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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:45 PM
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so Hillary jumped with the crowd condemning Wright
She joined the crowd voting to go to war with Iraq, she voted for the Kyle/Lieberman ammendment, or voting for the use of cluster bombs, bankrupcy bills, etc

Where has she demonstrated good judgement?

Perhaps when she said she and mccain were qualified to be president, but not Obama

I think not

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:46 PM
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1. He needs to attack her.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:48 PM
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3. Attack? No, point out her terrible judgement, yes. /nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:49 PM
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5. That's an attack.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:12 PM
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13. "Attack" has a negative connotation.
That's why you keep getting the same kind of responses to that assertion.

He needs to go on the offense, yes... but using actual SUBSTANCE... when you say "attack" people think Wright, Flag Pin, etc.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:13 PM
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15. Ohhhhh I get it now!
Thanks for the explanation! :hi::)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:16 PM
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18. My pleasure of course!
:hi:
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:50 PM
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7. No, outright attack her on her various pro-Republican stands on issues
That is NOT smearing, thats showing the voters what kind of leader she would be.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:47 PM
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2. In all fairness, Wright attacked her, when he attacked the Iraq war
and other government wrong doings, she supported.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:53 PM
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9. Except she attacked him because of the hate America sound bite
I would love someone to point out that Wright provided spiritual council to Bill for lying about monica's BJ
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:49 PM
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4. She's proven to be subject to peer pressure, not to mention ...
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 01:51 PM by LSparkle
pressure from her husband. (If she REALLY didn't approve of NAFTA,
why isn't there more proof of this? It appears that even if she was
against the bill initially, she rolled over and did the Administration's
bidding without too much resistance.) I wonder how well she'll be able
to exercise independent judgment in the face of Bill's support of
globalization (Dubai Ports World deal, Colombia Free Trade bill, etc.).
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:50 PM
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6. She never said she and McCain were qualified to be president.

She said McCain was definitely qualified and that she might be qualified.

That soundbite will not only be used by Republicans if Obama is the nominee. They will even get to use it against her were she the nominee.

Hillary admits McCain is more qualified.
Take Hillary's advice. Vote McCain 2008.



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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:50 PM
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8. One crowd she won't be jumping with...
...the crowd of bigots, to whom she has been pandering, when they start screaming about stories of Hillary being a lesbian.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 01:58 PM
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10. Actually, she started it. Here are statements from her campaign about Wright.
From McAuliffe:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352454,00.html

"HANNITY: That's not a shock to everybody. But here's what I want to — I think Bill and Hillary have made a legitimate claim that Barack Obama for the better part of a year has had almost zero scrutiny. I mean — and then when issues involving Reverend Wright, his "friendly" relationship with a guy that blew up the Pentagon and, et cetera, he's complaining, he is whining. I got to be honest. I think your campaign has a real, legitimate, you know, beef with the media.

MCAULIFFE: Well, listen, there's no question. But you know they ran — all these independent groups have come out and said it has been totally biased against Hillary. This is what I love about Hillary. She is not sitting around complaining. She gets out there and she fights every day. Why did we win Pennsylvania? Senator Obama was the leader.

HANNITY: Yes.

...."HANNITY: No, it's clear everybody wants this to go on. I — because I have less than two minutes. I want to go issue by issue.

The Reverend Wright issue, in your opinion, is a legitimate issue, correct?

MCAULIFFE: I agree with Speaker Gingrich. Anything that's been out in the public is fair game.

HANNITY: All right.

MCAULIFFE: Are you kidding me? Wait until the general election, Sean.

HANNITY: Wait until — yes, well, the Bill Ayers issue which we were on — just like the Wright issue.

MCAULIFFE: Yes.

HANNITY: ...we were on way ahead of anybody. You think that's a legitimate issue?

MCAULIFFE: I think everything is a legitimate issue. Hillary Clinton nothing's ever been taken off the table for her."


From Harold Ickes:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/ickes_confirms_hes_been_pushin.php

"In an interview with me this morning, senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes confirmed that Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a key topic in discussions with uncommitted super-delegates over whether Obama is electable in a general election.

The comments from Ickes, who is Hillary's chief delegate hunter, are to my knowledge the first on-the-record confirmation from a Hillary adviser that the Wright controversy is a subject in conversations between the Hillary campaign and the super-delegates her advisers are trying to win over to Hillary's side.


From Debbie Wasserman Schultz:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1973

"Especially in some of the states that have yet to vote, the Wright affair “is a big vulnerability,” said Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a Clinton superdelegate. And “all of this delegate stuff is artificial,” she added, alongside the reality that the party’s nominee must be able to carry big states like hers, where Mrs. Clinton won a disputed victory; Ohio, where she triumphed last month; and Pennsylvania, where she leads in polls.


In the words of her campaign.





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pingzing58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:05 PM
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11. Blacks from the projects had all the education opportunities given to them but.....
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:11 PM
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12. The woman lacks a moral compass.
She manages to end up on the wrong side of almost every issue.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:13 PM
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14. Judgement is not a talent she has in any abundance
in fact, she seems to be totally devoid of it along with ethics and a few other character traits I could mention.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:14 PM
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16. She stands where she thinks she needs to at the time, which is the antithesis of leadership
and a good reason why she will never be President.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:16 PM
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17. Don't fill your diaper & fling the overflow at Hill just because Wright's causing problems for Obama
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:23 PM
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19. They have to blame someone because you know Obama is perfect
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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:36 PM
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20. What Problem Is Wright Causing For Obama?
Seriously, what did he say that's so bad on Obama?

Or are you just repeating what tele-pundits are saying, and are just too lazy to watch the speech or read the text for yourself?

Go ahead. Explain.

:popcorn:
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