If HRC wins this nom because of trashing a well respected and loved AA preacher, race relations

[Windy]

in the US will be set back decades!! It would be one thing if Obama lost due to legitimate issues based on policy, but this slash and burn strategy of the Clintons and the fact that the party is letting her continue with this nonsense is going to result in tragedy. Bet on it. Are people so stupid as to think that what she is doing is a GOOD idea?

Is the media so naive as to think that people are going to stand for this? And not just African americans... many people in the party who are truly color blind and intelligent will not stand for this garbage and will NOT come out in November if the reason that Obama loses the election is through trashing Rev. Wright!

What is going on in this country right now, and shockingly, in the democratic party is frightening. I never thought I would see Dem against Dem get so damn ugly.

[anonymous171]

1. I'm just pissed because she lies so much and Obama won't call her on it.

[Bluebear]

2. Clinton is trashing Wright?? Or is it Wright who won't leave the spotlight at this time?

You think it's Clinton shoving Wright into the news?

[LakeSamish706]

6. It doesn't make any difference what Rev. Wright is doing, he is not Obama....

So I wish that the MSM and the Hillbotts would stop trying to put them together.

[guyanakoolaid]

11. YES. She's shoving him in the faces of superdelegates, her campaign has admitted so

Disgusting, filthy, and racist.

[Bluebear]

13. Wright is continuing the story, not Clinton. Be fair.

[guyanakoolaid]

18. Are you denying that the Clinton campaign is pushing Wright to superdelegates?

[Bluebear]

21. No affirming or denying. But Wright has appeared at 2 public forums in 2 days now

He is keeping himself in the news, not Hillary Clinton.

[guyanakoolaid]

35. Doesn't matter what you deny - Ickes has confirmed it's Clinton campaign strategy

see #28 for a reply to your "Wright is keeping himself in the media" bullshit

[Bluebear]

46. Maybe so. To me it just proves that a Democrat shouldn't campaign on a holy-moly platform.

I've heard enough about religion and the candidates to last me a lifetime now, thanks.

[guyanakoolaid]

56. Then save the rest of us from hearing it, too, and quit making posts about it

Disingenuous to push this phony story and then claim to be above it.

[Bluebear]

58. Yeah, that's me, disingenuous. Later.

[AZBlue]

17. The man's been in hiding practically until recently - was he supposed to live in a cave until Nov?

What a bullshit post!

[Bluebear]

27. Yeah, thanks a whole bunch for calling my post bullshit.

I didn't ask him to hide in a cave. The premise of the OP was that CLINTON is "pushing" the story, but whatever. be well.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

32. why do you think he picked now to have his media blitz? when it would kill Obama's momentum? Why?

I no longer respect this man.

His actions are what I judge him by.

He is too smart to not know that he is harming Obama seriously.

None of the other candidates' nutty preachers are seeking media attention.

[ccharles000]

49. I agree.

as evil as some might see Hillary she can not force the reverend to continue to speak and hurt Obama among some people.If Obama is the nominee I will vote for him but no one can claim the Wright is helping him.

[MonkeyFunk]

3. How DARE she

make him speak at two national forums, go on Bill Moyers and write a book. The audacity!

[Maddy McCall]

7. LOL.

Damn that Hillary. And Bill's penis.

:D

[Windy]

8. Excuse me. His speeches were fine. Its the soundbites and Clinton surrogates trashing the man on TV

that is really starting all the nonsense.

She is taking advantage and taking words out of context.

I'm telling you. Kiss any progress that has been made in race relations goodbye with this sad turn of events. Clinton should have stuck to the issues.

[MonkeyFunk]

10. You're full of shit

Clinton's ONLY comment on this affair was to say she would not have stayed in the church, and she said then when asked directly about it in an editorial board interview.

Wright is keeping this story going, not Clinton.

[guyanakoolaid]

14. YOU'RE full of shit --- Notice you don't hear Hillary talking about "change" any more?

Clinton continues to push this story to superdelegates, her campaiign admitted it.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. Of course

she's going to discuss the implications of ANY story and its effects on the general election with superdelegates. That's not keeping this alive.

Wright is keeping it alive. You guys have your heads so far up Obama's ass you can't see daylight. Not everything that's bad for Obama is Clinton's fault.

