Elizabeth Edwards supports Clinton, lobbying for Sen. Edwards to endorse Hillary

[jackson_dem]

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As the Democratic candidates and their surrogates traipse through North Carolina in the final days before its primary, some people here are wondering: Why so quiet in Chapel Hill?



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Mrs. Clinton’s supporters, in particular, are anxious for the Edwardses to speak up about who they support. Senator Obama has held a significant lead in the polls here for months, and Clinton supporters are hoping that an Edwards endorsement would narrow the race and bolster Mrs. Clinton’s chances at a crucial moment.



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On the other hand, Mrs. Edwards, her husband’s closest and most trusted adviser, has made it clear that she favors Mrs. Clinton; aides said she has recently tried to persuade Mr. Edwards to do the same.

Even if he remains neutral, her endorsement would carry weight, some voters suggested



This is interesting because early reports were that she was no fan of Hillary. She must have concluded like many of us have that Obama is unelectable and that Hillary is our only shot at keeping McSame out of the White House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/28cnd-campaign.html?ex=1367121600&en=77a5b314a1935632&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[anonymous171]

1. Endorse Hillary and they will prove that they were phonies after all.

[jsamuel]

3. Funny coming the day after Elizabeth blasts the media and Obama goes on Fox News

Third top rec'd thread from yesterday: Elizabeth Edwards Speaks Truth To The Press

[anonymous171]

5. Hillary lives on Fox News.

[Egnever]

11. blasts the media?

[guyanakoolaid]

18. You have quite a way of saying absolutely nothing at all.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

96. NYT 3 hours ago "Or Mr. Edwards will endorse Mr. Obama and Mrs. Edwards will endorse Mrs. Clinton"

There are no direct quotes, "The rumor on the street..." or "Edwards has hinted"...and "One former aide said..."

As North Carolina Primary Looms, Eyes on Edwards

By JULIE BOSMAN April 29, 2008

WILMINGTON, N.C. — What will the Edwardses do?

...Theories abound: They’ll endorse before the primary. Or after there is a nominee. Or Mr. Edwards will endorse Mr. Obama and Mrs. Edwards will endorse Mrs. Clinton. Or none of the above.

“People talk about it all the time,” said Alina Szmant, a professor at the University of North Carolina-Wilmington, a little bit conspiratorially. “The rumor on the street is that he’s holding out for a V.P. position.”

...But except for an opinion article by Mrs. Edwards in The New York Times on Sunday, which criticized the news media’s coverage of the primary campaigns (and gave no hint of where she is leaning), the Edwardses have been staying out of the race. And this week,
the family planned to decamp for Disney World, away from the campaign events grabbing headlines throughout the state.

Mr. Edwards has hinted to friends that he will not offer an endorsement before the North Carolina and Indiana primaries on May 6.

One former aide said that Mr. Edwards is angling for a role in a Democratic administration, and with the contest still undecided, he is hesitant to commit to a candidate.

“He doesn’t want to pick the loser,” the aide said.

...more at the link

[Elidor]

126. “He doesn’t want to pick the loser,” the aide said.

Suddenly, I'm not sorry at all that he dropped out.

[Catchawave]

99. That was a great diary j,

It also made several appearances on DU, fabulous editorial :hi:

[Egnever]

8. its clearer every day

this sneaking arround in the background makes me want to spew.

[libbygurl]

109. Here's a bucket for ya. I just dumped the Kool-Aid earlier.

[truebrit71]

12. No shit. Billary is the antithesis of what JRE proclaimed to be...

...if he endorses that corporate shitbag that will be the last time I listen to a word he says...

[DaLittle Kitty]

72. ABSO;UTELY TRUE! Johnny Just KEEp Yer Mouth SHUT! You Will Be The WINNER In The Long Run If Ya Do!

:think:

[Two Americas]

92. hey there

Where have you been DaLittle Kitty? Missed you.

[cali]

106. the winner of what?

Not that I think it matters much who he endorses.

[guyanakoolaid]

14. Yep. It's too soon to forget Edwards railing against Clinton in debate, claiming he and Obama were

the agents of change being attacked by her old-school politics. Everything I've read is that Elizabeth edawards doesn't particularly like Hillary Clinton. I just don't see how this story is possible. If it is, it greatly tarnishes Edwards, and let's face it - Obama has won this thing and Edwards wants a seat at his table.

[jackson_dem]

36. It is not too soon to forget politics

The story is possible if she thinks Obama is unelectable. An increasing number of people are concluding that.

It is not too soon to forget politics. Trailing candidates always focus on the front runner. When Obama took the lead he divided his criticisms between Obama and Clinton. Only the "netroots" thought it was because of some personal animus toward Clinton. The "netroots" apparently is unaware of every other primary battle in history, including the 08' rethugs. The leader is always the target. Did everyone suddenly start to love Giuliani on the rethug side after he began losing? If Biden was the front runner both Obama and Edwards would have focused their attacks on him. Only on the "netroots" is their a rabid, irrational, robotic hatred of all things Clinton.

