If it's fair for the media to associate Rev. Wright with Obama, isn't Monica fair game then?

[berni_mccoy]

Serious question folks. If people are going to ask all manner of stupid questions about Rev. Wright's association with Obama, then it's only fair to do the same for Hillary. After all, she isn't as vetted as she says she is. Wal-Mart board, WeatherUnderground pardons, Her brother's real-estate deal to get some friends pardoned, etc. And here's a nasty one: Why didn't Hillary divorce Bill? It's the same level of fear and loathing question for Hillary that people ask about Obama and why he didn't get up and leave the church. Bill lied to her, several times about Jennifer Flowers, Monica, et. al and she just stood there and took it? Is she weak? Was it for power reasons? I mean, who divorces the President of the U.S., especially when you have aspirations for a Senate seat in a state you've never lived in or in the Presidency yourself. Is this where we want to go? Because if Mrs. Clinton's supporters keep it up on Rev. Wright and the Media keeps pounding this, I can pretty much assure you that these topics will start coming to light for Hillary. There's still over an entire month before the end of the primaries and there is so very much left undiscussed about Mrs. Clinton's past. If she appears to be the front runner again, the media won't have it. They will want this battle to be as bloody as possible. It will get worse and worse until there is no going back for either side. The Super Delegates should end this now.

[Mezzo]

1. Depends. Did Monica Lewinsky Baptize Chelsea? Did hillary name a book after one of her sermons?

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[msongs]

2. Monica/Wright is equivalent only if obama has sex with wright nt

[berni_mccoy]

5. Or if Bill called out to God with Monica, which he most likely did

[undeterred]

15. What if

Pastor Wright had sex with Monica too? We don't know what went on when he visited the White House.

[Window]

33. Well, some people are saying Rev. Wright just fucked Sen. Obama

out of the nomination.

[2rth2pwr]

6. I smell fear.

[Exilednight]

21. Hillary must have farted. n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

7. Bill's been out of the country A LOT. I bet the GOP info on bimbos he's been with. n

[PoliticalAmazon]

16. My goodness, it seems he HAS!...

Just look up "Bill Clinton" and "girlfriend."

There's also a story on Hillary calling someone a "Jew Bastard" in the past.

[featherman]

8. Fair + media = oxymoron. But seriously, no. This is all about helping McCain

not Clinton. Monica has nothing to do with McCain

[berni_mccoy]

10. I'll give you the oxymoron. But, by your logic, the best thing would be for the SD's to end this

And stop allowing the media to help McCain.

[featherman]

30. By my logic, the media will demean and diminish any Democrat in any

possible way. If Senator Clinton was the front runner, she would be getting this treatment.

[doc03]

9. Breaking News: Bill Clinton is not running for President n/t

[berni_mccoy]

11. Breaking News: Mrs. Clinton's been running on his record.

[doc03]

19. And an excellent record it is, six months ago

Bill Clinton was a God in the Democratic party. Now since he is on the other side of Obama he is a no good SOB.

[PoliticalAmazon]

31. Like Hillary, the more we see of Bill, the more we recoil in horror. n/t

[cali]

47. lol. delude yourself if you wish. bill is not hill and on DU at

least, bill hasn't been seen as god. I, for one, was never a great admirer of either of them. Too much DLC triangulating crap, too much corruption and too much drama.

[LSparkle]

13. Breaking News: Rev. Wright is not running for President

[doc03]

20. Yes but Obama considers him his friend, his mentor and

spiritual advisor. Now he is the crazy uncle locked up in the basement.

[berni_mccoy]

22. And Mrs. Clinton considers Bill to be her husband (who cheated on her, numerous times)

[doc03]

27. Breaking News: Bill's Penis is not running for election. Maybe

Hillary should be applauded for keeping her marriage and family together, instead of divorcing him.

[berni_mccoy]

35. She should be applauded for leveraging his Presidency for a Senate bid?

all the while abandoning her morals just for power?

[gal]

65. Wright isn't running for election either.

But it's who you surround yourself with and who you are influenced by correct?
Let's bring up the impeachment as well. What is fair for one should be fair for the other.

Obama just has more class than some.

[Yossariant]

14. Great post! It's unfair to Obama compared to the way the media buried the Lewinsky scandal.

:rofl:

[Buzz Clik]

17. Hm. I think Obama should make repeated appearances on MSM denouncing the utterance of Monica.

"It is unthinkable that anyone would drag Monica and her blue, semen stained dress out of the closet again. Shameful! This should be a dignified campaign, and I am going on record as saying that Bill Clinton's impeachment that was triggered by getting his knob polished by that plump, big-haired floozy should be kept in the past. This repeated discussion of Monica this, Lewinsky that, 'I did not have sex with that woman', inappropriate use of a cigar -- enough!"