[guyanakoolaid]

28. He responds to weeks worth of M$M and Clinton propaganda...

and suddenly he's the one "pushing the story". Throw all common sense out the window, which would have said Wright and Obama both would like this story talked about less by the media. Yet are they to let the media and Clinton have a field day with racist rhetoric and not respond?

[MonkeyFunk]

40. Again

Clinton said ONE thing about this whole fiasco, and it was rather tame. And it was weeks ago.

Clinton's not behind this story. Wright is.

[Name removed]

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[Hoof Hearted]

23. But you can't answer the question, can you. That's why you're so pissed.

[Windy]

44. I believe I've addressed any nonsense put forward by MF succinctly.

I have no problem in debating as the facts and truth are on my side. I can't help if those of you who are blinded by your loyalty can't see what is best for the democratic party and this country.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. LOL

you guys invent total nonsense about Clinton driving this story, and I'm at fault?

You guys are delusional, and now that Obama's having some tough times, you're getting even crazier.

[guyanakoolaid]

39. Do you deny that the Clinton campaign is pushing this story to media and superdelegates?

[MonkeyFunk]

43. As I said above

discussing it with superdelegates isn't pushing it.

The media don't need Clinton to pursue this - it's a great story!


You're wall-biting, cat-kicking insanely paranoid if you believe the only way this story would get covered is for Clinton to push it.

[guyanakoolaid]

52. The weight you give this racist story is telling... and still not a plausible denial

"discussing it with superdelegates isn't pushing it."

If you can't make that step of logic, you're not worth talking to. You concede she's pushing it to superdelegates, but those are merely "discussions". Bullshit semantics to hide the blatant racism seething out of the Clintons right now.

The Arkansas roots are starting to show.

[MonkeyFunk]

53. The superdelegates

aren't journalists. They're not reporters. Discussions about this don't keep this story in the media.

Sorry, I know you like to think Clinton is all-powerful in her evil, but she's not behind this. And it's stupid to dismiss it as a racist attack.

[guyanakoolaid]

60. Oh, so then you're denying Clinton surrogates are pushing this to and on the media?

I don't watch a lot of cable news, but if I switched it on I don't think it would take me very long to see a Clinton surrogate talking about this.

[Bluebear]

42. Au contraire. You may not agree with MonkeyFunk, but unitelligent he is not.

[Hoof Hearted]

19. Naughty Monkey! OK,

Funny Monkey! LOL!

[burythehatchet]

4. I'm not a huge devotee of Obama, I like him, but if this does come to pass

I'm done with politics, voting, the whole thing. This is a turning point for me.

[Cha]

29. I'm a huge Obama fan and

I feel the same. Fuck it. BUT, it ain't gonna happen.

[msmcghee]

5. And so if HRC wins the nomination that means . .

. . it was because "of trashing a well respected and loved AA preacher". And therefore, what? Should we expect riots in the streets? Are you predicting that or calling for that - or just helping the meme get launched?

[Windy]

12. I think that you will seen African American's running from the dem party.

And yes, you may see people take to the streets because he is defeated not on the issues, but by racial sterotypes and negative "swiftboating" fostered by Clinton and perpetrated by the media, I think there will be anger and rightly so.

[KingFlorez]

9. She didn't trash him

The media and the right wing did. You can't blame Hillary for this.

[Windy]

31. MacCulliffe is doing it and HRC continues to bring him up...

She wouldn't go to his church, etc.

Come on, you may say you don't know that she's doing this, but she is and you know it! Trust me, African Americans know it. Listen to Joe Madison in the morning on XM 169 or online. If you think the African American community will vote for HRC after all this mudslinging, you're nuts. Madison was on this morning praising Wright and so were his callers. This is serious for the party.

[Hoof Hearted]

15. fearmongering?

[Windy]

22. TRUTH!!!! And the African American community would have every reason to be sickened by what has gone

on in this race! I'm sick of it and I'm a 50 year old white female!

[Hoof Hearted]

30. fearmongering.

[Windy]

33. No critical thinking from a HRC supporter. I'm not suprised.

Its all about putting a woman in the WH...doesn't matter what woman! So sad for our country!