[guyanakoolaid]

46. Unfortunately in reality exponentially more donors and supporters are fleeing Clinton's sinking ship

"An increasing number of people" is a bit disingenuous, don't you think? Are you seriously claiming more people are jumping from Obama to Clinton than from Clinton to Obama? Or is it you are aware of the reality but frame your argument in terms which bolster your candidate?

[jackson_dem]

54. Obama's coalition is shrinking, Clinton's is by default expanding

This isn't based on just words but a look at exit poll data from Iowa to Pennsylvania and breaking it down on racial, class, and even partisan lines (Obama's once awesome 2:1 lead among indies and 3:1 lead among rethugs has evaporated). I am still sifting through it but when I finish I will post it. The primaries can be divided into three phases.

Phase 1: Iowa to Super Tuesday. This was a time of relative parity between Clinton and Obama.
Phase 2: The famous 11-0 period from 2/9 to Wisconsin. Obama's coalition was expanding and he was beginning to take on the traits of a strong front runner (winning across all kinds of demographic lines). He even won the white vote in Wisconsin and Virginia, two of the only six primaries in which he has done so (one was Illinois where he got 59%). In the other 19 we have exit poll data for he lost them. He won women. He ran up the score with latte liberals.
Phase 3: The vetting process finally began a year after Obama began running for president as the MSM found themselves perhaps feeling guilty over their negligence. Since then the wheels are coming off and Obama's coalition has shrunk. He is heading to defeats in Indiana and blowouts in West Virginia and Kentucky. He may even lose Oregon, despite have a strong base of latte liberals in Portland.

[guyanakoolaid]

68. Nice right-wing spin - you even managed to work in "latte liberals"

You write of the M$M feeling guilty over their negligence in going after Obama. You are right in that regard. They almost let a black man run for office without making a big deal about trivial race issues and associations. But don't worry, Hillary is standing right there along side them, yelling "scary black preacher" in the ear of any superdelegate who'll listen.

Yet even with cheap Republican tactics like these, Obama's numbers have not gone down, nor has his number of supporters. I'm dying to see your "report". You may have one or two people who claim they were Obama supporters but have "switched" to Hillary, but am I to ignore the numerous threads I see day after day on DU talking about the huge influx of former Clinton supporters to the Obama campaign?

[jackson_dem]

120. Vetting potential presidents is a fundamental job of the MSM

It happened to every other major candidate this year and happens every four years. Obama got away with it for a year only because the MSM has a crush on him.

I am not talking about a handful of wealthy donors. I am talking about voters. A decreasing number of voters pull the lever for Obama as folks learn more about him. In case you didn't notice, he lost PA by over 200,000 votes. He has lost by over 600,000 votes since he began taking some light hits at the end of February. His coalition is shrinking across racial, class, and even partisan lines (RIP his former vaunted 2:1 advantage among indies and 3:1 advantage among rethugs). It is time to kick back, relax and watch the Obama coalition further unravel.

[guyanakoolaid]

127. It only unravels to allow in all of the former Clinton supporters who are flocking to him

rather than remaining pent up in a tight desperate clinging of hope that their one last racist Wright argument is enough to sway superdelegates.

You know if that happened it would split the party in two. Maybe that's best, I've about had it with mixing Republican with our Democrat.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

98. 70 top Clinton donors defected to Obama in March

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5713085#5713385

[jackson_dem]

119. So no hard data to explain how he went from 11-0 to lose OH, TX, and PA?

I am not surprised. It is very obvious his coalition is shrinking. There aren't any data points you can cherry pick to argue otherwise. When voters go into the voting booth a decreasing number support Obama and this is happening across the board. :thumbsup:

[JackORoses]

125. of course ther is hard data, it's called demographics

Obama's coalition is strong as you will shortly see.

And you know that he won in Texas. I know it really burns you up to admit that.

[sunnystarr]

138. and how did she win TX? Check the delegate totals ..

she DID NOT WIN TX!! This is a race for delegates ... nothing more nothing less ... in spite of what Clinton would like to spin it to be.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

102. NC State Majority Leader: Obama could run naked - 29 lawmakers endorse

I've mentally filed this under "things I would really like to see".....

Rand: Obama could run naked

Posted by Mark Binker on April 22, 2008

A group of 29 legislators came out to endorse Barack Obama today. Among the locals on the list were Reps. Alma Adams and Pricey Harrison along with Sen. Katie Dorsett.

However, the heavy hitters on the agenda were Rep. Dan Blue, a one-time U.S. Senate candidate and very well respected committee chairman in the House, and Sen. Tony Rand, the Senate majority leader all around power broker in the Senate.

Two points about Rand's speech today: It sounded a little un-Rand-like. Rand is known for his home-spun colloquy that borders on the elegant at times. I asked him if the words were his own. He acknowledged that the campaign had written part of it, which I think is pretty standard operating procedure for these kinds of announcements.

However, after the newser when he was just fielding questions, Rand delivered some very Rand-like lines. The best, by far, came in response to a question about the flag-pin and Rev. Wright controversies and whether they would hurt Obama in Rand's district, which includes Ft. Bragg.

