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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 02:48 PM
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The Rainbow Sign



"Wright was among the most liberal of the African-American preachers – he could be all fire and no brimstone. When Obama knocked on Trinity’s door, Wright was in his mid-forties and in the midst of growing his Trinity congregation to its present membership of nearly eight thousand. Burly and light-skinned, Wright is the son of a Baptist minister in Philadelphia. His intellectual sermons sometimes more resemble left-wing political rants than religious preaching. Startling for a preacher, he can be both profane and provocative. ….His sermons frequently denounce Republican politics, and he has called people who voted for George W. Bush ‘stupid.’ ..

"In some ways, Obama and Wright seem a mismatch because of their distinclty different styles. But in other ways, they seem like a perfect fit – an attraction of opposites. In contrast to Obama’s cautious style, Wright is bombastic, rebellious, and, in his own estimation, unafraid to speak truth to power. ….

"Wright remains a maverick among Chicago’s vast assortment of black preachers. He will question Scripture when he feels it forsakes common sense; he is an ardent foe of mandatory school prayer; and he is a staunch advocate for homosexual rights, which is almost unheard of among African-American ministers. Gay and lesbian couples, with hands clasped, can be spotted in Trnity’s pews each Sunday. ….

"…Trnity’s less doctrinal approach to the Bible intrigued and attracted Obama. ‘Faith to him is how he sees the human condition,’ Wright said. ‘Faith to him is not (a) litmus test, mouth-spouting, quoting Scripture. It’s what you do with your life, how you live your life. That’s far more important than beating someone over the head with Scripture that says women shouldn’t wear pants or if you drink, you’re going to hell. That’s just not who Barack is’."
--David Mendell; Obama: From Promise to Power; pages 75-77

By the late summer of 2007, it was clear that the Obama campaign would eventually have to make a distinction between the Senator and his former preacher. If Barack won the democratic nomination, there were segments of the republican party that could be counted on to try to make Rev. Wright’s liberation theology an issue.

What may not have been fully anticipated was that issues of racism would become one of the central themes of the democratic primary. Representatives of the Clinton campaign have been calling "undecided" super delegates, and saying that Barack Obama can not win the 2008 election, mentioning race and Rev. Wright as two reasons that Senator McCain would defeat him.

This and other related issues being brought up by the Clinton campaign resulted in Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) to recently voice concern that there is a potential risk of damage to the party, if the Clinton campaign continues on its reckless course. Rep. Clyburn noted that the black community had supported President Clinton in his time of need. Indeed, Rev. Wright was among those invited to the White House to lend support to Bill Clinton.

This weekend, Rev. Wright was featured in some high profile appearances that have gotten a lot of attention in the media. It is a necessary, if somewhat uncomfortable, process. How will it impact the democratic primary and the fall election? Let’s take a closer look.

We should use the simple model that applies to all elections. There are three groups: {a} those who support you; {b} those who oppose you; and {c} the undecided. In terms of Senator Barack Obama, we will see a couple things in the near future. First, Rev. Wright will create distance between himself and Obama, as he identifies the attacks on him as being attacks on the black church. The larger black community and other progressive and liberal supporters will recognize that the attacks on Obama which use Rev. Wright for what they are. The Clinton campaign must recognize that Rep. Clyburn was speaking the truth.

The young voters who are exposed to Rev. Wright are not going to turn their backs on the Obama campaign. Far from it. It will be somewhat like when the students in Selma invited Malcolm X to speak to them, at the time Martin Luther King, Jr., was in jail. Those in power decided that they were better off dealing with Martin than Malcolm. Today, those in power do not want young folks to hear Rev. Wright speaking about the war in Iraq.

Those opposed to Obama fall into three groups: (1) the Clinton campaign; (2) the republican party; and (3) a portion of the media. One expects the Clinton people to try to use this to pressure undecided super delegates; likewise, their grass roots support will try to use this situation for gain on the internet. The republican party will use it, although their religious right wing must also be kept from hearing Rev. Wright’s entire message. And the media will use it to try to divide the democratic party.

Group C can be looked at as two distinct sub-groups: (1) the undecided voters in the states with primaries; and (2) the undecided super delegates. The attention given to Rev. Wright does have the potential to reduce support in Group C-1. However, if the Obama campaign is able to re-focus attention on the important issues – the war in Iraq and the economy – the public is likely to be able to recognize what is important in their lives.

