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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:38 PM
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Math help! If we had "winner take all" primaries, would someone have sealed the deal?
As the expression goes.

I'm sure someone has done the math. Sorry I'm too lazy to look for it.

I think that the "winner takes all" concept isn't as representational as proportional representation, but just hypothetically speaking, couldn't it explain why McCain "sealed the deal" and we haven't?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:40 PM
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1. I think the Clinton campaign has already said, that if it was, they would have already
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 03:41 PM by jsamuel
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:42 PM
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3. That's disingenuous of them to say, at best.
They can't apply that argument because it assumes that Obama would have run the same campaign. She's merely extrapolating her results from the current race and ignoring the fact that Obama's 50 state strategy was suited to a proportional system.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:47 PM
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7. she took NH but wouldn't have been able to take it on Super Tuesday
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 03:48 PM by Skink
unless the media could have done for her what they did for Kerry in the early part of the campaign.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:54 PM
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11. That is correct
"What if"s are tricky.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:40 PM
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2. Well, of course...
The proportional system has drawn this out, but it has in a lot of ways been beneficial to our system. People are getting involved in the political process like never before because they actually feel they have a voice, that their votes count for something. It's just not a system suited to the likes of Hillary Clinton, who ran a "winner-take-all" campaign and is paying the price. If this had been a WTA election, Obama would have run a vastly different campaign strategy. But he didn't. He and his people understood what it was going to take to pull this off and have been winning accordingly.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:44 PM
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4. yep Hillary
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:49 PM
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8. Can you provide a logical argument to support that conjecture?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:44 PM
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5. Obama would be winning. Here's Why:
His campaign would have taken a different approach. So would hers. When she would have ended up losing, she would be saying "If we had a system that was based on the Congressional districts, I'd be winning." It's quite easy to see she would be doing this and that she would be running a failure of a campaign that way as well.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 03:44 PM
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6. Both campaigns would have been run differently if they were winner-take-all..... so no one can ever
know....

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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:03 PM
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9. I dont understand why they left in the delegates from FL & MI.
What they should have done when they decided not to count the delegates from Florida & Michigan was to take their delegates out of the mix. It would have ended this already, although I like the idea of the new voters registering in the last few primaries.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 04:08 PM
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10. Obama sealed the deal in February.
He won 11 straight contests, where he built up the delegate lead that Hillary Clinton has been unable to make a dent in.

It's over. The only possibility HRC has of getting the nomination is to convince the superdelegates that Obama is unelectable, and she's running out of time (and states) to make that case.

The deal is sealed. Don't let Hillary Clinton's continued kamikaze campaign fool you. It's over.
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