"I think that so shallow. I don't think the people of my district are going to fall for that kind of stuff ... It's what you stand for and where you are. I hope we will focus on jobs, on doing something about the dependence on energy, I hope we'll look at what we can do to resolve the problems of the Middle East and get out of there. If we can do those things, you know, he could walk around naked as far as I'm concerned and it would be fine."

...more at the link including the list of NC State lawmakers endorsing Obama

[rodeodance]

52. so, you push them under the bus if they do so. what a bunch of crap!

[PoliticalAmazon]

66. If Edwards endorses Hillary, I will be glad he had to leave the race...

...because, IMO, he does not have the judgment necessary to run the country.

[Mezzo]

83. and since OBama shares a ninety five per cent voting record with Hillary, clearly BO can't either.

[Mezzo]

81. oh, bullshit.

[paulk]

122. yup

under the bus she goes.

if you don't support the chosen one, you are a "phony".

[LulaMay]

129. Wow, PHONIES? no empathy in you, is there? She wants univ health care. She is dying of cancer.

[Texas Hill Country]

140. ummm... i am gonna have to disagree with you on that one....

[zulchzulu]

151. Bingo....

If John and Elizabeth Edwards endorse Hillary Clinton, then their message throughout their campaign is vapor.

I doubt John wants to be on the losing side.

[Egnever]

these two have no balls

They talk a mean game like they are willing to fight but when it comes down to it they are timid and inefectual.

If she wants to endorse do it dont hide behind the shadows and wait till its safe to do so. They have absolutely no guts.

[Captain Hilts]

20. Charming sexist expression! nt

[Egnever]

33. WAAAAA!

[libbygurl]

108. Charming tantrumy expression!

[SoxFan]

161. OK, they have "testicular fortitude"

Better?

[11 Bravo]

Elizabeth does, in fact, lack testicles. But she has more guts in her little finger ...

than you are ever likely to display. Unlike you, she directs her anger towards those most deserving of it. You know ... Republicans?

[Egnever]

32. when? The soap box is hers to take

now is the time. Or will she be like hillary and speak only when its time to take down another dem?

[11 Bravo]

50. And she will ascend it on her schedule, not that of an anonymous internet nobody.

She has placed herself in the arena, and spoken out forcefully against the abuses of this administration as well as the misfeasance of the corporate media. You, on the other hand, post from the safety of your home, and demonstrate nothing more than an appalling lack of understanding of the rules of punctuation and capitalization.

[Divine Discontent]

28. OH PLEASE!

what a moronic attack! you take those snipped up comments for fact? Elizabeth Edwards has 1000 times the guts you have. Back off.

[Egnever]

37. Oh?

can you show me one example of it?

[Divine Discontent]

64. because you read some Hillary supporters twisted post

you state they have no balls along with your other anti-Edwards thoughts you had from before he left the race rather respectfully. If Obama was in Hillary's shoes exactly, would you be throwing a fit like the Clinton crowd that she still has a chance?

[brentspeak]

88. ...

The article is only reporting a rumor. Further, no one is under any obligation to support any particular candidate.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. I don't think Edwards is going to back the loser, Clinton

he's going to keep his options open.

[xxqqqzme]

4. I thought she was smarter than that.

Clinton certainly is no supporter of the issues Edwards raised during his campaign. The dlc could care less about the poor or disenfranchised. Hillary is no fan of the grassroots either.

[beachmom]

16. Which is why a public official's RECORD is the most important data point

to check when deciding who to back. None of this is all that surprising when one delves into JRE's Senate record, which was centrist, and had little to back up his '08 rhetoric. Russ Feingold tried to warn folks, you know ....

[jackson_dem]

19. She is. She also isn't blinded by emotion like the "netroots" is

No one cares about the "DLC" label outside of the "netroots". She knows Obama and Clinton are close on the issues, except health care which she cares deeply about. She also probably knows only Clinton can prevent a McSame presidency. Why would she endorse Obama and help lead to a McSame presidency by doing so?

[juajen]

6. I love the Edwards family, and whatever they decide, I know it will

be a decision made with their heart. I really miss them. I know he doesn't want a VP slot, but how about Elizabeth. Ya think we could do a two-female candidacy. Wouldn't that be a riot? How wonderful the White House would be with the Clintons and the Edwards. Gee, be still my heart.

[berni_mccoy]

7. You guys do realize she reads DU and is probably reading this thread

I'm sure she'd be surprised to hear DUers speaking on her behalf.

[kimmerspixelated]

48. That's right!

She might have to speak up. Does she use her own name? Or,....who is she? DU name-wise-anyone know?

[berni_mccoy]

85. She's previously posted here under ElizabethEdwards. I do not know if she has taken a different

username or not.

[tekisui]

9. Shows you where John is.

If he agreed with his wife, she wouldn't have to lobby him.

[redqueen]

35. Good point. (nt)

[RiverStone]

60. If John endorsed Hillary - it would be counter intuitive to most of what he campaigned about...

In fact, I'd be sad to see him as just another political opportunist.

I don't think John should endorse anyone -staying true to form- until our nominee is known

[Andy823]

86. I agree.

I could be wrong, but I just can't see him backing Clinton, she is the opposite of what he ran on. It would be his choice, but I would really feel let down if he did!

