for all you that think Hill is more electable because of 1 poll

[gabeana]

Electoral-Vote now has a map color-coded for which candidate does better against McCain.
Clinton does better than Obama in 6 states totalling 92 electoral votes.

Obama does better than Clinton in 15 states totalling 164 electoral votes

dailykos.com

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

[Deep13]

1. There's a lot of concern around here about what HC supporters think.

One might even suppose that it mattered.

[MADem]

14. The suppression efforts are interesting. A bit unseemly, certainly not

in the HOPE CHANGE BELIEVE tradition, either. I don't think Obama would approve of much of it, actually.

I'm upbeat as all get-out, though. I think Clinton is doing well. Still, she rises, despite all of the crap flung at her. What strength, and stamina!

[Deep13]

15. Well, hope, change and (*gag*) believe is for the masses.

Campaign tactics are another matter. I think he not only approves of the smear campaign but is directing it. When all these people all over the internet are repeating the same things over and over, it is pretty clear they are reading from the same script.

[MADem]

16. It's not working, though. It's flopsweat desperate. In fact, every time I see the Team Obama

deviate from the HOPE CHANGE BELIEVE/YES WE CAN themes--and they are doing that CONSTANTLY, of late--I find it invigorating.

I think that Axlerod guy isn't as swift as some give think. This kind of crap backfires, particularly when the campaign cornerstone is anything and everthing other than "politics as usual." Rovian tactics don't work well against that "New Day, New Politics" backdrop. Cognitive dissonance takes over.

[leftofcool]

2. Is Obama going to take all 15 of those states in the GE?

I don't think so

[gabeana]

3. I doubt texas and probably nebraska but in the

others I think yes

do you think Hillary wins WV. KY, and Florida
I doubt it

[rinsd]

5. He is losing PA, OH, FL, WV, & MO according to that map. While Hillary is winning those states.

[Deep13]

7. Yeah, that's kinda how I see it too.

National trends are meaningless if ones supporters are in the wrong states.

[rinsd]

4. Who cares about "does better" when they lose that state.

Based on that map.

Hillary wins in PA, FL, OH, WV & MO while he loses. The election is over right there.

Obama wins CO & MI while Hillary loses there. He also wins WI while Hillary ties.

[Milo_Bloom]

6. Clinton wins Florida.. LMAO!!!

Not a chance.

[Deep13]

8. Well, she seems to be the only D. who gives a shit about them right now.

And LMAO is not an argument.

[Milo_Bloom]

9. LMAO is a reaction to a silly statement.

Clinton doesn't care any more about florida than anyone else.

However, she has absolutely 0 chance of winning it. Florida will go for McCain no matter who the dem is.

[Deep13]

10. prove it.

If it is a silly statement, the evidence must be at your fingertips. Otherwise, you are denigrating another D. (I mean the poster, not HC) for no reason but to shut that person up. And you people wonder why we are pissed off enough to swear off Obama in the GE.

PS How the hell do you know what she cares about?

[Milo_Bloom]

12. She voted for the war.

Thus, I know she cares for nothing but her own political future.


This poster is taking a poll from a 3 way contest and extrapolating it into a 2 way contest, which gives the poll about as much validity as reading tea-leaves.

[rinsd]

11. The OP is the one who brought up the source. Take it up with them.

Hillary has held her own vs. McCain in FL

Poll	       Date	   Sample   McCain (R)  Clinton (D)  Und  Spread
RCP Average	03/15 - 04/10	-	44.3	44.0	9.7	McCain +0.3
Rasmussen	04/10 - 04/10	500 LV	44	45	11	Clinton +1.0
Quinnipiac	03/24 - 03/31	1136 RV	42	44	8	Clinton +2.0
PPP (D)	        03/15 - 03/16	618 LV	47	43	10	McCain +4.0
Rasmussen	03/12 - 03/12	500 LV	47	40	13	McCain +7.0
SurveyUSA	02/26 - 02/28	633 RV	42	51	7	Clinton +9.0
Mason-Dixon	02/21 - 02/24	625 RV	49	40	11	McCain +9.0
Rasmussen	02/16 - 02/16	500 LV	49	43	8	McCain +6.0
Quinnipiac	02/06 - 02/12	1009 LV	44	42	9	McCain +2.0
Quinnipiac	11/26 - 12/03	1124 RV	40	47	13	Clinton +7.0
St. Pete Times	11/04 - 11/07	800 RV	48	47	6	McCain +1.0
SurveyUSA	10/24 - 10/24	511 RV	46	49	5	Clinton +3.0
Quinnipiac	10/17 - 10/22	1025 RV	43	44	6	Clinton +1.0
Quinnipiac	10/01 - 10/08	869 RV	42	46	6	Clinton +4.0
Quinnipiac	09/03 - 09/09	1141 RV	40	45	9	Clinton +5.0
Rasmussen	08/09 - 08/09	500 LV	38	52	2	Clinton +14.0 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_clinton-417.html

Especially compared to Obama

Poll	     Date	   Sample  McCain (R)  Obama (D)  Und  Spread
RCP Average	03/15 - 04/10	-	49.7	38.0	9.7	McCain +11.7
Rasmussen	04/10 - 04/10	500 LV	53	38	9	McCain +15.0
Quinnipiac	03/24 - 03/31	1136 RV	46	37	9	McCain +9.0
PPP (D)	        03/15 - 03/16	618 LV	50	39	11	McCain +11.0
Rasmussen	03/12 - 03/12	500 LV	47	43	10	McCain +4.0
SurveyUSA	02/26 - 02/28	632 RV	47	45	8	McCain +2.0
Mason-Dixon	02/21 - 02/24	625 RV	47	37	16	McCain +10.0
Rasmussen	02/16 - 02/16	500 LV	53	37	10	McCain +16.0
Quinnipiac	02/06 - 02/12	1009 LV	41	39	12	McCain +2.0
St. Pete Times	11/04 - 11/07	800 RV	47	45	9	McCain +2.0
Quinnipiac	10/17 - 10/22	1025 RV	42	42	9	Tie
Quinnipiac	10/01 - 10/08	869 RV	41	39	11	McCain +2.0
Quinnipiac	09/03 - 09/09	1141 RV	42	39	11	McCain +3.0 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/fl/florida_mccain_vs_obama-418.html

[Milo_Bloom]

13. *SIGH*

And for your proof you offer polls that are all over the place?

And worse, you try to turn a 3 way contest into a 2 way contest.


Man, people have gone completely silly these days.