The super delegates, on the other hand, have already been looking at the Rev. Wright "issue" in terms of its potential consequence in November. They will know that few republican/conservative/racist voters were considering supporting Obama over McCain, but will now change their minds. Rather, their concern will be the damage that Rep. Clyburn spoke of.

There are going to be uncomfortable issues that the democratic party will have to deal with, in order to win in November. And our country is not going to be able to move in the right direction if the democratic party doesn’t make the changes needed to lead the way. But, as Spinoza reminds us, "all noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:12 PM
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1. Ah yes we have to go to the bottom of the pond to find the intelligent threads
amongst all of the hysteria.

Back to the top of the page.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:47 PM
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6. There is a lot
of things being posted by the people from Group B today. I think that we do best to ignore it.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:23 PM
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42. I'm up for a little K&R action too!!!
:hi:

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:05 AM
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60. Not anymore.
:kick:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:16 PM
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2. K&R.
The Obama campaign's ability to focus is part of what distinguishes it from, and makes it less vulnerable to, the old style politics of attack.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:21 PM
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10. Right.
Other forces will attempt to distract Obama, his campaign, and even his supporters on progressive internet sites. We need to keep our eyes on the prize.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:18 PM
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3. Wonderful post, H2O! NT
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:24 PM
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12. Thank you.
Election contests almost always have cycles. The Rev. Wright appearances were done over the weekend and this morning for a purpose. The media has attributed many causes for his public presentations; thus far, they have been coming up with incorrect explanations.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:23 PM
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4. K&R
:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:01 PM
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18. Thank you.
I appreciate your "K&R." There seems to be quite a few Chicken Little threads today, and I am hoping that the Obama supporters will keep threads going that explain that the sky isn't falling .... at least not on our campaign!
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:46 PM
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5. Raw Truth
The fact that race has become an issue in the dem primary is a disappointment of shock and awe potential. I guess it was all right to play the 'you are equal to us' game when the black votes were needed to put Bill in and prop him up. but the real truth becomes evident when the respect the Clintons supposedly had for the AA community becomes less than convenient.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:05 PM
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20. Lennon
Give Me Some Truth

I'm sick and tired of hearing things
from uptight-short sighted - narrow minded hypocrytics,

All I want is the truth,
Just gimme some truth,

I've had enough of reading things
by neurotic - psychotic-pig headed politicians,

All I want is the truth,
Just gimme some truth,

No short haired - yellow bellied
son of tricky dicky,
Is gonna mother hubbard,
Soft soap me,
With just a pocketful of hope,
Money for dope,
Money for rope,

I'm sick to death of seeing things
from tight liped - condecending -
mommies little chauvanists,

All I want is the truth,
just gimme some truth,

I've had enough watching scenes of
schizophrenic - ego - centric - paranoic -
prima - donnas,

All I want is the truth,
Just gimme some truth.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:56 PM
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7. Excellent post H20 Man
:applause:

Allow me to add, even though some racists might leave Obama and vote for McCain, the same can be said of African-Americans, who at one time supported Clinton, will now go for Obama. The migration numbers won't be known for a while, maybe not until the late Summer.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:07 PM
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21. Important point.
Thank you.
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FedoraLV Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:13 PM
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8. k & r/nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:21 PM
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22. Thanks n/t
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FedoraLV Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:13 PM
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9. k & r/nt
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:22 PM
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11. Great Post! K&R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:22 PM
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23. Thank you.
Much appreciated.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:30 PM
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13. Reverend Wright is giving the Democrats an opportunity
to spurn the politics of division which failed so badly that they've been out of power since the 90s.

Wright is giving them an opportunity to truly embrace Dean's 50 state strategy which extends the tent to ALL Americans.

I hope they are wise enough to recognize that.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:25 PM
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24. I agree.
It's curious, isn't it? He was good enough to go to the White House and support President Clinton in his time of need. But look how that gets repaid.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:06 PM
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14.  "all noble things are as difficult as they are rare."
:kick:

K&R

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:34 PM
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27. The full quote:
"If the way which, as I have shown, leads hither seems very difficult, it can nevertheless be found. It must indeed be difficult, since it is so seldom discovered. For if salvation lay ready at hand and could be discovered without great labour, how could it be possible that it remains neglected by so many people? But all noble things are as difficult as they are rare." -- Spinoza
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:04 PM
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34. Thank you for that
Beautiful & profound.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:39 PM
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15. Thank you for bringing sanity back to this forum. K&R n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:38 PM
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28. "Sanity" on this forum!
"Seriously: ...You must believe me, because madmen always tell the truth." -- Che Guevara, 5-26-64
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:43 PM
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16. K&R
Thanks for adding some light.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:46 PM
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30. Thank you.
The media is trying to plant a lot of seeds of fear and doubt today. We need to shine some light on that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:52 AM
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57. Indeed.
Thanks again... and

:kick:

:)
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 05:53 PM
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17. and up you go
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:48 PM
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31. Thanks. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:05 PM
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19. That's called insight.....while some clutch their hands over their heads
crying that the sky is falling.