He should put that on a robo-call and buy some ads to run in Kentucky.

[City Lights]

18. According to Terry McAuliffe, yes.

The rule Team Clinton has put in place is that anything that's been in the public domain is fair game.

Personally, I'd rather stick to substantive issues and focus on kicking McCain's lame ass, but apparently, America hasn't hit bottom yet, is still easily distracted, and unwilling to confront the serious problems we're facing.

[NYCGirl]

23. No, I don't think so. But how about Hillary's sleazy brothers? NT

[2rth2pwr]

24. Monica isn't running around trying to get publicity and making speeches

about the differences in the brains of white and black kids.

[BlueIdaho]

25. Absolutely NOT!

Unfortunately the republicans will.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. OK

I encourage you guys to keep bringing it up. I hope Obama himself mentions Lewinsky.

[MichiganVote]

28. Lewinski is not about HC. It WAS about the RNC and Bill Clinton.

[berni_mccoy]

39. And Bill Clinton is a big part of Mrs. Clinton's campaign.

[MichiganVote]

42. Nobody is voting for BC. And anyway...there's nothing left to say on that political chapter.

[olkaz]

56. Are we to ignore the "Two for One" meme that was around for a long time?

It was being sold as a package deal from the beginning, and Bill is part of the package.

And sometimes his package causes problems.

[GoldieAZ49]

29. Sure berni, now that is news! from 90's, see if it drowns out the Wonderful Mr Wright

Tell me you think wedding vows are meaningless, for better or worse. It seems Obama took those vows with Wright.

There are far more women in Bill's past than the few you name. Now I am not sure about Michelle, but we could always start digging if you like.


Your threats show your fear, and it is justified.

[berni_mccoy]

38. You should ask Bill about Wedding Vows being meaningless.

There is no fear here except for what Clinton has done to the Party.

[GoldieAZ49]

43. No need, we all know. He is not running, your OP attacked Hillary

Like it or not Obama is the nominee that has divided the party

[hannybal]

32. The difference is...Hillary did not have sex with Monica

Bill did. And he's not running for president.

[berni_mccoy]

34. No difference: if she found his actions so objectionable, why didn't Hillary leave Bill?

The answer is obvious: she wanted to run for President.

[anonymous171]

36. "I never dreamed I'd be running for president"

[hannybal]

40. how dare she want to run for president!

Not compared to saying "God Damn America".

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Never Ceases To Amaze Me The Level Of Stupidity Analogies Here Can Reach.

This is even worse than the whole "Hillary wouldn't debate tasini" comparison. Talk about reaching. Wow.

[dailykoff]

41. I'd worry more about a two-hour Diane Sawyer interview with Huma Abedin.

Up close and personal, so to speak. Fortunately, Obama has spared us that particular melodrama.

[depakid]

44. Monica was a dalliance -Wright is long, continuing and influential relationship

Big difference, regardless of whether piling on either association is "fair."

And yep- the superdelegates should DO THEIR JOBS and deadlock the convention in favor of a compromise candidate if it looks like Obama would go down to certain defeat in November.

[Cheap_Trick]

45. well, Hillary's buddy Terry said it..

If it's out in the public, it's fair game. So fuck yeah Monica/Hillary/Bill and the conga line of floozies is fair game.

[MrSlayer]

46. All of Bill's conquests are fair game but Obama is too classy to roll that way.

The Republicans, however, have no class.

[mattclearing]

48. Not true. You forget that Hillary is the anointed candidate this time out.

She is the only person that the powers that be will allow to become president. McCain is anti-pork and anti-corporate influence, so he's totally unacceptable. Obama is all kinds of wrong.

The only people who have lobbied the Bushes for use of their rigged voting machines are the Clintons.

When Hillary said Obama can't win, she knew what she was talking about.

[vssmith]

49. Or to associate McCain with the Keating 5

[Vinca]

50. Absolutely Monica is fair game. The entire Republican campaign

against Hillary will be based on the "defiling of the Oval Office" and keeping Bill out of the White House at all costs. She says she's been vetted and she can withstand it, but I don't know that the American public can stand it. By the end of the Clinton term, everyone I know was pretty much sick of the soap opera. I had to laugh yesterday when she was talking about having a debate on a flatbed truck. The last time I heard the bed of a truck mentioned, it involved Bill.:rofl:

[1776Forever]

51. It is the et. al for me - How can anyone vote for HRC when BIll is the biggest lobbyist of all!

This is IT for me:

Dubai - *The Next New York City!