[11 Bravo]

10. If this is true, wait for the EE trashing to begin. It promises to be noxious.

[berni_mccoy]

13. "Why don't you just stand there and look pretty John" - Mrs. Clinton to Sen. Edwards on the Floor

of the Senate.

[jbnow]

116. I was going to ask if you were kidding because that's nastier

than I thought she's been as a Senator. I only knew of two times she was publicly rude to a Senator and that was to Obama after he announced his exploratory committee and to Russ Feingold in a debate on campaign finance reform http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=83
Feingold's remarks rubbed US Sen. Hillary Clinton the wrong way. "Russ, live in the real world," yelled Clinton

Taking a quick look this must be what you mean, from 2004
http://origin.observer.com/node/49479?observer_most_read_tabs_tab=2
like Hillary Clinton did one day in the Senate, when Mr. Edwards rose to ask a question while she had the floor. "John," she reportedly said, "stick to what you do best: stand there and look pretty."

This article just goes as far as saying she "reportedly" said it. I was going to look more before I believed it and then I wondered why I'd bother fact checking anymore.
She has displayed her character more than enough during this campaign. That is not meant in a positive sense.

[CTLawGuy]

137. wow

now THERE'S a person I want talking to world leaders...


oh wait this is just Hillary being "tough".

[ecstatic]

156. That is truly nasty and unprofessional

How could EE consider her after that?

[NJSecularist]

15. Elizabeth is coming to the conclusion that Obama is unelectable...

... like the rest of the country is slowly realizing.

If only the rest of our party was as smart as Elizabeth Edwards... it's absurd that Obama keeps getting endorsements despite being more unelectable by the day.

[MadBadger]

23. Okay Jack

[libbygurl]

111. LOL!

[Divine Discontent]

31. "If only the rest of our party was as smart as Elizabeth"

so when you find out that she's for Obama, you gonna agree!?

[cd3dem]

43. It is because we are getting to finally know who he is!

BO starting running as a new and fresh candidate... a DC outsider.. who said he would not run again if not elected in 2008... why? b/c now we do not know who he is and he can convince people he is the great "Uniter" and the great "Change" agent! but as we find out who Obama is, we are not so sure he is the one.... It is pretty scary to think people would actually vote for McCain over any democrat, but if we are truly interested in winning in November, we better stop telling ourselves every fact we learn about Obama "just doesn't matter!"

[karynnj]

63. Do you think that HRC is electable?

Her negatives make that highly unlikely. Those negatives are also hard won - and include many people who were predisposed to like her.

[zulchzulu]

152. So "unelectable" means you're leading by 30-14 and have the most delegates...

HIllary lost. Obama will be the nominee.... and the next President of the United States...

[mcctatas]

17. More selective snipping from you....

From the same piece:
Many of Mr. Edwards’s North Carolina supporters have been quietly pressing him to endorse Mr. Obama, and a large group of them, led by Ed Turlington, his former national general campaign chairman, came forward publicly last week to support Mr. Obama.

On the other hand, Mrs. Edwards, her husband’s closest and most trusted adviser, has made it clear that she favors Mrs. Clinton; aides said she has recently tried to persuade Mr. Edwards to do the same.
*************************************************************************************************************************************

You are becoming rather predictable....
:eyes:

[sniffa]

24. And more

One former aide said that Mr. Edwards is angling for a role in a Democratic administration, and with the contest still undecided, he is hesitant to commit to a candidate.

“He doesn’t want to pick the loser,” the aide said.

[jackson_dem]

38. Ed Turlington is Elizabeth Edwards?

Does Turlington have a big following on DU like Elizabeth Edwards does, or at least did before many former Edwards supporters drank the red stuff?

Your inability to think logically is also predictable. The OP is about her, not some hack no one has heard of.

[mcctatas]

103. ahhh....

but the article itself is titled: As North Carolina Primary Looms, Eyes on Edwards

it does not conclude that either Edwards will endorse anyone. And as for "some hack no one has heard of "“I read in the Raleigh paper that Elizabeth likes Hillary’s health care plan, so we know who she’s for,” said Judy Campbell, of Wilmington. **snip**

Who the hell is Judy Campbell of Wilmington?

As for thinking logically, I like to base my conclusions on the entirety of an article, not just carefully cherry picked quotations that support your meme of the day.

Elizabeth Edwards is a smart woman, able to endorse whomever she chooses, and I will not respect or admire her any less....

[Divine Discontent]

21. what a mess...

but what is more disgusting is how easily led SOME sheeple are, in regards to the Wright situation. This then, ultimately, is what it's always going to come down to for black people - their churches, which are OFTEN fiery, are going to be used against them for their church's disgust about the treatment of the black man - and therefore, some, but perhaps enough, who knows, people are going to be so turned off by their righteous anger, that they'll never vote for a black man. Senator Obama is a great uniter, and NO ONE can say that he's been more negative than Hillary and Bill, with a straight face!

I am in shock IF she is supportive of Hillary. I cannot imagine her swaying John on this, his words at the debates were FAR too harsh towards Hillary for him to outright endorse her - so I'm not worried about that.