Thank you for the real post.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:54 PM
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32. The way the media
presents everything for the shock value and to instill a consuming need for instant gratification seems to prevent many people from understanding the campaign cycle. This is about the 4th time in 6 weeks that the media has reported that the Obama campaign is near total collapse The same has been reported on both the Clinton and McCain campaigns. That anyone would fall for this time and again suggests they did not pay close enough attention to the wonderful fable of the boy who cried wolf. If the media is to be believed, by the end of the summer, neither the democrats or republicans will have a candidate.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:26 PM
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25. I don't mind the Republicans ranting about Wright. I expect no better of them.
But when the Hillary camp does it, they're creating wounds in the Democratic Party that may take many years to heal. This is destructive politics at its worst. If Hillary gets the nomination somehow, a lot of black folk are going to--understandably, if not wisely--sit on their hands in November. If Obama gets it, Hillary's anti-Wright campaign will have had its effect and a lot of independents and some Hillheads are gonna sit on their hands. If 5% of the electorate do that in either case, it's gonna be the equivalent of a Nader run, and--combined with Republican Diebolding, disenfranchising and other dastardly deeds, both the Democrats and the world will go down in flames. This whole thing really pisses me off.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:58 PM
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33. Right.
The Clinton campaign threatens to do damage to the democratic party's base .... not only with the black community, but with the younger generation, the anti-war people, and the progressive left. I have become convinced that what Rep. Clyburn is saying presents an accurate picture of what is going on today.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:27 PM
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26. Thank you so very much
for taking the time and effort to write this post. It's the best thing on the subject of Wright I've read by far. What a relief to read something that's not all doom-and-gloom or gloating or not some other type of nonsense. I very very rarely recommend, but I'm rec'ing this post:)

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:08 AM
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50. Thank you.
I appreciate that.

One of the things that DU can provide members is a "course" in political science/campaigns. I think that there are a few DUers -- some backing Senator Clinton, some Senator Obama, and some undecided -- who have the class room/ campaign experience that we could make a segment of GD-P into something of real value.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 06:40 PM
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29. This is the second post today that I really, truly enjoyed. And both
were SO much better than the 'my candidate can beat up your candidate' type. Thanks for this.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:16 AM
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51. At risk of sounding
like a typical "I remember the 'good ole days' DUer," I think that this forum is best when people concentrate on the threads that are more like what always made DU the most interesting and valuable progressive discussion forum on the internet. And that isn'y exclusive to the supporters of any one candidate: although I believe Obama has won the primary contest, there are still some Clinton supporters who post interesting and important OPs and posts on other threads. More, there are people who supported other candidates, like Edwards and Biden, who enrich discussions on what should be important to us as a party.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:17 PM
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35. Thankyou H2O man. Wonderful post.
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 07:25 PM by speedoo
You crystallize some vague thoughts on this issue that have been bouncing around my mind. Things are making much more sense to me now.

I always enjoy your posts, but this one truly stands out.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:41 AM
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54. Thank you.
This is an important time for Obama supporters to be active. If possible, send a donation, even if it is only a few dollars. Make phone calls and write letters/e-mails to the democratic leadership in congress, saying it is time for the party to unite behind Barack Obama. We are very close to the finish line, and it is time to kick into higher gear.
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:19 PM
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36. I was looking forward to read you on the ''preacher'' media event.
Quoting you:''First, Rev. Wright will create distance between himself and Obama, as he identifies the attacks on him as being attacks on the black church. The larger black community and other progressive and liberal supporters will recognize that the attacks on Obama which use Rev. Wright for what they are.''

It's struck me how clever Rev. Wright is, if it is a conscious and deliberate effort to do so.

I love irony...

Hypothetically: Rev. Wright is calling out the medias. He makes them turn their lights and mics towards him. This way, they leave BO do what he has to do in order to go on winning other states ans SD. (At least a couple of days.lol)

On an other level the preacher is also telling the MSM : Throw punches at me all you want... You are doing it to the Black Churches.

Clever.

