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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:36 PM
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Link to TRANSCRIPT of Wright's NAACP speech. (And what I find SO WRONG with it.)
Here's the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/28/wright.transcript/index.html

Here's the part I find really troubling: In this section, Wright is speaking pernicious, essentialist nonsense. What he does here (as unfortunately a lot of African-American studies types do) is to accept racist slurs on black people and then to try to make a positive out of it. And contrary to another OP here, Wright is clearly not talking about cultural differences, he IS trying to claim a genetic, essentialist, racist difference between the learning styles of blacks and whites (particularly because he makes his claims not only about white and black Americans, but also to extend them to "Europeans" and "Africans.")

Wright is basically saying here that Africans are less educatable than Europeans. In America, in Europe, in ancient Greece, classical China, or any other civilization you could name, education has (and really has to be) dominated by left-brain processes. It is about books, and it is about individual study.

Are some people more right-brained, do some people have different learning styles? Of course! But I contend that this is NOT a difference that is racial. Go where Wright is going, and the idea of the fundamental equality and commonality of human beings disappears: humanism itself disappears.

Finally, while Wright, in his sermons, condemns the ignorant, violent "gang-banger" mentality that holds down too many inner-city African Americans, rhetoric like the following only bolsters that mentality, and gives a seemingly scholarly gloss to the taunts and accusations that bedevil young African-Americans who try to succeed in education: are they getting good grades? are they writing good papers? doing their homework? passing tests, acing the SAT? Guess what -- "They're acting white!"

Here it is:

European and European-American children have a left brained cognitive object oriented learning style ...

Left brain is logical and analytical. Object oriented means the student learns from an object. From the solitude of the cradle with objects being hung over his or her head to help them determine colors and shape to the solitude in a carrel in a PhD program stuffed off somewhere in a corner in absolute quietness to absorb from the object. From a block to a book, an object. That is one way of learning, but it is only one way of learning.

African and African-American children have a different way of learning.

They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style. Right brain that means creative and intuitive. Subject oriented means they learn from a subject, not an object. They learn from a person. Some of you are old enough, I see your hair color, to remember when the NAACP won that tremendous desegregation case back in 1954 and when the schools were desegregated. They were never integrated. When they were desegregated in Philadelphia, several of the white teachers in my school freaked out. Why? Because black kids wouldn't stay in their place. Over there behind the desk, black kids climbed up all on them.

Because they learn from a subject, not from an object. Tell me a story. They have a different way of learning. Those same children who have difficulty reading from an object and who are labeled EMH, DMH and ADD. Those children can say every word from every song on every hip hop radio station half of who's words the average adult here tonight cannot understand. Why? Because they come from a right-brained creative oral culture like the (griots) in Africa who can go for two or three days as oral repositories of a people's history ..."
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:37 PM
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1. In all sincerity,
why would I care WHAT Wright says? He won't be on the ballot.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:43 PM
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2. You must have missed his speech at the press club this morning.
He said he was going to be Obama's VP.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:44 PM
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3. THAT'S A DAMN LIE. thx
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:48 PM
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no it's not...
he did make a flip comment about the VP position.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:24 PM
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75. Exactly... a FLIP comment.... so don't mischaracterize it....
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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:49 PM
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7. Yep
I'm pretty sure he said he would let Obama be his VP. /joking
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:46 PM
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4. Bwah!
VERY good! :rofl: :headbang:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:48 PM
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5. Robot...He was making a Joke!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:54 PM
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13. dirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:19 PM
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82. Right ~watch the SPINNERS
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:48 PM
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6. I think you're largely correct in your analysis
he is indeed referring to biologically inate differences between the races. And I think that's fucked up and offensive. Everything in the quoted passage I find grotesque, and I don't give a shit who calls me a racist because I don't agree with Dr. Wright. All that crap about from the cradle to the carrel. blech. And fuck, the nonsense about how kids with ADD can memorize evey word on a song? Bullshit. It depends on the individual. Furthermore ADD is hardly relegated to AAs-far from it. Oh, and African-Americans share far more of American culture than they do African culture- as if all African cultures were the same anyway.

you get a k&r from me.

Can you imagine if a white person said this nonsense?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:34 PM
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47. there are biologically inate differences between different gene pools
and it is true that over time species develop inherited predispositions to stimulus.
For example, how does my Cocker Spaniel know to raise his leg and point at birds even though he has never been trained as a bird dog?
It's because his ancestors were trained as bird dogs and he has inherited this reflex.