NEW MID-EAST WORLD CENTER

From this a MUST READ link:

http://imageevent.com/cdbrown/dubai

AS HIS WIFE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES,BILL CLINTON IS STILL A PAID LOBBYIST ON THE EMIRATE PAYROLL. They will do ANYTHING to have access to the White House.

Bill Clinton receives 10 million dollars a year from Dubai as an adviser. The Clinton's have joint bank accounts. Is she running on Foreign money with the $5M she loaned her campaign? His Library has also received millions of dollars
from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other Mid-East States.

Pictures of Dubai future city and Clinton with Mohammad Bin Rashid --Ruler of Dubai
--- Clinton's partner along with Yucaipa head Ron Burkle in promoting the United Arab Emirates and their investments in the US.

Date(s): April 14, 2008. Album by Clifford Brown. Photos by Gulf Newspapers/Arab News and others.

..............

Pass it on!!!! North Carolina and Indiana are you listening!!!!

:argh:

[suziedemocrat]

52. Was Monica a close spiritual adviser to Hillary?

Did Hillary repeatedly take her daughter Chelsea to hear Monica lecture on life and spirituality? You're grasping here.

Some people mean it when they say "Till death do us part." Many people stay with husbands who have strayed. I don't see what that has to do with anything.

The fact is, Obama will have a tough time beating McCain. Hillary has a better chance. If you don't want McCain, you should thank Hillary for staying in.

Hillary is not my first choice at all, but I don't want McCain. And I remember in 2000 when people, like Michael Moore, justified voting for Nader by saying there was virtually no difference between Bush and Gore. Well guess what, there was a HUGE difference between Bush and Gore. We need to win in November. Period! We need the strongest candidate in November. Period.

I was an Obama supporter back in the fall, because I thought he could bridge some of the racial divides in this country. Now I think he is making the racial divide worse. I noticed it early on, and I got turned off. I kept my feelings to myself though because to question Obama became akin to joining the KKK. Now the harsh light of the media is showing that Obama is not a uniter. No way someone would take their children to a church like that if they didn't buy into the message.

[Changenow]

53. Or Hillary's brother selling pardons

Why is everying toxic about her off limits?

We are so screwed.

[Coexist]

54. bernie - you HAVE TO read the Rude Pundit on this one - it is a classic:

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2008/04/lewinsky-nuke-or-how-bill-is-hillary.html

Applying the standard set for Obama in his relationship to Jeremiah Wright to the marriage of Hillary and Bill Clinton, do we not have every right to ask why Clinton did not divorce her husband. Oh, sure, you can say, "Well, that's crazy, it's a personal decision, it's a family thing," but Hillary Clinton chose to stay married to a man who not only repeatedly betrayed her, which we could interpret in lots of ways about her character, both good and bad, but to a man who spewed adulterous semen at the White House on America's dime. No, Bill Clinton might not have said, "God damn America," but he sure believed that American could pay for a place for him get his dick sucked. So it ain't that far a leap to say that he betrayed America, too.

You may ask, "What about Chelsea?" Chelsea was eighteen around this time. She was heading off to college. And the marriage was 22 or 23 years long at the point of intern penis insertion.

So there's your ad, your talking point, your goddamned spin: Hillary Clinton chose to stay married to a man who defiled the Oval Office and insulted America by trying to convince us that it wasn't sex. Why didn't she "get up and leave"?

And we could add: And this man is now her main campaign representative and will be returned to the White House he defiled, filled with interns. (Cue the ominous music and the slow-mo of Bill wagging his finger at us, like we did something wrong. Oh, fuck, that's the final insult, no?)

How do you feel after reading that? Feel like throwing up? Wonder why the fuck any of this shit really matters when it takes fifty bucks to fill your gas tank? Feel spattered with Scaife jism? Got Rove jam in your eye?

Is the idea for the ad just ludicrous? Fuckin' A, it is. But, really, is it qualitatively less ludicrous than the continued uproar over Reverend Wright? Barack Obama didn't say, "God damn America." His pastor did. That one time, as far as we know. Frankly, it's elitist and snobby to think that someone can just walk away from his church because the pastor said a couple of "bad" things. And, frankly, it seems that if your husband is constantly fucking around, it's a bit more of a leap to say that it's cool you stayed with him.