[Zodiak]

67. As a 37 year old white southern male

...raised by racist parents to be a racist (but I got better!), I agree with you completely.

I know the code when I see it. Sickens me.

[Mezzo]

25. once again....BULLSHIT.

[rwheeler31]

26. Ugly is the right word.

If the party leaders don't step up and end this they do not deserve support.

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. Clinton is nearly tied--not because of a preacher.

If she wins, it is no less legitimate than if Obama wins.

[Windy]

38. OH please. Its all the mud slinging and all Wright all the Time by her surrogates and the MSM

You know and I know it.

Be careful what you wish for HRC lemmings. If you think what she is doing is benefitting the party, you're nuts!

[Evergreen Emerald]

63. you crack me up. When Obama was shouting "Racism!" from the rooftops

and you all denied and denied that the Obama camp had anything to do with it--despite their admissions.

Here we have Clinton ignoring the issue for weeks until asked a specific question, and she answered it. Legitimately.

And you all are suggesting SHE is the one causing the Wright issue?

Wow. It is no wonder most reasonable people have left DU.

[Windy]

64. I guess the Jesse Jackson won SC too wasn't a bit of a racist comment?

get ahold of your sanity please. It has slipped away from you!

[Evergreen Emerald]

65. Get your time-line straight. That comment came AFTER the shouts of

"Racism!"

[annie1]

47. obama supporters and the media just don't want to admit that a lot of people...

really like hillary. i know there is a large percentage that don't, but when i call people or have talked to people they feel very very strongly about hillary. how many black women did i meet in philly that were so enthusiastic about her. the other day i called a woman about a button maker i ordered, i told her what for and she was telling me how much she loves hillary. the media would have you think everyone hates her, but some people just love the hell out of her.

[Windy]

57. Read the post... and NO a lot of people don't like HRC. You'll see come November if she gets

the nomination. And its too bad for the party.

Funny, Obama still has the higher number of votes and more delegates than clinton.

[susankh4]

36. If Wright screws this up for Obama...

it won't be Hillary's fault.

[Skip Intro]

37. Oh give the fucking race card a rest, will you? And will you PLEASE show me where Hillary trashed

the good rev?

Not that long ago, and probably still, it was all fine when they were talking about Hillary and her marriage to Bill.


But my God, say anything about Obama's spiritual mentor for the last twenty years, and, because he is black, it's fucking racist.

Bullshit.

I request that you back up your statement that Hillary is "trashing" Wright with some quotes and links.

Thanks.

[Windy]

51. as a start...from another post.

Here are words from her campaign leaders offering proof there were using the issue.

From Terry McAuliffe:

McAuliffe on Fox News


..."HANNITY: No, it's clear everybody wants this to go on. I — because I have less than two minutes. I want to go issue by issue.

The Reverend Wright issue, in your opinion, is a legitimate issue, correct?

MCAULIFFE: I agree with Speaker Gingrich. Anything that's been out in the public is fair game.

HANNITY: All right.

MCAULIFFE: Are you kidding me? Wait until the general election, Sean.

HANNITY: Wait until — yes, well, the Bill Ayers issue which we were on — just like the Wright issue.

MCAULIFFE: Yes.

HANNITY: ...we were on way ahead of anybody. You think that's a legitimate issue?

MCAULIFFE: I think everything is a legitimate issue. Hillary Clinton nothing's ever been taken off the table for her."



From Harold Ickes, a major campaign person:

Ickes: Jeremiah Wright a key topic in discussions with superdelegates


"In an interview with me this morning, senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes confirmed that Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a key topic in discussions with uncommitted super-delegates over whether Obama is electable in a general election.

The comments from Ickes, who is Hillary's chief delegate hunter, are to my knowledge the first on-the-record confirmation from a Hillary adviser that the Wright controversy is a subject in conversations between the Hillary campaign and the super-delegates her advisers are trying to win over to Hillary's side.



From Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Florida co-chair of the Clinton campaign, one of the leaders in attacking the DNC over the delegates.

Wasserman Schultz speaks out on Wright.