It is foolish to think that similar processes do not exist within the human species.

Thus,
People of a culture and genetic pool that has passed down its History in writing for millenia will learn in different ways than people that have always passed their History down as an Oral Tradition.
A child from the first culture might learn more easily through written word, while a child of the other might perform better with spoken word.

Science can prove this.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:02 PM
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59. "Nature vs. Nurture" has been argued interminably.
So my Nordic roots make me a better seaman? Well, I'm among fewer than 10% who don't get seasick ... but I suffered motion sickness in automobiles repeatedly as a child. Go figure.

At the same time, while I did well in a left-brained "factory method" school system, it was painful. I've found that I excel at learning with a right-brained supplement. For the "soft" subjects, I'm intensely experiential - kinesthetic.

I'm certain that ALL children would do better with a diverse teaching environment. That folks from a gene pool with an oral tradition (like the Nordic peoples!!!) would inherit (natural selection) WHATEVER genetic attributes that translate into such potential seems inarguable. What IS arguable is whether we even come close to comprehending the biological underpinnings of such performance in artificially-constructed systems. To argue that there's a "basketball gene" would be patently absurd. But that's what DU is presuming in the nonsensical 'discussion' of this particular topic.

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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:08 PM
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61. It's not nature OR nurture, it's the nurture OF nature (m)
One of my favorite quotes from the socialization literature. :-)

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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:43 PM
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48. I don't see anything in what he says to suggest these are biologically innate.
I think there's an assumption that when it's contended that different groups of individuals are "wired" differently, that those differences are innate, e.g., genetically determined.

However, the fact of the matter is that the brain's wiring is shaped by socialization. There's a HUGE scientific literature documenting this fact.

To suggest that individuals from different ecological niches may have systematically different learning styles is not that controversial. Different socialization strategies = different learning styles.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:43 PM
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49. This is a controversial SCIENTIFIC subject,
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 01:43 PM by votesomemore
and has been constantly debated since the dawn of time. It needs to continue to be debated because eugenics has caused great suffering on our planet.

It is a debate that should be had with the government's blessing and be taken into account when setting policy. HOWEVER.

It is a debate separate from governance. You cannot drag every issue into a political discourse determining elections. The BEST government will be one that allows open discussion and ongoing scientific inquiry into all things that affect us, including genetics. The BAD government stifles understanding, scientific examination, and squashes open dialog.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:17 PM
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81. where does he talk about biology?
He talks about people being socialized in different ways, one group with a written history being passed down, and one with an oral history being passed down. In the education classes I took in the early 00's I was taught that different cultural groups learned differently. Hell kids in France do not learn in the same way kids in the USA do. Expectations are different, methods are different. Why wouldn't 2 groups which have historically been segregated not have 2 different socializations, 2 different cultures, and 2 different ways of learning? He never put a superiority/inferiority schema into play, he just pointed out what he thinks is an obvious difference between the 2 cultural groups.

And yes I said DIFFERENT CULTURAL GROUPS,

That is why I was able to study US HISTORY (standard white victor history for the most part with a bit of Zinn's working class history thrown in by cool professors)
AFRICAN AMERICAN STUDIES (studying the same time period but through the eyes of a different cultural group than the above subject)
LATINO AMERICAN STUDIES (again same time period through the lens of another cultural group) and
NATIVE AMERICAN STUDIES (again same time perioud through the lens of another cultural group)

perhaps I missed something, but I see the differences he highlights as questions of SOCIALIZATION and not BIOLOGY. The question I have is how does Mr. Wright see it, socialization or biology? At any rate he is not the candidate so I really do not give a damn. Hell, he could have Farakan as his reverand and I would not give a damn BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLES RELIGION IS PART OF THEIR PRIVATE LIVES AND DOES NOT CONCERN ME IF THEY DO NOT INVOKE IT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST OTHERS. I have not seen Wright or Obama call for discrimination. Many times I have heard W. call for discrimination based on religion, crusades, waging a war against immoral drugs etc.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:49 PM
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8. Let's not forget that Wright is NOT a Politician..he is not running for office and so analysing his
words is meaningless.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:51 PM
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9. But didn't he say he'd be advising Obama? nt
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:53 PM
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12. All kinds of people can give unsolicited advice. I don't think he holds any sway over Barack Obama.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:59 PM
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21. IMO, he's got a lot of sway
It's telling that Obama stood up for Rev. Wright & refused to denounce him - and Obama called him a mentor, a teacher, someone who has shaped his beliefs. He even said that he could no more renounce Rev. Wright than he could renounce a part of himself. Rev. Wright has really helped form Obama's identity in a lot of ways, and IMO he seems to be almost a father figure to him. Which makes it all the weirder that Wright's sort of throwing around his weight, saying that he'll be VP & advisor, that he's the bringer of Truth & Obama's just a politician, etc. There's a weird psychodynamic there. I think he's got a LOT of sway over Obama - more than I'm comfortable with. Any time a religious figure is talking about being an political advisor, it bothers me a little. Religious figures shouldn't have that much influence over any Administration.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:04 PM
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24. He advised Bill when it was discovered Monica was sucking his dick!
Does that matter?

