If you don't think HRC's tactics are driving away the AA vote, listen to Joe Madison in the AM

[Windy]

http://www.joemadison.com/


XM 169

He's on from 6 to 10.

Get an earful people and start thinking about telling Clinton to knock it off if you want to get a dem in the whitehouse in 2009, no matter who the nom is!!!!

Lets not grab defeat out of the jaws of victory please!! Not after the last 8 years!

[hiaasenrocks]

1. Maybe they're just going to a meeting.

[TheDebbieDee]

3. I've always loved your name.......

and Hiaasen does Rock!

[hiaasenrocks]

4. Thanks!

[goclark]

5. Not sure what you mean by that statement....Madison is right

Madison is right on the money.

[hiaasenrocks]

8. It'll come to ya. Or maybe someone will help you with it.

[Windy]

9. I agree with Madison. Wright made two great speeches over the weekend

the Clintons and the media are raking him over the coals. Its not going to go well for the dem party if HRC takes this election from obama on the basis of smear tactics and attacking a well respected african american preacher. I'm white and a 50 year old woman and I will not vote for her because of her tactics!

I'm just telling people to listen and get a feel for what is going to happen as a result of all this garbage, then contact the DNC and urge them to put an end to this before its too late.

[hiaasenrocks]

12. What was great about the speeches?

Did you like the conspiracy theories for which there is no proof? Or did you prefer the bullshit theme of "different does not mean deficient" coming from a man who said, "Everybody in here who isn't Indian do be an immigrant"? Different grammar? No deficiency there? He disproved his own nonsensical theme several times, not just with that one. There's also the butchering of the JFK quote, where he attacked a part of the quote he MADE UP. And of course the historical data that lacked accuracy and, well, any truth.

But he's a brilliant scholar!

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. And if you really believe what you are saying

you ARE a racist.

But I'll be generous and believe that you are just another hillbot, willing to sell out the democratic party and its principles just to get her back into the WH, and are therefore lying, just as she does.

[TheDebbieDee]

13. The Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) Meeting. Get it, now?

[goclark]

25. Are you referring to me, I am an African American

and if you are that let's me know who you really are ~

[TheDebbieDee]

26. No, I was explaining post # 1. You stated that you weren't

sure what the poster meant by the being at the meeting comment. And I was pointing out that the poster was making a joke by deliberately confusing Alcoholics Anonymous and African-American by playing on AA.

Oh, and I am African-American, and yes, I thought the post was funny!

[ej510]

2. I also recomend that people listen to Micahel baisden and Roland Martin.

[goclark]

6. Are they only on in the East?

[Windy]

11. I know Madison is on EST. I don't know about the others mentioned. n/t

I started listening to him when I was looking for an alternative to Bill Press after Air America moved Rachel and dumped the Young Turks.

Joe's great!

[ej510]

15. Yes vut you can listen on the web.

Black people are mad Jeremiah Wright right now. But if Hillary attacks him again she will get what she is getting now in the general. If she gets 8% of the black vote then she will get blown out by McCain.

[ampad]

17. I noticed that as well

Surfing on some of the AA boards I frequent it seems to be split. Some people think that it was great that Wright got out there and defended his church and others think that Wright is trying to bring Obama down because of jealousy. I have not had the pleasure of listening to the two speeches everyone is talking about. I did get the impression from KO that there is a rift between Obama and Rev. Wright.

[Lucky 13]

7. She doesn't need blacks.

Just like Bill didn't need the Southern working class. Screw 'em!
:eyes:

[ampad]

10. I think she knows what she is doing

Problem is I don't think she is smart enough to realize that it will hurt her in the GE.

[jasmine621]

14. What tactics? Trying to win? Not giving up? She is not guilty of

most of the things they accuse her of. According to them and many other Obama supporters, he is infallible, untouchable, and should never be quesationed or criticized. His out right lies (or mispeaks) are simply ignored by his supporters and the media while every thing Hillary or Bill Clinton says is labeled, framed, re-framed, spun, re-spun, mischaracterized, taken out of context, and presented as racist, race-baiting, lies and attacks. I now think that Obama would not be a good President but a danger to the country being supported by the fanatics out there and that includes the Dem party elites who seem to be blinded by Hillary and Bill hate to the extent that they are willing to support handing over the nation to another unproven, pampered, politically spoiled brat, "uniter."

[ej510]

16. Here is a link!

http://www.michaelbaisden.com/

[ej510]

18. I worry about Hillary killing more brown people. Maybe that might not

mean a damn thing to you, but it does to me.

[olkaz]

35. Nice strawman.

"According to them and many other Obama supporters, he is infallible, untouchable, and should never be quesationed or criticized."

None of the Obama supporters that I run around with have ever said that.

Projection much?

[truth please]

19. Madison is right!

I helped a lot of people to register Democratic before Bush was elected. These were a large portion of blacks that would never vote, because they felt it would not make a difference. Now with what is going on with Obama they are falling back to thinking whites will never vote for anyone other than themselves. The Bill Clinton they once loved is now a disappointment. They don't really care about Rev. Wright because they feel whites should see the real Obama instead of the caricature that is being painted of him. They take offense at what they feel is glee from the media and others at the way Obama is being treated. The Democratic party is going to lose a chunk of it's party over this one.

[ej510]

20. The democratic party at this moment ia hanging over the cliff.

Blacks are registering independent at a rapid rate. I alot of my friends have either left or are leaving the party over this shit.