[redqueen]

22. He called her campaign "the forces of the status quo"

"I didn't hear these kinds of attacks from Senator Clinton when she was ahead," Edwards said. "Every time he speaks out for change, every time I fight for change, the forces of status quo are going to attack -- every single time."

And then there's also this...

"I think that voters have to ask themselves is: do you believe that the candidate who's raised the most money from Washington lobbyists, Democrat or Republican, the candidate who's raised the most money from the health industry, drug companies, health insurance companies, the candidate who's raised the most money from the defence industry, Republican or Democrat - and the answer to all of those questions is: that's Senator Clinton. Will she be the person who brings about the change in this country? You know, I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy. But I don't think that's going to happen. I really don't. I think that if people want the status quo, Senator Clinton is your candidate." -- John Edwards

[jackson_dem]

41. He also reportedly thinks Obama is unelectable

Which means the choice is not Obama vs. Clinton but McSame vs. Clinton.

[redqueen]

44. Reportedly?

Quote? Link? Source? Anything?

[jackson_dem]

58. He also reportedly thinks Obama is not ready to be president

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4546407

[redqueen]

59. Heresay. Yup, that's what I thought. (nt)

[jackson_dem]

61. Absent a statement from him this is all we have

There is a reason he hasn't endorsed Clinton, and as you love to point out, he seemed to prefer Obama on the issues. What is holding him back?

[redqueen]

70. No idea. But we have his statements about Clinton, don't we? (nt)

[Spider Jerusalem]

89. 11 February?

Lot of campaigning under the bridge since then, and I wouldn't be surprised if his position has changed in those nearly three months.

[monmouth]

25. If that's true, I'm very disappointed in Mrs. Edwards. Hope it isn't

the "femnism", we "girls" need to stick together crap......sigh..

[indimuse]

26. Great post!

Thanks. K&R!

[Andy823]

27. More Rumors.

How many times have we heard this same BS over the last few months? Elizabeth Edwards said she liked her health plan better, that was it. That does not mean she is supporting Hillary. This really getting lame. If she comes out and supports her in public, it is her choice, until then I don't believe any of it. Same with John Edwards. If he does, then it's his choice, I will disagree with him, and I was one of his supporters, but it's still his choice. Again until he does I won't listen to the BS!

[book_worm]

29. So what? won't help in NC where when he was a candidate he was running third

[flpoljunkie]

30. Perhaps Edwards hard Schumer say universal healthcare was DOA. Obama's plan can get us in the door.

That's why he chose not to make health care mandatory, as it will not sell with the American people, or in Congress. Perhaps Edwards does understand that.

We will have to demand Congress provide universal health care--no matter who is elected. But, I think it is significant that Hillary's fellow senator Schumer came out last week and said there was no way to get universal health care passed in Congress.

[karynnj]

74. Which is why we will need to fight the Shumers in the Democratic party

If there is to be a health care plan that reforms the mess we have and which starts to bring costs down - it will be written by people like Kennedy and Kerry - who will then need to get Republican help as Kennedy did to turn a joint bill they had into a significantly different bill (S-CHIP) that had the same intent and used the same funding mechanism. One concept that likely could pass is the creation of re-insurance for catastrophic costs - a Kerry idea. It had significant support in the medical community, consumer groups and even the big three auto makers.

Schumer is clearly reluctant to support any healthcare bill - though if a reasonable one is written, I assume that with pressure from the netroots and many Democratic groups, Schumer will have to vote for it.

[Triana]

34. Elizabeth likes Hillary's healthcare plan. And, I don't think they ought to endorse anyone

Either of them.

[rodeodance]

51. She does approve of the health plan.

[stranger_with_candy]

39. Very Disappointing

If it's even true.

[wisteria]

40. Any Edward's endorsment doesn't move me- frankly I don't care who EE backs. n/t

[newmajority]

42. The reason there are "two americas" (as John Edwards whole campaign was based on"

Is because 28 years of BushClinton corporatist reverse robin hood bullshit created that fucked up class system BY DESIGN.

If Edwards was to endorse the Clintons, he would be a liar.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, for now, and say that he's smarter than that.

Please don't prove me wrong, John. :evilfrown:

[jackson_dem]

47. the 90's were a time of progress for working folks

Speaking of working folks, did you know that not only did Bill Clinton carry working folks by a big margin he even won the white working class (Mondale won 35%, Dukakis slightly more)? This goes back to the OP. Obama is unelectable and Elizabeth is smart and savvy enough to realize it.

[durrrty libby]

45. K & R for Elizabeth and for the endorsement of NC's Governor

:party: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[jackson_dem]

49. For anyone who doubts whether "it" is a cult just read this thread

Jesus himself could endorse Clinton and be savaged by Obamites.

[redqueen]

57. Oh PLEASE with the drama!

:rofl:

Show me... where on this thread is this "savaging" you speak of.

[sniffa]

113. Oh, you know it's coming

[beachmom]

73. No, some of us saw through them A LONG TIME AGO. Well before

I supported Obama.

[Catchawave]

95. How sad.

Why I left "beach" politics.

[Spider Jerusalem]

93. Ha.

That's funny.