Just checkiong.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:08 PM
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29. No
I googled to find out what you're talking about - attending a prayer breakfast w/100 other preachers isn't the same thing as a 20+ year relationship. He's a mentor to Obama, so he's got a lot of influence with him - though that might be weakening now.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:51 PM
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93. So he did come to help Bill when he decided to come clean about the headers?
Nice of him. You should send him an email and thank him for lending his good name to get Bill out of hot water for handing the US a dickhead like bush. That was nice of Wright, to help Bill. too bad it didn't change the fact that bill's selfishness and lying would give us Bush.

And thank you.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:57 PM
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58. You're an Obama supporter, right?
That or a wingnut troll.

Sometimes, I can't tell the difference anymore.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:54 PM
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94. Did he show up for that charade or not?
I think he did.

Maybe you can help me. How can I ever thank Bill Clinton and his penis for George W. Bush being President? You see, without Bill's dalliances, we have had President Gore. Any help?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:45 PM
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51. And this isn't a POLITICAL ISSUE. It is a SCIENTIFIC ISSUE. Why the hell are we
discussing it on a primary forum? It isn't POLITICS people.

It's always interesting to see how many fall down the rabbit hole when the MSM comes out with a new bizarro theme of the day.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:51 PM
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10. Any other pastor transcripts to analyze?
Are you suggesting that what Wright said in a speech is relevant to the Obama campaign? Was Obama there in the aisle?

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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:59 PM
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20. I'm not trying to blame Obama for this -- I do think, however,
that the posts here in GD:P saying things like, "I like Wright/Wright speaking out will help Obama/Wright will change people's minds in a positive way/I don't want Wright to go away" are woefully misguided.

And I read on another thread that not only is Wright now "on tour" because of an UP-COMING book of his, but that Wright said that the book will be published/released in THE FALL THIS YEAR!

Pastor Wright just retired. Can't he be convinced to take the rest of the year off? See the world? Play golf? "Spend more time with his family?" I'm a Hillarite, but look, I realize Obama is our most likely nominee. It's bad enough we have Wrightgate, but if Wright is going to gad about for the rest of the year up through November giving speeches and interviews like this, let me just say, it doesn't look good.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:23 PM
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74. kick.
(Hey, I can understand Wright's love of attention. Not willing to be page-twoed yet!)
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:52 PM
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11. I won't vote for Wright
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:00 PM
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23. LOL! Me neither! Pastor Wright has lost my vote, dammit!!
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:42 PM
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71. I'd vote for Wright before I'd vote for Obama or Clinton...
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:55 PM
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14. If you want to hear what a bigot thinks, try asking "smalll" his opinion of Brooklynites.
Yep, still pissed about that. But then I slipped on my Birkenstocks, chewed some granola, sipped a latte, withdrew some trust fund money from the bank and drove my Prius to the Hamptons, and I felt MUCH better.

:mad:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:47 PM
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52. He's obviously lost his footing at the edge of the MSM rabbit hole of the day. nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:56 PM
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15. So Now Everything Wright Says and Does will be Under Microscope
I guess we now can do the same to Hillary and then McCain.
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Innocent Smith Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:56 PM
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16. That bothers me too
But I seriously doubt Obama thinks the same thing.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:57 PM
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17. Total nut case.
Keep up the good work, keep yapping brother!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:58 PM
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18. You have misread Wright. You are totalizing and reducing what he said.
And HE NEVER SAID IT WAS RACIAL. He was talking about culture, not race.

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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:10 PM
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30. Learning with different halves of the brain is GENETIC.
This is eugenics by another name. The difference in DNA between you, me, and a bushman of the Kalahari or a Yanamano of the Amazon cannot be measured. Humans are Humans and RACE is imaginary. Saying black children learn differently because they came from Africa is a corruption of what the slave holders have always said. One day in the distant future, everyone will be a shade of brown with almond eyes, or everyone will be dead.