On a more personal level: This man is speaking up at the right time with the right amount of faith and energy.

(Caricaturing oneself is a skill that has to be practice a long time to be so effective...)

lise


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:43 AM
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55. I like Rev. Wright.
I think it is a shame that a segment of the progressive/liberal community would attack him for political gain in a democratic primary.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 07:46 PM
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37. K&R!
good one.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:45 AM
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56. Thank you.
We need to be using GD-P for lessons in political science. It's not a good sign that the media can get people so upset with their baloney.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:04 PM
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38. I would go to Rev. Wright's church before I'd pray with Hillary's cult
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:31 PM
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39. Wright is right on
I watched his speech to the NAACP last night and wonder why the "media" calls him a liability. It is important that the race issue be dealt with now because across America the discussion needs time to fulminate. I think that sometimes I want to believe that the racism in this country has become less of a factor than it may be, but I think I am deluded. It is better to confront this issue now than to have voters vote Republican because they can't quite pull the lever for Obama because of his race. Dealing with this issue will make him a stronger candidate and personally I hope he ignores the pundits and doesn't throw Reverend Wright under the bus. It seems to me that the powers that be want someone they can control in the White House. Hillary and John would both do their bidding and I think Barack is our best hope for real change.
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budedis Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:21 PM
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41. Wright is indeed right.
I too saw his speech and the Bill Moyers interview. And he makes perfect sense to me. But I agree with you about being deluded. Yesterday I visited my 84 yr old father in the hospital. He and my mother both think Wright is outrageous. Of course they have only seen what is broadcast on FUX NEWS and heard the how-far-can-I-get-my-head-up-my-ass Rush Limbaugh radio show (I have no TV to watch and would rather run my balls through a coffee grinder than listen to Limbaugh.) They really can't understand why anyone would support Obama or Clinton. They cannot get beyond race and what Bill did. Unfortunately, their views are not at all uncommon and they truly have a problem seeing things from someone else's point of view. And it's not because they are old. I know because I have been hearing it for 45+ years.

There is also the so-called conservative religous crowd who have mistakenly linked their personal (and frequently perverted in my opinion) views on morality with what is right and what others should think. They will not get beyond Wright because there is a peculiar undercurrent of racism there as well (the "I'll feed the hungry and casually support civil rights, but don't get too uppity" sort of racism). And even though admitting that Hillary Clinton is brilliant, well Bill is standing behind her and we all know what he did. They also cannot separate their religion from patriotism. There is no context in which saying "God damn America" is OK. So the entire Wright sermon doesn't matter.

I voted for Obama in the North Carolina primary Saturday (no excuse, one-stop early voting) so I can more easily work at a polling place on election day. And I truly hope he is our next President. But you are right, Obama should embrace Wright as a truth teller and take his chances. Otherwise we may get stuck with McCain.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 08:46 PM
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40. Thanks H2O Man
Your common sense and reasoning always puts a smile on my face.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:53 PM
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66. Thank you.
Events from today would suggest that I was correct in the OP.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:28 PM
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43. wonderful post, as always.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 04:53 PM
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67. Thanks! n/t
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:39 PM
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44. Wright Rocks !! Thanks for the post.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 10:51 PM
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45. Thank you!
I will sleep better tonight because of this.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:12 PM
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46. Time to send back up to the top
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mikelewis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:47 PM
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47. I actually think it's fortunate that we are having this discussion among Democrats and not hashing..
...this issue out in the General race. McCain may try and resurrect these issues but the only people these issues would sway would never vote for Obama anyway. At least we are able, among ourselves, to face the race issue head on and come to terms with our national party identity so that when we are battling true hard core institutionalized racism we will be better prepared to not only respond but recognize it and isolate it. This debate is taking place in a sanitized political arena where the gloves have to stay on and no blood is allowed to be spilled... after June, our candidate is going to face the fiercest political machine imperialism has ever created... a movement after the devil's own heart... and there will be deep cuts and blood will flow. McCain is going to use race as an issue... he's a Republican and when he starts to lose, the demons will tell him he has no other choice if he wants to win and he will use race as a weapon... this is a certainty. When he does, we will know how to recognize it, know how talk about it and after watching how Obama and Wright react, we will know how to successfully defend against it. At times I think people simply believe Democrats will win this election simply because this is what is right for our Country but America isn't run by right... it's run by the Right and they aren't going to just let us take over this land. They are going to fight and if they can't win they will cheat and fight dirty... to them, to do so is patriotic... doing whatever it takes, committing any sin, betraying even this nation which they pretend to hold in such high regard; there is no limit to what they will do and this election is not going to be a cakewalk like some believe. The Democratic contender is going to have to be ready to take on this sort of evil as we must also be ready to help him in this fight... or her if Hilary should, through some miracle, achieve the nomination. This Wright issue cuts to the bone but it's a mere taste of what is in store for us when the party of Strom Thurman is unleashed on us. I am viewing this current ruckus as an academic exercise and also am grateful for it in a way in that this petty fight introduced me to a fine pastor and man of God, Reverend Wright.
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:19 AM
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48. H2O MAN
I throughly enjoyed Reverend Wright's "Different is not Deficient" Speech last night. Thanks for getting out Reverend Wright's other beliefs. I am sorry that Senator Obama feels he has to distance himself from Reverend Wright to get elected. He is one preacher I would vote for!