Clintonites strike me as more cult-like, to be perfectly honest. I've seen Hillary referred to as 'the goddess of peace' and compared to Jeanne d'Arc. Which is just totally over-the-top insanity. And the die-hard, bitter-end support for a losing candidate who is, let's be honest here, actively disliked by not only roughly half of Americans in general, and by probably about half of her own partly in particular, is a bit perplexing; you keep saying 'Obama is unelectable', as though it will become a fact if repeated often enough. Yet you apparently are incapable of realising that if Obama is unelectable, so too is Hillary, who fares badly with independents and crossover voters, who has extremely high negatives and a trainload of baggage that hasn't even begun to be rummaged through seriously. and whose campaign has served to alienate a significant portion of the Democratic base;I submit that anyone who thinks that of the two CLINTON is somehow the more electable is delusional.

[DefenseLawyer]

53. Wasn't John Edwards' father a millworker?

I think I heard that somewhere once.

[Catchawave]

101. So was Hillary's grandpa !

It's a sign !

[spooky3]

55. your headline is misleading; that's not what the article says

I'll wait for Elizabeth Edwards to speak her own mind - if she chooses to do so.

[karynnj]

56. How do you endourse someone you said has no conscience, as JRE said of HRC

not to mention the many times he said she was part of the corrupt process. There are somethings you can't go backward on and retain any credibility or perception of integrity.

I think EE's NYT op-ed was great and I think that she has done a good job in attacking McCain's program vs the Democratic ones. I still hold her responsible for saying on the eve of the Iowa primary that Obama's plan would not cover her because it does not cover pre-existing conditions. This was in prepared remarks and she is a lawyer capable of reading the one page summary of Obama's plan that does cover pre-existing conditions. This same claim when made by JRE was refuted in a debate later. I also resent that she said that - even before she had cancer she was for a universal program and that that influenced JRE's proposal. The problem is that the onlyt plan JRE created before she was diagnosed with cancer was the 2004 plan - that covered kids only. JRE in fact quoted a Washington Post article to call Kerry's near universal plan too expensive in February 2004.

[jackson_dem]

65. Simple: if you believe an Obama nomination is a ticket to four years of a McSame presidency

[Midwestern Democrat]

128. Absolutely. I know exactly what John is going through - I was a strong

Edwards supporter who became a Hillary supporter only by default (I endorsed Hillary as my second choice on this board right before the NH primary). I'm by no means an acolyte of the Clintons - I'm much more of a populist (I strongly disagree with them on trade policy and am more dovish on the issue of budget deficits during economic recessions). I would have LOVED to have had a new face/direction for the party - alas, in the end, my fellow primary voters didn't give me a choice.

[edgery]

90. Perhaps you'd like to provide the quote

where either John or Elizabeth Edwards stated that Clinton has no conscience?

Also, I'd like to have a link to where Elizabeth Edwards said that Obama's plan would not cover her because of pre-existing conditions.

In which debate did John Edwards make that statement?

Since your comment is riddled with "facts", perhaps supporting evidence to back them up would make you more credible.

[karynnj]

104. Here you go:

No conscience: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Edwards_The_Clinton_campaign_has_no_conscience.html
Pre-existing conditions:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/02/elizabeth-edwards-takes-aim-at-obama/re-existing
As to which debate - I do not have the time to find and go through all of them - so if you want I will take that back.

Now, you explain why EE thinks she can imply that their position in 2004 was not what it was.

[redqueen]

139. The second link is broken.

Thanks for posting the links though... and I hope you get an answer to your question.

[NashVegas]

62. LOL .... I Like Elizabeth Edwards

And didn't she say the press twisted her words?

[quickesst]

67. The perfect motto......

for Obama supporters, and it's an oldie, but goodie, should reflect the mindset of said group. The evidence for the motto's use is laid out for everyone in this thread, and most other hate-Clinton, worship-Obama threads. After throwing everyone under the bus, including Elizabeth Edwards, Joe Wilson, Wesley Clark, Paul Krugman, and anyone else who gets in their way, the only fitting motto shoud be:

YOU'RE EITHER WITH US, OR AGAINST US!

Now I know we've heard that one before, but Obama supporters bring a new level of hatred, and elitism to it, and if it fits them better than the previous owners, I say let them wear it. It's probably comfortable, and fits like a glove. Thanks.
quickesst

[redqueen]

76. Projection, that's all Hillary & her supporters have left.

Well, that and pandering by glomming onto McCain's "solutions" that she opposed years ago...but she's now for. Just like NAFTA... she was for it, now she's against it.

Must be nice to never have to be held accountable for what you say.

[JoFerret]

159. That and the nomination and the election victory

.

[Jersey Devil]

69. Last week the rumor was that she would campaign with Hillary in NC

That didn't pan out, at least not yet, so why should anyone believe this rumor?

[BeyondGeography]

71. Now they're going to DisneyWorld

So much for that.

[Tarc]

75. And here come the parade of Obamaniacs throwing the Edwardses under the bus

The loyalistas are predictable.

[redqueen]

79. Where?

Unbelievable, the projection.

[Tarc]

84. If you have trouble reading, that's beyond my ability to assist

Sorry, dear.