This person needs to stop talking about anthropology, sociology, education and stick to RELIGION. That is what he's trained in, isn't it?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:15 PM
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36.  Your brain is also subject to LEARNING,
which is a manifestation of CULTURE. :hi:

And it's remarkable that you feel free to attack Wright without knowing what his training is in.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:23 PM
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40. that is not the argument he was making... and they told us what his training was before the speech!
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:16 PM
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64. looks to me like it's exactly the argument he's making
the quote in the OP talks specifically about culture :shrug:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:31 PM
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44. Actually, I read this a while back:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

(snip)

"In 1967 Wright enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., where he earned a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master’s degree in English in 1969. He also earned a master's degree from the University of Chicago Divinity School.<9> Wright holds a Doctor of Ministry degree (1990) from the United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio, where he studied under Samuel DeWitt Proctor, a mentor to Martin Luther King.<13>"

(snip)

Besides the Navy and several HONORARY doctorates, I see no degree in Sociology, Anthropology, Biology, Education, or even a degree in African American Studies.

I believe that would make most of his credentials for that speech anecdotal. You see, I've READ what his training consists of.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:50 PM
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54. So you still do not know if he has training in any of the fields you listed.
I have almost as much training in cultural anthro and in psych but you would find a degree IN ENGLISH unless you were READING MY TRANSCRIPTS. (slaps head)
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #54
99. sf, I cited his DEGREES.
And as I do have some background in Biology and sociology, his claims are eugenic in nature.

Support who you want, but this guy is a flake of the first rank. And I'm pretty damned insulted by a lot of what he says. Classical Music does not a racist make, and several black guest conductors and Mr. Winton Marsalis are affiliated with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra.

Why do you defend this guy?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. yes, this is racist crap. he needs to stfu
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:23 PM
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67. Not racist, and you don't know the subject
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #30
50. Learning styles can be driven by socialization as well.
There is a huge scientific literature documenting that socialization affects how the brain is wired. Why is this such an outrageous suggestion?
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:56 PM
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57. Because Wright is saying that
RACE affects how the brain is wired. And more than that, he's saying that race affects whether children will be "left-brained" or "right-brained", visual learners or aural learners. That's an incredibly sweeping statement that's got no basis in fact as far as I know. I'd like to challenge anyone to post a study that backs up Wright's claims. What's most disturbing is that people on this thread are repeating it as fact.
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:05 PM
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60. Race affects how children are socialized. Socialization affects how brains are wired.
So, yes, one could argue that race affects how brains are wired.

A good overview of socialization differences for ethnic minority groups would be:

Garcia Coll, C., Lamberty, G., Jenkins, R., McAdoo, H. P., Crnic, K., Wasik, B. H., et al. (1996). An integrative model for the study of developmental competencies in minority children. Child Development, 67, 1891-1914.

No offense, but I don't have time to play dueling citations right now. I'm working on deadline for a HUGE proposal due this Thursday. (Just taking a 15m break to surf the net, now I have to get back to work.) However, I'm happy to provide additional resources at a later time (after Thursday, lol). By way of background, I'm a professor and I've been studying the development of children within cultural context for about 15 years. Neuropsych is not my specific area, but I do have some knowledge of that literature by virtue of my focus on socialization.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:10 PM
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96. OK.
The article abstract: "Proposes a conceptual model for the study of child development in minority populations in the United States that is anchored within social stratification theory and emphasizes the importance of racism, prejudice, discrimination, oppression, and segregation in the development of minority children and families."

I don't disagree w/the thesis of that article, or with the argument that socialization affects education. But that article doesn't seem to have anything to do w/Rev. Wright's claim that right-brain/left-brain differences are based on race. Wright: "European and European-American children have a left brained cognitive object oriented learning style ...African and African-American children have a different way of learning. They are right brained, subject oriented in their learning style."