And let's use another Clinton talking point against her: do you think the GOP ain't gonna bring up Lewinsky if she's the nominee? You think that the threat of Bill wild and free in the White House ain't gonna be an issue?

So how about this: why doesn't Hillary Clinton condemn the uproar over Wright for the good of her party and her country instead of fanning the flames? Or would that seem too presidential?

[Bensthename]

55. Yes, as Hillbots say: "the GOP will use it ".. And they will too.

And if Hillary doesnt like it, "she can get out of the kitchen"..

[durrrty libby]

57. BOSniffers desperation

[dcindian]

58. If Hillary were running against Bill it sure would be on the table.

Nothing is below that woman.

[GihrenZabi]

59. Such a good point

I've been thinking this myself - what does her conduct say about HER morals and ethics?

Is a woman who puts up with serial cheating just to feed her own power-trip really someone we want running the country?

If she really had anything to offer anyone she could do it without clinging to her husband's coattails.
But she doesn't. She won her Senate seat on pure name-recognition. Her Primary run is based solely on the same name-recognition - she's getting a majority of her votes from the politically un-savvy.

[kentuck]

60. Not until the general.

Then we'll see how Hillary responds to it.

[Texas Hill Country]

61. dumb argument.

[Jamastiene]

62. Only if you want to be known as a crotch sniffer.

Obsessed with the Clenis much?

[Enrique]

63. Monica's sermons are less controversial

[gal]

Yes it is.

So is Whitewater and all the other investigations they have been through. I think the HRC campaign is lucky they are running agnist Obama and no one else or these things would already be out there in the open for the new voters that don't remember them.

[gal]

64. Yes it is.

So is Whitewater and all the other investigations they have been through. I think the HRC campaign is lucky they are running agnist Obama and no one else or these things would already be out there in the open for the new voters that don't remember them.

[BigDDem]

66. Absolutely! I encourage you to go for it!

Show everyone the new politics, they'll eat it up

[mmonk]

67. Yes, she could have chosen a different husband.

She didn't have to stay with him all those years.

[leaningprog]

68. The Clinton's live on clash and slash - cut off their food supply

The Clinton and DLC game is about top down leadership where you line
up all the right corporate and PAC money, heavily in New York and then
smear your way to the top. This is their strong suit, and it is their
food supply. It is what they have had used against them, and they have
both done much to provide fuel for it to be used against them, as well
as running a slime bureau to gather up stocks of slime to use against
others.

Last night I watched the Rev. Wright feed of when he was part of the
surgical team to do Lyndon Johnson's gall bladder surgery. Did he look
like a dangerous figure then?

New York power brokers brought Hillary into New York and installed her
to launch another Clinton White House, which we are in the midst of
seeing the big push for now.

New York doesn't trust America, they want to control the candidates
we are allowed to vote for, they wish to control what information is
dispensed about people and issues and what is spun in or omitted if it
doesn't suit their objectives. New York wants to run the country from
the top down, and if they see a candidate who is attempting to let the
people run their own country from the bottom up, they are going to stay
up nights and go all out to destroy this threat.

They have a couple of problems with this strategy, people know that
Wall Street has been bailed out and courted while Main Street has
been allowed to rot or fend for itself. The white blue collar people
have seen that their jobs and states are secondary to Wall Street
profits buoyed by cheap foreign labor, and all of us have watched
the President and his lackeys lie and spin and lead us into a quagmire.
About the only thing that is still selling to us out of New York is
fear. Fear that if their hand picked person doesn't win we will turn
on Israel, fear about race, fear about wedge issues, and when all else
fails, they pitch fear of the unknown. Be afraid, be very afraid,
and then get the hell out of the way again for the power elite.

If we get past our fears, they have very little else to offer us or
to sell us. New York will go wherever the money is and will be just
fine, we are going to have to start thinking and taking care of
ourselves in the real world beyond, Wall Street, Madison Ave., the
New York Media empires, and thwart their attempts to keep our Washington
representatives crippled from serving their people by lobbyist
redirection and control.

People, if you go against the New York power folks you are going to
be painted as ugly as sin on TV, let's get past the fear and paint
all of our fellow Democrats beautiful and diverse and strong, and
then go on to paint the entire country beautiful after the GE.

Gut check time, do you want to be afraid, or do you want to be
a Democrat or with the Democrats who are going to break the country
free of the bondage of corporate media mind control and corporate lobbyist indenture of your elected representatives?

We need a new approach and not another corporate maven,
Barack Obama, we have your back.