Nader asks to "keep Dean from being a spoiler"

[ButterflyBlood]

OK, Nader is using some Orwellian logic here, Dean is the spoiler, not him.

http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=98

Howard Dean has urged his supporters to stay within the Democratic fold and cast their lot with John Kerry. In his latest incarnation as defender of the DNC's left flank, Dean is doing his best to keep Nader/Camejo off the ballot, limiting voters to a "choice" between two pro-war candidates. We want to stop Dean from denying voters the right to vote for candidates in which they can believe.

Help set the stage for open Presidential debates this fall.

Although some rhetoric would have no place in a meaningful discussion of electoral reform, Nader/Camejo 2004 suspects Howard Dean may try to make political capital out of red herrings. We're asking for your pledge of $5 or more for each time Howard Dean uses one of the following ten phrases:
"Spoiler" "Florida 2000"
"A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush" "The Nader Factor"
"Not the year for a third party" "Ralph Nader is not going to be President"
"Anybody but Bush" "All about Ralph Nader"
"Safe states" "In bed with the GOP"]

Nader is looking like a bigger and bigger fool every time he opens his mouth.

[Zynx]

1. I think Nader must have syphilis. It's the only thing that can explain his

madness.

[King of New Orleans]

3. The Madness of King Ralph?

I'd like that if it didn't remind me that I actual paid money to see that awful John Goodman movie.

[union_maid]

2. Nader is nuts

He wasn't always crazy, I don't think. Being nuts doesn't take away from the good things he's done in the past or the awful things he's done more recently, but now he's a nutcase. It's becoming more and more painfully obvious.

[LoZoccolo]

7. My dad got disillusioned with him in the early seventies.

He came to see him speak all enthused about him, and left feeling like he was power-hungry. I used to think this weirdness was a recent thing too until my dad told me that.

[benburch]

4. Nader the Traitor is being well paid.

All that GOP money will make his "declining years" very comfortable.

[NNadir]

5. Like all lying Repukes, Nader's lies are more pathetic than ever.

But let's not be mistaken. Nader didn't just become a liar. He's been a liar and a fraud for his whole career. Like other convincing liars and frauds, though, Nader began to believe his own bullshit, and began to push the envelope beyond the point where all but the most credulous could see through it.

Think Nader. Think Cheney. Think Bush. All three liars are equivalent.

[asthmaticeog]

8. You're out of your fucking tree.

Before he bacame a presidential hopeful, Nader's career was dedicated to safety and consumer protection. His advocacy got ideas out into the public mind -- and LAWS through congress -- that saved many, many lives. He has most certainly NOT been a liar and a fraud throughout his entire career. He's not a liar or a fraud now, he's a delusional ego gone 'round the bend.

[LoZoccolo]

9. He is a liar and a fraud now.

Let's review:

- There is little difference between the parties.
- I won't campaign in the swing states.
- Gore would have started the Iraq war.
- I will take more votes away from Bush* than Kerry.

Sorry, this is all verifiable bullshit, easily known by him.

And the brand new:
- We'll return contributions from Republicans.

Camejo was actually the one that said that, but I haven't seen it yet.

[Corby]

10. Take your pick -- he's either a corrupt liar or he's insane.

No other option fits his recent behavior.

[NNadir]

11. Bullshit. Before releasing "Unsafe at any speed," the creep bought Ford

stock. He was breaking unions among his workers and illegally firing strikers through corporate legal manipulations in the late 1970's. While publicly pronouncing a "vow of poverty," he was embezzling PIRG money and enriching himself (in part by forced contributions of college students; and I know because I was one) in the late 1970's.

This is not exactly new news that was discovered in 2000 after Nader ran a propaganda campaign (which he continues) for his Repuke masters.. "Citizen Nader," detailing the Naderist fraud was written in 1973. It detailed pretty clearly, way back then, who fraudulent piece of shit was.

Nader was always a fraud. He is a fraud now. He will always be a fraud. Sorry, but that's the fact.

You buy the corporate CNN bullshit lie when you claim he was ever a CONSUMER activist. (CONSUMER is a word, BTW, for people who consume, which, in American terms, is a word for needlessly and piggishly waste resources.)

[Corby]

6. Cheney off, Ralph.

It's damned near impossible to say "Well, he did a lot of good back in the day...." There aren't enough flaming Corvairs in all the world's landfills to excuse putting Bush in for a second term.

[Lefty Pragmatist]

12. My dinner with Ralph

I had dinner with Ralph after a NYPIRG function in Albany, NY in 1986. At that time, at least, he was:

+ obviously smart
+ a true believer in his causes
+ politically savey
+ a might too impressed with Himself

But then again, I met Jesse Jackson less than a year later out in Palo Alto and you could say the same 4 things about him.

Not a bad guy, and not deserving of all the hot headed silliness on this board. But a royal pain in the neck and pretty obviously counter-productive to his own causes at this point.

[otohara]

13. After His Whacked Performance on Daily Show Lastnight

I think Ralph has lost it -

[mandelion]

14. Agreed..

You know, he is really losing it now. I find it upsetting that he is willing to do this knowing the country needs Bush out of there; he's said so himself. Talk about someone not thinking of the greater needs of the people and just of himself.