I'm looking for a study, any study, which shows that African-American children are right-brained, while European children are left-brained. But no one's come up with one so far. And even if there were such a study (which I really doubt), his statement would still be a gross generalization. ALL African-American children are right-brained? Subject-oriented? Aural learners? It's just wrong. He's talking about subjects that he's not an expert in, and leaving the door open for some pretty bad interpretations. Even in this thread, people are saying that different races learn differently, & repeating the weird right-brain/left-brain thing as if it's a fact, when it seems to just be Rev. Wright's spin on the world.
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BalancedGoat Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:36 PM
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78. I didn't take it that way.
To me, it seemed obvious that he was talking about cultural differences rather than racial differences. If you want to learn more about the source of the idea you should read Janice Hale's books.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:22 PM
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66. No, it is not genetic and Wright never says that it is.
It is educational theory, and if you think he is wrong, you don't know the theory.

http://www.mtsu.edu/~studskl/hd/learn.html

One way of looking at learning styles is to determine your hemispheric dominance. Are you more right brained or left brained? We know that the cerebral cortex is the part of the brain that houses rational functions. It is divided into two hemispheres connected by a thick band of nerve fibers (the corpus callosum) which sends messages back and forth between the hemispheres. And while brain research confirms that both sides of the brain are involved in nearly every human activity, we do know that the left side of the brain is the seat of language and processes in a logical and sequential order. The right side is more visual and processes intuitively, holistically, and randomly. Most people seem to have a dominant side. A key word is that our dominance is a preference, not an absolute. When learning is new, difficult, or stressful we PREFER to learn in a certain way. It seems that our brain goes on autopilot to the preferred side. And while nothing is entirely isolated on one side of the brain or the other, the characteristics commonly attributed to each side of the brain serve as an appropriate guide for ways of learning things more efficiently and ways of reinforcing learning.

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The contents of this web site came from Dr. Carolyn Hopper's Practicing College Study Skills: Strategies for Success 3rd edition, to be published 2003, Houghton Mifflin Company. The materials were copied with the permission of the author.

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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 12:59 PM
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19. different, not deficient.
please don't hate me because i clap on the 2 & 4-


please.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:00 PM
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22. He isn't talking
about racial genetic differences, he is talking about cultural differences. And he is overstating the case to make a point. In fact, these differences in learning style can be found in people of any racial or cultural background. He is merely saying that, at this point in time, in this particular cultural situation, black children in America tend to have a different learning style, and that needs to be taken into account. I can't see anything offensive about that.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:07 PM
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28. But why does he talk about "Africans" as well as African-Americans?
Why does he talk about "Europeans" as well as European-Americans? On balance, it looks racial. Just one other point: when he talks about the oral tradition of the African griots, I have two objections 1)any connection that modern African-Americans have to the griot tradition of Africa has to be so attenuated and distant as to be almost non-existent 2)more importantly, there's nothing AFRICAN about something like that: what about Homer? What about the oral tradition of Homeric recitation in Dark Ages/archaic ancient Greece? It's the exact same kind of thing, and the Greeks were "Europeans." That kind of complex oral tradition thrives in all kinds of cultures when a culture is non-literate.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:10 PM
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31. It just doesn't make sense
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 01:11 PM by Marie26
It sounds like he's talking about things that are best left to biologists or anthropologists, not religious leaders. It does sound like he's saying that black children aren't able to do "left-brain" learning, but where is that theory coming from? He's not a sociologist, or a scientist, or doing a study. It sounds like he's just making this up.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:53 PM
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91. I think Reverend Wright is...
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 04:57 PM by stillcool47
is a lot smarter than people give him credit for...and if you hadn't noticed Black churches deal with social and political issues...like Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.


Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal. In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.
In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967, he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.


After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.
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When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian."Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with
people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.
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Wright has authored several books, including Africans Who Shaped Our Faith, Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families, and What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. According to Cleophus J. LaRue in The Heart of Black Preaching, in his title sermon of What Makes You So Strong, Wright "demonstrates the power of the mighty sovereign at work in the lives of black people in twentieth century America. This sermon focuses on the root of black strength and survivability. Wright makes it clear throughout the sermon that the source of all strength, and especially black strength, is none other than the Spirit of God." As in his preaching, in his writing Wright focuses on the
dual issues of corporate concern and spiritual sustenance. His latest publication, What Can Happen When We Pray: A Daily Devotional, was published in 2002.
In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher,
teacher, and lecturer.

http://www.dogonvillage.com/blogs/african_american/archives/140

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:11 PM
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32. You are assuming that. No way did he make it clear that's what
he was saying. And what are you saying when you state that: "In fact, these differences in learning style can be found in people of any racial or cultural background"?
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:42 PM
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86. It seems obvious to me they are reading
racial overtones into something that has none - looking for things that aren't there. It is amazing how two different groups of people can hear the same words and take totally opposite viewpoints of it. That's a study waiting to happen. Maybe it's the difference between optimism and pessimism. For instance, I always look on the optimistic side of things and I heard a fascinating and uplifting speech. The pessimist needs to pick it apart and try to get something negative out of it. Liberalism vs conservatism in a way.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:04 PM
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25. Is he talking about Africans or Celts?