[redqueen]

91. I have no trouble reading. It seems you have trouble

discriminating between people who have ALWAYS been anti-edwards and people who only just now, because of this bullshit are anti-edwards.

:eyes:

Pitiful.

[madrchsod]

77. really i read the article

and i don`t see anything that says either one of them are endorsing anyone...nothing on google news either

[edgery]

78. Elizabeth has said she thinks Clinton's health care plan

is better than Obama's and both are light years better than McCain's. That is all she has said. She has not said she endorses Clinton, she has not sided with either overall and neither has John.

Anyone who believes "aides" is buying into corporate media stirring things up, because anyone legitimately an aide to either John or Elizabeth knows better than to leak anything to the press.

Really, folks, when John and Elizabeth Edwards want to tell us something about who they prefer, they'll come right out and say it. As the most up-front and direct, issue-oriented candidate in the past year, John Edwards showed us that he isn't playing stupid games and certainly isn't playing them with the press.

Until they come out with a statement otherwise, consider that they are simply waiting for the nominee to be decided by the process and then will do everything they can to ensure that next January 20, we're having a Democratic Inauguration.

[Texas Hill Country]

80. oh, and he will as soon as he sees which way the wind is blowing...

[susankh4]

82. Excellent news indeed!

Thanks Elizabeth!

[cui bono]

87. How do I get my donation to the Edwards campaign back?

I didn't give him $100 for him to drop out 10 days later and then have his wife trying to get him to endorse someone I despise.

I want my money back now.

[Hoof Hearted]

117. bitter?

[Auntie Bush]

121. Another pathetic Obama supporter/x-Edwards supporter throwing

John and Elizabeth under the bus. I donated to Wes Clark and if he now supported Obama I wouldn't be asking for my money back and bad mouthing him. Obama supporters are not loyal supporters to anyone and are just plain fickle.

[zabet]

94. k and r

:hi:

[Catchawave]

97. LOL...why the media obsession with the Edwards ?

Buyers remorse? It's just not the NYT either.

I'm sure Elizabeth was "no fan of Hillary" when John was still in the race? It's politics !

[BlueIdaho]

100. What is her timeframe for endorsing?

If she doesn't do it shortly it will be a totally meaningless gesture.

By the way - this Obama supporter respects the hell out of Elizabeth Edwards - if she likes HRC - or more precisely her health care plan - enough to endorse then that's fine with me.

[crimsonblue]

105. I'm so glad for posts like this...

they make it so much easier to discern whom to block.

[Raffi Ella]

107. I really hope they endorse her.

Now is the time if they want to make a difference.

[RememberWellstone]

110. Obama people will throw her

under the bus...just watch. They will JE a racist and everything else you can imagine in next few days.

[jbnow]

118. No, we'll call him a sell-out. Elizabeth we will still love. nt

[Beausoir]

124. Yep! Under the wheels of the Hope-Mobile! Amazing how filthy the Obots are.

[redqueen]

141. Projection. (nt)

[libbygurl]

112. K & R, JD! nt

[JoFerret]

114. It's the health care issue

good on you Elizabeth Edwards.

[Hoof Hearted]

115. Proving yet once again that Elizabeth is one smart cookie.

Thanks Elizabeth! You go girl!

[Beausoir]

123. Elizabeth Edwards is a brilliant and courageous woman. I adore her.

She has withstood MORE than her fair share of grief, pain and illness.

And, still, she fights for what is right.

The woman knows what is right.

[LulaMay]

130. It's great. They see that Hillary is committed to helping people, eradicating poverty.

[Why Syzygy]

131. She likes Hill's health plan. Robert Reich likes Obama's. It's a draw.

I read an interview with EE, and she interviewed both Obama and Hillary and concluded she liked Hillary's plan best.

[rodeodance]

133. don't forget Krugman-the economist says Hillary's is more financially workable.

[mcctatas]

134. but still not a good idea...

it's the little victories I suppose....
:eyes:

[Apollo11]

132. It would be a step forward for women's liberation if they don't do a joint endorsement.

I can see there are good reasons for John Edwards to remain neutral until all the contests are over. He still has a bunch of delegates to the Convention that may be needed to put the eventual winner over the top. Plus he has said (before and afer Iowa) that Hillary represents the Status Quo so it would look like a flip-flop if he suddenly endorsed her.


Elizabeth Edwards is married but she is still an individual citizen with her own right to speak out if that is what she wants to do.

If Elizabeth wants to tell people that she will be voting for Hillary - she has every right to say it.

[dbmk]

135. Can anyone tell where this is confirmed?

"On the other hand, Mrs. Edwards, her husband’s closest and most trusted adviser, has made it clear that she favors Mrs. Clinton; aides said she has recently tried to persuade Mr. Edwards to do the same."

I have heard that she favours Hillarys healthcare plan. Or rather that things she has said has been interpreted as such. I have yet to see or hear that she actually favours Hillary over Obama in general.

[mcctatas]

142. It is confirmed in the mass hysteria that is the hillary fan club...

and no where else.....

