You go because you feel warm and fuzzy in that congregation. You go because your mother makes you go. I don't know anyone who goes to church looking for a mentor.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:52 AM
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16. The problem with Wright is that
he made it doubtful in people's minds that they ARE different. By stating that Obama is a "politician" and says what he HAS to say, he places doubt that Obama doesn't think and feel the same as Wright does. Why else would Obama sit in the pew for 20 years. That's how middle America will see it, right or wrong.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:53 AM
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17. Sorry. Reality is where I live.
The potential for Wright- or rather how the media is exploiting him- holds the very real potential of damaging Obama in the upcoming primaries. I hate it, but I'm not an idiot and I'm not going to pretend it isn't potentially bad for Obama.

The Media is doing it's damndest to merge Obama and Wright. You want to go la la la and pretend that's not happening, bully for you, but don't fucking tell others how they should look at this. And don't feed me the bullshit about how saying it could hurt Obama is feeding the machine. Thanks.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:55 AM
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18. Fuck the media.... Obama's campaign is being run past, over, and around the media.....

That's why the polls don't move away from him, even after all the Media outrages-of-the-day.


Fuck the media.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:57 AM
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19. I wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment
but we'll just have to see what happens next week.
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