And what about the pre-Columbian populace here in the Americas? This describes them and Celts culturally. How does Rev Wright explain this if it is racial?

Just goes to show, stupid is not a rightwing monopoly.


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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:05 PM
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26. I just read the whole thing
I think he should stick to faith issues and let the scholars handle this stuff. He mentions some excellent scholars (Smitherman for example) but does not do justice to the complexity of their work. Why should he - he's a preacher.

All I can say is - his words will be so open to distortion and false interpretation. It does not bode well for the advancement of intelligent discussion of these issues. But maybe that's the way it always is.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:12 PM
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33. whew. excellent comment.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:52 PM
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55. discussion of the issues does not bode well for the advancement of
intelligent discussion? That's a contradiction. Discussion isn't good for discussion.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:11 PM
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62. I will try to explain
Wright has waded into some very complicated and highly charged areas. He himself is already in the very eye of a political hurricane. Many are waiting to play "gotcha" with any misstep. His discussion of these issues will be a subject to a very close level of scrutiny. Holes will be found, fault will be found. distortions and misinterpretations will be made. He will be held accountable to a level of detail and explanation beyond his capability. Others will be brought into the debate: scholars, charlatans, shit-stirrers, blowhards, partisans and apologists. All manner of well-intentioned and ill-intentioned people will toss around theories and ideas and anecdotes and misinformation. Will this further the general understanding of issues of race, class, culture and education? Eventually - maybe. But in the meantime - batten down your hatches.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #62
73. I blame it on Pluto and the Galactic Center. It's a good thing.
But that's just me.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:24 PM
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92. I don't see it as a matter of blame
and I hope you did not read my message that way.

I see this all as a mini-tragedy to tell the truth. And I don't wish it on Wright and I don't wish it on Obama and I don't wish it on all of us.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:05 PM
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27. Talk about negative stereotypes? geesh
I'm glad he's not educating teachers. :hide:
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:14 PM
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34. That's the problem when people do not understand
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 01:27 PM by ej510
what he was saying. He said that black and whites learn differently but we are equal.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:20 PM
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37. But is that true?
Rev. Wright's not a sociologist, or an expert on education. How can he feel comfortable making such a sweeping statement? Especially one that seems easy to twist into "black children can't do left-brain thinking?" To me, that statement was just ignorant.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:46 PM
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88. You know, the point is that
it is not really THAT important whether what he was saying was 100% accurate. His message is being totally overlooked in the nitpicking. He says DIFFERENT BUT NOT DEFICIENT - EQUAL. Why are so many people missing the MESSAGE? Good lord!!
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:28 PM
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42. We have the same genes, don't we?
One of my kids learns a bit differently from her siblings, but - overall - healthy, "normal," kids will have much more in common in the way they learn than Wright insinuates.

Now, if a kid born to a poverty stricken mom doesn't know how to sit still for reading time because she never read to him, that's different, but that's also not a "black culture" issue. White kids can suffer the same deprivation.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:31 PM
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84. I was taught
at the University of Illinois at Chicago in the early 00's, in the education classes I took, THAT PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT CULTURAL GROUPS LEARNED AND PROCESSED INFORMATION DIFFERENTLY. I am willing to argue the point with anyone that BLACK AND WHITE AMERICANS FORM 2 DISTINCT CULTURAL GROUPS AND THAT OBAMA IS PART OF A TINY MINORITY OF PEOPLE THAT HAD ACCESS TO BOTH OF THESE CULTURES IN HIS OWN FAMILY!

In general blacks and whites have many CULTURAL DIFFERENCES. In a pluralistic society that does not attach an inferiority/superiority schema to different cultural groups this should not be a problem as coexistance can be mutually beneficial and can one day lead to a SHARED CULTURE. The change is already happening. It began in earnest when white people started listening to black jazz musicians about 90 years ago and will one day lead to a shared culture (just as the other cultural groups mixed to form "white" american culture.)But until that happens we have 2 cultural groups living in the same country.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:15 PM
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35. You're wrong.
The way he described the oral traditions being handed down with certain meter is substantiated. Eastern thought has always been more right brain than left, more creative than logical.

So, all those times he said, "different is not deficient", you just blow that part off and go ahead and claim he is saying someone is deficient.