"Especially in some of the states that have yet to vote, the Wright affair “is a big vulnerability,” said Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a Clinton superdelegate. And “all of this delegate stuff is artificial,” she added, alongside the reality that the party’s nominee must be able to carry big states like hers, where Mrs. Clinton won a disputed victory; Ohio, where she triumphed last month; and Pennsylvania, where she leads in polls.


Remember when Hillary Clinton announced that she would have resigned from Wright's church over his remarks?

Clinton: Wright 'would not have been my pastor'


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, in a wide-ranging interview today with Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reporters and editors, said she would have left her church if her pastor made the sort of inflammatory remarks Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor made.
"He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

Obama's lead in national polls had slipped since clips of the retired Rev. Jeremiah Wright began being played on national news programs, but he has since rebounded, according to a Gallup poll. The uproar prompted Obama to give a major speech on race in America last week. His campaign accused Clinton of exploiting the controversy.

[Skip Intro]

59. Bullshit. It IS a legit issue as far as who has the best chance to win in Nov.

It WILL be an issue in Nov.

And Hillary gave an answer to a question that Obama days or weeks later co-opted, saying he would have walked out during the "controversial" sermons. Just the ones that are controversial. They're only controversial now, tho. See the falsehood in his statement?

I still see nothing racist in Hillary's remarks on Wright, and no trashing.

Please, quote one line that highlights the racism you speak of. Tell me how it is racist.

Please.

[Windy]

62. Unbelieveable! Completely unbelieveable! (look at these links)

http://www.joemadison.com/

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=98025&p=3&topicID=16918650&commentPage=0#lastPostAnchor

Listen to his show tomorrow morning online!

[annie1]

41. or b/c superdelegates don't think he can woo the white working class or older vote.

his loft rhetoric just doesn't do it for them. it hasn't in the contest so far, even since the beginning. or you can continue blaming all your candidates problems on hillary.

[AZBlue]

45. I, for one, will stand up against this. And hold Hillary Clinton personally responsible.

[Jed Dilligan]

48. You're right.

Cities will burn if she's given the nom. People will be in a burn-y kind of mood anyway by then after a few more months of stagflation.

[Oleladylib]

50. oh PLEASE!

[Windy]

54. Sometimes just voting for "the woman" is not best!! I'm a woman and there is no way in hell

that I'm voting for her. I've had enough of her brand of politics! The pitiful way she has run her campaign proves to me that she has no capacity to run a country or deal with other nations. Her "obliterate Iran" statement has reverberated around the world and caused animosity to fester once again. I want this kind of behavior in a president again? I think not!!!

[Catherine Vincent]

55. Your post ain't nothing but shit.

Wright appearing on all these talk shows is not Hillary's doing.

[Windy]

61. Do you pay attention? Her surrogates are all over the media with this.

They are keeping the fires flamed. And did you even watch a single one of his speeches? They were fine and he came across and intelligent and caring.

its a shame when even Obama supporters can't see the harm that Clinton and her surrogates are causing. This is out of hand and ridiculous!

[Raejeanowl]

68. Thank You, Sane and Rational Obama Supporter n/t

[madmom]

66. Some thing must be amiss with the Obama campaign, they are already setting the

ground work for it to be Clinton's fault if he looses.It's the same thing the msm does it's the same thing the repugs do repeat it often enough and people believe it to be true.

[Raejeanowl]

69. My Hope

If Obama loses due to this controversy, my hope is that African Americans and others realize that racism comes in many colors, and is unacceptable across the board. That it is NOT okay to trash "white america" from the pulpit or talk in terms of "typical" white behavior. That it is not okay to promulgate wing-nut "white government" conspiracy theories from what's supposed to be a Christian pulpit.

Most of all, that it's not okay for presidential candidates to lie and pretend they weren't a part of that kind of thinking. Goes a lot deeper to character than Bosnian sniper-fire exaggerations.

Dare I invoke MLK, who would be deeply ashamed of having his work and sacrifices undone because a few ministers wanting to "channel" him got carried away with their egos? I wish he were still around to clean house, because it wouldn't be tolerated long.

And I also hope that everyone comes to their senses before long and realizes that Clinton did not create the monster of black-on-white racism, but I guess everyone needs a scapegoat to blame, since they can't take personal responsibility for wading into the muck.