[gaspee]

136. I love Elizabeth Edwards

And I'm afraid of the trashing she's going to take for this. BUt I say, fuck 'em - and I know she can take it.

Go Elizabeth!

[wowimthere]

146. trashing she will deserve. It's as though the war vote means nothing. she's talking about heath-

care but she won't talk about her husband's war vote or that Clinton voted for this war.

[hokies4ever]

143. Too little too late

even if Edwards endorses Clinton now, it's too late to stem the tide against her. The superdelegates are still dripping toward Obama and she needed Edwards' endorsement much earlier to help her try to win NC.

Also, it has nothing to do with Obama being unelectable. Elizabeth Edwards has already says that she prefers Sen. Clinton's health care plan because it has a mandate. Forces people to buy health insurance. Democracy in action indeed.

[SeaLyons]

144. This will be an excellent endorsement for Hillary`

and well deserved.

Go Hillary!!

[wowimthere]

145. I thought she was smarter than this... Endorsed clinton for healthcare... misses the war vote

Of all of the lunacy. It's okay if Hillary can get people healthcare but if Clinton and her husband voted to send people to their death knowing that it was a political calculus then she does further damage by endorsing Clinton? She is proving not very smart as well.

[Skip Intro]

147. Thank You Elizabeth!. I hope John listens to his brilliant wife on this one.

[FatDave]

148. Believe it when I see it.

Everybody needs to go read the article. It is a collection of rumors circulating in NC. Talking to lots of people on the (metaphoric) street and asking "who will he/they endorse?". Every possibility is mentioned. Personally, the article felt like filler to me.

Oh, and the actual headline? "As North Carolina Primary Looms, Eyes on Edwards". That's a far cry from "Elizabeth Edwards supports Clinton, lobbying for Sen. Edwards to endorse Hillary" now, isn't it?

(Edited because I didn't proofread until I posted)

[samsingh]

149. i think Hillary has a better health plan than Obama

[FatDave]

154. You want to know a secret?

I think she does too, but I still support Obama.

Because here's the thing: Presidents actually have very little power to legislate. That's best left to the legislative branch. The differences between the Obama and Clinton plans are smaller than the differences between either plan and what eventually makes it through congress. Count on it.

[samsingh]

158. we're on the same side on this - i support obama as well

[grannylib]

150. Mrs. Edwards said just today that she endorses Sen. Clinton's HEALTH CARE

policy, not Senator Clinton herself. She said she'd also comment on the policies of other candidates, and that she's disappointed that McCain's plan obviously does not aim for universal coverage, while Obama's clearly has that goal at least.
So she's not endorsing the candidate, at least not yet, but she's endorsing her health care policy.

[CTyankee]

153. That was my take, too, grannylib.

I love EE. Likeher I endorse Clinton's health care plan. AND I will happily vote for Obama if he is the candidate.

EE makes a lot of sense in what she has been saying. But I kinda hope neither Edwards endorses one or the other. It doesn't strike me as the wisest thing for them to do at this point...

[mcctatas]

157. FWIW...

that was the gist of the article the OP selectively snipped as well as
"On the other hand, Mrs. Edwards, her husband’s
closest and most trusted adviser, has made it
clear that she favors Mrs. Clinton; aides said...." (anonoumsly of course)

AND

“People are waiting to see what she says,” said Elizabeth
Highfill of Wilmington. “In North Carolina, Elizabeth is
more important. I’m not going to be surprised if she
endorses Hillary and he endorses Obama.” (From beltway insider and Wilmington NC resident....ok, i made up the beltway insider part)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/28cnd-campaign.html?_r=1&ex=1367121600&en=77a5b314a1935632&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin


But as we have come to see, with a small minority of clinoton supporters on DU, facts and context are irrelevant...
:hi:

*edit to add link

[ecstatic]

155. If this is true, this lessens my opinion of John Edwards--tremendously

Why does his ailing wife have to lobby him? It makes him sound selfish and inconsiderate.

[jillan]

160. kicking!

:bounce:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

162. x2

[nonobadfish]

163. She very clearly denied this rumor on MSNBC.

Transcript of April 29 interview between Norah O'Donnell and Elizabeth Edwards:

O'DONNELL: You have said in terms of the Democratic contest that you'd prefer of course universal coverage and that you like Senator Clinton's plan on healthcare better than Senator Obama's. We have 7 days to go until the North Carolina primary. Will you endorse Senator Clinton for president?

EDWARDS: I've endorsed Senator Clinton's health plan. People ask me about particular policies, I'll be happy to comment on the policies of either of these candidates. In terms of healthcare, I'm proud that, even though I prefer one plan over the other that both plans have as their goal universal coverage and I'm disappointed that Senator McCain has not made that a goal of his own.


Nora O'Donnell, not surprisingly wouldn't leave it at that.


O'DONNELL: Can you say to me right here on MSNBC that you or your husband will not endorse in the next week?

EDWARDS: I'd be surprised. Things can happen any day, as we certainly found out today, which was a very big day on the political scene. Never say never, so I don't know that a situation couldn't happen in the next week that would change our minds. My current inclination is not to say any more than I have said, I'm willing to repeat it as many times as people want me to and John would have to speak for himself.