Perfect logical "reasoning" skills. :sarcasm:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:53 PM
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72. "Different is not deficient", is that kind of like "separate but equal"?
I don't know, I really like Reverend Wright and think very highly of him, but I do not agree with these ideas...
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:38 PM
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85. how can you be on the left and argue this????
DIFFERENT IS BEAUTIFUL DAMN IT!!!!!

Clinton drinks alcohol with friends, I smoke hemp flowers, this is an example of different people who have no problem coexisting in the same country (I know the law wants people to discriminate against me, but most Americans do not, and in Holland the 2 groups have NO LEGAL PROBLEMS to interfere.

Seperate but equal said that SEPERATE facilities could be equal.

DIFFERENT is not DEFICIENT means that DIFFERENT has no automatic link to inferiority/superiority.

DIFFERENCE IS SUPPOSED TO BE WHAT MAKES THE USA GREAT!!! DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER WITH DIFFERENT CULTURES TO FORM A NATION WHICH FINDS THESE DIFFERENCES AS STRENGHTS AND SOURCES OF BEAUTY AND DIVERSITY, NOT SOMETHING TO FEAR!!!!!

perhaps I am just a non conformist but I thought the USA was all about being able to take the road less taken, you know, being different, without linking that difference to a superior/inferior set up.


But what the hell do I know, I am just a flower child born to a non conformist family in 1979.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:50 AM
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100. Maybe you should pass-up on the next hit and re-read this
whole thread and especially my post. We are talking about RACIAL EQUALITY, not differences between individual persons. Wright is saying that the entire black race is wired differently than the white one - that isn't about "being different", it is about lumping all of the INDIVIDUALS of a given race and saying they are all the same. Kind of flies in the face of your big diatribe, eh?

And we have already fought those wars about "different but equal" treatment under the law - which is what this is all about. "Different" under the law means "unequal" and nobody wants to go backward on that. This has nothing to do with individual rights and differences, it has to do with racial equality. You are not advocating non-equality of the races, are you?

I smoked my first pot in 1967 and one thing I have learned is there is no shame in skipping a toke now and then... :hi:
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:47 AM
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101. just to let you know
I posted this on a Monday and I do not smoke outside of weekends. At any rate DIFFERENT is not inherently unequal, SEPERATE is. Judging by this discussion you and I are different but we are not unequal. Were we to be segregated into different schools that would be unequal.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:57 PM
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102. That's okay. You still don't get it.
This is not about individuals, it is about groups, or perceived groups. I was just being humorous about the smoking. Good luck to you. :thumbsup:

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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:21 PM
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38. his assertions have been proven wrong by neuroscience and FMRI studies galore!
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:24 PM
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68. Where? Have any cites at all?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:27 PM
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76. Even if you are right.... WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH OBAMA?

Rev Wright's views are REVEREND WRIGHT'S VIEWS.... no Obama's.


Get it?


Has OBAMA ever said anything like this?



This stupid hillbot assumption that everything Wright says is agreed with by Obama is ridiculous.


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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:52 PM
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90. You are still trying to equate his statements
with neuroscience. He never claimed brains are physically different between the races. He claimed certain cultures do better with certain learning methods. Why that doesn't make sense to you I don't know.

Very telling to me is that the black members of DU and white progressives seem to agree. Centrists and right-wingers seem to be trying to make it a racial issue. That's interesting to say the least.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:23 PM
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41. I have to agree with you
Wright's a good man, but this stuff you've quoted is, at best, wishful thinking and at worst a form of racism in itself. If it were true, there wouldn't be a single black professional in existence, and fortunately there are black astronauts and mathematicians and astonomers and CEO's to disprove this idea. He's entitled to his opinions, but jeebus don't put this stuff out there like you know it's factual.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:30 PM
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43. I don't agree with that statement but I do agree that we are all equal but different.
I also do not believe that the government created aids but is it possible. yes.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:31 PM
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45. Anything is possible, but that doesn't mean you say it in front of the National
Press Club if you have a lick of sense. Is he trying to hurt Obama's campaign?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:32 PM
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46. which statement don't you agree with? n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:47 PM
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53. Actually, it's not possible-- unless the gov't created time travel first
at the time AIDS first appeared, no one on earth knew enough about retroviruses to create one.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #53
89. well
if you want to be really parinoid............nah, but do remember that black americans were basically used as "animal" test subjects in the good ole USA.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:45 PM
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87. Kennedy said it best
This is not related to Wright's statment. J F Kennedy said "do we all have equal talents, no of course not, but we should have equal abilities to develop our talents." Different cultural groups have overlap between talents of course, but they also offer a richness through variety. The USA is more cultural rich than most countries, now if the different cultural groups could just find harmony. Come on people, this chapter of our story should have ended when the constitution was changed and black people being 3/5 of humans in the legal sense was done away with. The USA needs a long adult conversation about race. There is a lot of healing that needs to happen. We all have so much in common, and our differencess are a richness for our country. Let's do away with ideas of superiority and inferiority and celebrate our different cultures until they eventually mix and become one (as I said in an earlier post the process has already begun)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:17 PM
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80. I don't think you've understood what he was getting at, at all.
The truth is, we don't know all the ways culture is transmitted. There is no finite list that you can look up that will run down all the modalities of transmission.