[TexasSissy]

15. Nader is being funded by Repubs. He's a Bush appointee, too.

Ambassador to Ireland. I saw that on Meet the Press.

[Donkeyboy75]

20. ???

Ames Kenny is the ambassador to Ireland. Before that (resigned in 2002), it was the billionaire Egan...

[TexasSissy]

22. ???? Well, I saw Nader being interviewed by Russert.

Russert asked him about his being promoted by the Repubs, campaign contributions by them, support for Nader by a Repub organization, etc., etc. Then to my surprise, Russert asked him about his other connection with the Repub Party, his being appointed by Bush as ambassador to Ireland, I'm sure is what he said. And Nader acknowledged that quickly and moved on.

I'll try to look this up. Maybe I misunderstood the country's name? I'll see if I can find it.

[TexasSissy]

23. Well, Donkeyboy, I was wrong. But here's the clip:

It wasn't Russert. It was Andrea Mitchell filling in for Tim Russert on Meet the Press, Sunday, 7/4/04. I missed part of what she said. It wasn't NADER who was appointed ambassador to Ireland, it was one of his campaign contributors. Well, I THOUGHT that was weird when I heard it (I mean, I didn't even think Nader was of Irish ancestry), but he didn't deny it, so I thought I heard right. Anyway, here it is:

Copyright© 2004, National Broadcasting Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

PLEASE CREDIT ANY QUOTES OR EXCERPTS FROM THIS NBC TELEVISION PROGRAM TO "NBC NEWS' MEET THE PRESS."

NBC News

MEET THE PRESS

***SNIP***

MS. MITCHELL: You say the Republicans didn't deliver in Oregon, they didn't help...

MR. NADER: Yeah.

MS. MITCHELL: ...with the petitions there, but they are delivering financially. Let's take a look at what The Boston Globe reported about a major contributor and fund-raiser for Republican George Bush: "Major Bush fund-raiser donates to Nader campaign: Democrats see strategy as a bid to hurt Kerry. Billionaire Richard J. Egan built his reputation in politics as a major donor and fund-raiser for the Bush campaign, steering hundreds of thousands of dollars into Republican coffers in recent years. But now it appears Egan and his relatives are bankrolling a new candidate: independent presidential contender Ralph Nader. Egan **who was sent to Ireland as U.S. ambassador by President Bush after his fund-raising successes in the 2000 campaign** has given Nader the maximum $2,000 allowed under the law, according to federal elections documents--also show a $4,000 contribution to Nader from Egan's son and daughter- in-law, John R. and Pamela C. Egan. Donors often cross party lines to support candidates based on specific regional or business issues, but the Egans' sudden interest in Nader seems to reflect a more sophisticated strategy by Republicans to draw support away from Democratic challenger John F. Kerry by bolstering his third-party" bid.

Thanks for catching that. No telling how long I would've continued to think that Nader is ambassador to Ireland...appointed by Bush, no less!

[Donkeyboy75]

25. Hey, no problem. I have an interest in Ireland, so...

And, I'm sure that if it were true, it would be used tirelessly as an example of how Nader is *'s shill on this board.
Take care! :hi:

[TexasSissy]

16. This must mean that Dean is having an impact. Great.

[janx]

17. Dean is coming out full-throttle against him in a debate

on NPR (2:00 EST) on Friday.

Nader might be a little nervous...

[janx]

18. This quote is so far over the top that I can't believe it:

"We want to stop Dean from denying voters the right to vote for candidates in which they can believe."


Think about it. How is Dean denying any voter any right?

[Dr Fate]

19. He cant stand Liberal Democrats who expose his "big lie"...

- that DEMS are "the same" as Republicans.

[zulchzulu]

21. St. Ralph continues his journey as a meaningless, irrelevant schmuck

Ralph looks hungry. Maybe some pie would help.

[DinahMoeHum]

28. Pity. He should go back to consumer advocacy. . .

But hell, it's his funeral, not mine.

:evilfrown:

[demwing]

24. I just wrote to Ralph, told him I would send $5

to Howard Dean each time Dean does something to focus the vote against Bush and for Kerry, or each time Dean takes on Ralph Nader!

I added that I hoped Dean gets many of those fivers from me, and I thanked Ralph for the idea!

[WI_DEM]

26. Nader has finally gone off the deep end

His oversized ego has been bruised. He can't take the rejection that the Greens handed to him and the fact that he has been marginalized. Why do pollsters keep asking Americans about this wiener? Cobb, the Green nominee is on more ballots--perhaps they should stop trying to prop Nader up and give it a rest.

[fujiyama]

27. WOW

This just makes me admire Dean so much. He really is a hell of a person, and has done EVERYTHING he can possibly do to help Kerry. Like Clark and Edwards, he's been there all along for Kerry's campaign. Dean however, has done something unique. He's engaged a dialogue with a part of the party that feels especially marginalized. If polls show much smaller numbers for Ralph than expected, it may be partly due to Dean.