[Nedsdag]

21. My seventysomething mother REFUSES to vote for Hillary.

It's so bad that she's considering McCain.

[ej510]

23. My father has said that if Hillary gets the nomination that he we vote for McCain.

I told him that McCain is a racist. He does not care.

[City Lights]

22. Thanks for the link. I'm going to tune in tomorrow. nt

[Tyler Durden]

27. JESUS would drive away the AA vote if he ran against Obama.

Tactics have nothing to do with this clusterfuck race.

To plagiarize Andrew Dice Clay:

Here's to BOTH of the Campaigns-SUCKIN' MY DICK.

[a kennedy]

28. Thank you, thank you, thank you, I listen to Joe Madison EVERY

day for 2/3 hours.....He's the best, and I get an education. :patriot:

[dcindian]

29. Look if this kind of tactics win with dems I am out.

Even if Obama takes her as a VP I will be out. She will also not get my vote for senator ever no matter who is running against her.

[barack the house]

30. It is plain and simple the party is defunct without the African American vote.

Note some of the AA vote is the feamle vote.

[babylonsister]

31. On the 2008 Primary and Black Anger

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x355946

On the 2008 Primary and Black Anger

The Clintons do not seem to understand that the kind of revulsion they are generating in what was once the heart of their base is not your garden-variety political frustration.


Terence Samuel | April 25, 2008 | web only

snip//

I have been taken aback by the depth of the anger, especially among people whose political maturity would have suggested a more measured response. The anger has gotten so visceral it forces the question not just of whether blacks would support Clinton in a fall campaign, but whether a Clinton win would lose Democrats the support of the next generation of black voters alltogether.

As I have said before, what the loser of the primary says after he or she drops out will be as important to victory in November as who the winner is. That was in February, however. Today, Clinton is almost certainly going to be the person making that all-important concession speech. Her all-or-nothing approach to the nomination suggests that she may not care much about her political career if she cannot be president, but, if she does, she is going to have trouble putting the old Clinton coalition back together without African Americans.

Clinton seems to believe that no matter how much damage she inflicts on Obama and the party to win the nomination she will survive because McCain will be fatally weakened by an ailing economy and an unpopular war. Clinton seems unwilling to pass up such a chance.

But the Clintons do not seem to understand that the kind of revulsion they are generating in what was once the heart of their base is not your garden-variety political frustration. It is born out of a historical anger that requires 25 minutes in the supermarket aisle or 900 words on the op-ed page of the New York Times to explain. The idea that Obama, having played by all the rules and won by all the traditional measures, could lose the nomination because of Clinton's argument that he is unelectable because he is black, is profoundly revolting to many black people.

The angst about white working-class voters and their influence in the battleground states has convinced many that, despite the seeming improbability of a Clinton triumph, Obama will not be allowed to win, because, in the end, he is black.

This is too cynical for me, but Clinton's argument that Obama is not electable because he does not appeal the working class white voters, feeds prejudices in order to benefit from them. Racism doesn't need racists to succeed.

Not that many black people are making that distinction these days.

[Windy]

32. thank you Babylon for posting this. People in the party need to wake up!

I wish people would really listen to Rev. Wright's speeches instead of resorting to the soundbite blitz in the media right now.

It certainly seems like there is a coordinated effort to stop Obama. In listening to the Madison show this morning, that is the sentiment that is out there in the African American community.

Why isn't the media pointing out the Rev. Wright was one of the pastors who was invited to the whitehouse after the lewinsky mess. Why isn't it pointed out by the media the Rev. Wright was in Vietnam and a Marine for 6 years. Why isn't it pointed out that Rev. Wright has relatives serving in Iraq? Why isn't it pointed out that his church has given hundreds of thousands of dollars to deserving kids to help them go to college?

Why? They want to keep the division up for their ratings. And why isn't Clinton speaking out against what is going on? Because it helping her and her surrogates are pushing the memo..

We are in a sorry state of affairs in this country and after the last 8 years and the mess our country has become, it is disgusting. The rest of the world will look upon us with further disdain. It will feed the perception, and maybe its correct, that the US is a backward racist nation...

[babylonsister]

33. The m$m has been disgraceful. They are flat-out lazy to boot.

Instead of providing 'real' news, and we all know there's plenty of that around to concentrate on, they go for the cheap soundbites and criticism. Their agenda is evident.

[Windy]

34. Agreed. They actions since the run up to the Iraq war have been a great disservice to this country.

[kentuck]

36. Hillary is "electable"...

Did anyone see Colbert last night? He showed several headlines about "electability". All of the headlines were from the 2004 election and were about John Kerry. Just because they say Hillary is "electable" does not make it so. Otherwise, John Kerry would be running for re-election today.

Of course, Hillary will lose a lot of the black vote. She will lose a lot more of the new voters of Obama. Contrary to all the polls, most of the new voters are voting for Obama, not the Democratic Party...

[babylonsister]

37. Thanks for the heads-up; I missed it last night, but Stewart/Colbert

are repeating now.

[NashVegas]

38. Which Tactics Would Those Be?

The one where she said it took a white president to fulfill MLK's dream? Nope, those were Obama supporters who inferred that and chose to be insulted.

The one where Bill called Obama's candidacy a fairy tale? Nope, that was taken out of context by Obama's campaign and unleashed on the world.

If anyone's driving away the AA vote, it's the Obama campaign, not Hillary Clinton.