And, there are plenty of right-brain leaning, creative professionals.

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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:54 PM
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56. Please show me where he said there was a GENETIC difference.
Until then, stop putting James Watson's words into his mouth.
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:15 PM
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63. His very last sentence from the quote:
"Why? Because they come from a right-brained creative oral culture like the (griots) in Africa who can go for two or three days as oral repositories of a people's history ..."


culture, culture, culture
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:27 PM
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70. "Because they come from a RIGHT-BRAINED creative oral culture..."
Right-brained is the key word in that particular line. He's making racial points, not cultural ones.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:29 PM
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77. Ok..... so you disagree with Wright's views on differences between people.....
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH OBAMA?


A) Obama is half-black and half-white....raised by his white mother and grandparents. So the racial stereotypes that Wright talks about don't really apply to him. Whether it is culture or genetics...NEITHER applies to Obama


B) Obama HIMSELF has not said these things. Attributing Wright's words and views to Obama is a DIRTY POLITICAL TRICK. Obama should be judged on *HIS* views and words, not on the views and words of everyone he knows and has a relationship with.
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BalancedGoat Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:57 PM
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79. I took that to mean the opposite.
I see the key word in that line to be culture. "Right-brained" is being used as an adjective to highlight characterize some of the differences between two cultures rather than an implication that it is rooted in race. Due to the style and delivery of his speech I think that many of the finer points of what he's talking about are being lost and because of that some people are taking what he's saying to mean something other than what he meant. Janice Hale's work seems focused on cultural differences and as someone who is apparently familiar with her work I doubt Wright would misinterpret a key detail such as cultural differences versus racial differences.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:19 PM
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65. Well it can be true for both races but I think he has a point. There is more a regimental approach..
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 02:20 PM by barack the house
in how white people educate. This is why song and dance is a big part of African culture, it appeals to the creative part of the mind, of course there are creative thinkers in both races but what harnesses blacks people's learning is painting a picture with words as Wright does and rhymatic words as is his style. I say this, as a black person, and I feel he had a point. Not to say there are not those more logical thinking black people, just creative, inspirational learning appeals more.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:22 PM
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83. There are big differences from culture to culture in how kids are handled.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 04:23 PM by sfexpat2000
For example, one of my teachers told me that in her NA culture, small children weren't shushed or spanked. It was not something that was done. One the other hand, in my first husband's tribe, parents were routinely shamed if their babies cried in public.

These are two different styles and practices of handling children and they have consequences for how children learn. And that's just one teeny tiny sliver of difference, no? :)
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:26 PM
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69. thanks
Thanks for the link to the transcript of Reverend Wright's address.

Brilliant speech. What is all of the hoopla at DU about?

The right brain left brain thing is a tempest in a teapot. He was citing scholarly work by others, not pushing his own opinion, and using that to make a larger - and very powerful and valid - point.

Again, what is all of the hoopla about here?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:02 PM
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95. Well, that's a convincing argument for No Child Left Behind
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 06:02 PM by anigbrowl
It's about books! We simply don't have time for things like show and tell, school bands, group activities or other forms of cognitive development. I am, regretfully, too lazy to deconstruct the rest of your argument and demonstrate its flaws. I was educated outside the US is a very academic, book-driven environment and while it has benefits they come with significant costs. A mix of pedagogical styles is better, since the major purpose of education (I believe) is to maximise the opportunities for personal development, as opposed to simply training kids for a limited set of abilities.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:38 PM
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97. So what?
This demonstrates that Wright is not a scientist. So?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 09:01 PM
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98. Is he running for office? Who cares what he says? Why is this in GDP?
It's completely irrelevant.
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