Your post was a refreshing addition to the mess about Reverend Wright. Thank you.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:20 AM
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49. K & R
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:44 AM
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52. K&R! Post of the week. n/t
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:47 AM
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53. Well done...
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:03 AM
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58. K&R A much needed post!
Thanks H2O Man!
I hope everyone will read this & gain some understanding of the situation.
:yourock:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:03 AM
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59. I have zero problems with Wright
I am used to the syle, and not just from black churches but also from white preachers. I've heard with my own ears much stronger condemnations of racisim given directly to white congregations on the subject of their own racism. " If you are a racist, you are going to hell for doing harm to the Christ in his form as the least among us. Jesus says he will not forgive you." Same guy bussed his people 150 miles to worship with African Amreican congregations. He made Wright look like Mr Rogers.
Some of the other religious types Obama has alligned with worry me greatly. Men like Caldwell and McClurkin are the very opposite of a righteous man like Wright. Jeremiah Wright has stood with my community and taken heat for that. Trinity UCC has also always done the right thing in challenging times. I will always stand with Trinity and Wright because of that. Period.
And for what it is worth, I'm in Oregon and most Democratic voters I talk to here agree with me about Wright. They see him as a positive as ministers go. They'd rather not see any church stuff in the campaign, but if we must then Wright style is at least speaking to issues of worth.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:57 AM
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61. Very good analysis. I am glad you posted this. K&R
I mentioned yesterday that this seems like a beautifully choreographed dance by Obama and Rev. Wright and I am yet to see any reason to change my mind on this.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:33 PM
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62. thanks h20 man
i enjoyed dr wright. i think when blacks speak of the past people get defensive. in their minds blacks are going to slay everyone for how they were treated. dr wright talks about reconciliation-not riot and mayhem. he isn't saying kill whitey. he says lets talk about it and stop running from it so we can move on. they did it in south africa-i saw a documentary-i saw the pain and the asking and granting of forgiveness. between blacks/whites and blacks/blacks. how is that hatred or racism. thank you h20 man for some perspective.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:52 PM
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63. Spot-on analysis as usual, H20 Man
I, too, believe Rep. Clyburn's comments are key and the Democratic party would be very wise to heed them, to ignore his warning is to risk the ability of the Democratic Party, not only to re-take the White House but also to hold the seats they currently have in the Senate and the House, never mind add to them, imo.

The Super Delegates have, indeed, already taken into account the "issue" of Rev. Wright, they did that well before this latest flurry of 'hand-wringing' press accounts.

I stayed well away from GD-P yesterday as I knew what the current "cycle" would produce, I regret that only in that I missed your OP and could only now respond and recommend. (I think I can still recommend anyway)

Thanks for the reality check, it was and is sorely needed imo.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:14 PM
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64. Thank you for giving this issue some more perspective
The media tries to make this a big divisive issue -- even my wife is very upset with Rev. Wright for making this thing more visible.

"His sermons frequently denounce Republican politics, and he has called people who voted for George W. Bush ‘stupid.’" Oh, my, how terrible!

From what I've heard of him, I think that he is mostly right on target -- even more than Obama himself. However, as both Wright and Obama have noted, he is not a politician, he doesn't talk like a politician (nor should he), and much of what he has said is capable of stirring up emotions, and can be dangerous to a political campaign.

On the one hand, therefore I wish that he would just go away until after Election Day. But on the other hand, how this affects Obama's campaign will largely be dependent upon how well Obama handles it. Thus far he has handled it wonderfully, which is why -- miraculously -- it hasn't much affected his standings in the polls:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#polls
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:26 PM
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65. A big KR for the intelligent down to earth analysis
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