For people in the electorate that have a problem with wright, exactly what is it...

[annie1]

that they have a problem with in relation to obama? just curious, b/c i personally can't see why it's so dramatic, but what do you guys think those are bothered with it are bothered about. again, not what bothers them about wright, but what bothers them about it in relation to bo. thanks.

[PseudoIntellect]

1. I was thinking almost this exact same question. rec.

What negative qualities attributed to Reverend Wright correlate to distinct negative qualities in Barack Obama? And where is the evidence that these negative qualities in Obama exist based on his past actions as a direct result of his relationship with Wright?

Is this an actual issue or a baseless discussion of who has the worst former pastor (which might not even be Obama) and who is therefore guilty by association?

I think when we look for negative affiliations, we do so out of fear and uncertainty of the actual character of a person we don't know very well. We try to pair up who they surround themselves with to who they are. When we know a person isn't that type of person, it's pointless to try and do that; it's self-defeating. I'm wondering what qualities Obama has taken from Wright and whether the bad qualities outweigh the good qualities.

[Bobbieo]

9. I'm trying to figure out how a preacher got involved in the primary in the first place.

Who brought him into this mess? He's now on the speakers circuit - selling a book - That figures!!!

I don't care how brilliant the man may be but what the hell is he doing in the middle of a presidential primary?

[PseudoIntellect]

19. I think Post #4 really sets the record straight.

If only someone could say that on FOX or something and not be instantly silenced.

[crankychatter]

2. couldn't find another Wright thread eh?

right

[pinkpops]

10. you cranky

[napi21]

3. The Rev. seems to always be the angry black man, so when Barack says

he didn't hear the hate speach over the course of 20 years, it's not believable.

I hate to say it, but I've really afraid the dear Rev. could be the one who killed Obama's hopes of becoming our President.

[annie1]

don't worry, i don't think people are going to continue to let their children die in war...

b/c of his preacher.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Interesting though....

Over the course of 20 years, the media was only able to pull out a few controversial snips. It's not like Wright said these things every Sunday for 20 years. To believe that is to believe the media narrative that has been foisted upon you.

[napi21]

16. A few days ago I would have agreed with you. I also thought it was

the media AGAIN snipping words here and there, but then I listened to him last night and again today. Two speaches in two days and both using the same nasty made at the world foundation. Sorry, but the Rev. convinced me within 24 hours that he's an angry old man who doesn't care about Barack and his future, even after Barack risked a lot of criticism to support him.

[emilyg]

23. I heard the two speeches. He's not doing Obama any good.

Wright seems to love being in the spot-light.

[napi21]

26. YEP! I don't think he has any intention to leave that limelight any time soon

either!

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Obama has the image of a nice black guy

The point is that this attack on Obama is an attempt to make him some kind of angry black man. The media and Obama's detractors want to scare white people into not voting for him.

Obama doesn't even have to say anything. Someone he knows says something and instantly he becomes the angry black man. It's a vicious and racist attack that I hope most people on DU do not support. I can only imagine what Black America is thinking right now. It's so horrible.

[annie1]

29. good point. and wright not realizing how the media works is a tool...

for going on every outlet he can. even if he did believe that he could explain his position, he should have known it could backfire. and he should have talked to barack first. ESPECIALLY!!!! if he wants to see the first black president! dumb move. that being said, i don't this derailment will last. media will get over it as soon as either hillary or mccain say something stupid. that's all the care about.

[pocoloco]

5. Coming face to face with the truth of what we have let

America become!

[CatsDogsBabies]

6. To me the focus on Wright just means that there is nothing

about Obama for people to focus all their negative attention. It is pretty disappointing to see people here so focused on it, especially those who are not Obama supporters. Even all they can do is think about Obama and talk about him. Why not focus on the candidates?

[pinkpops]

7. I think

Some are bothered that he won't distance himself more and some are pretending to be bothered that he wont distance himself more. The latter are those who are trying to find a reason to dis Obama.

There are also those who can't distinguish between Obama and Wright - like they can't distinguish between Sadam and Osama - they are that stupid

Thats what I think, Otherwise I agree with you. Wright is no crazier or more radical than many of us here on this conservative web site.

[annie1]

12. what bothers them about him not distancing himself. they find the guy...

racist or something? i can see people finding him bitter and resentful, but i can't figure much more than that. but i do know actually someone who says he's racist. hmmm. it's sorta weird.

[pinkpops]

25. I'll tell you a story about my day today -

Where I work is a cafeteria where there are 30 or so tables and a couple of TVs. Around breakfast time I noticed the press club was on one of the TVs, so I stood in front of it watching and listening - I don't have cable and rarely get to see live events like Rev Wright speaking. There were several tables full of people seemingly unaware of the event I was watching. They were laughing and carrying on about who knows what. So they didn't hear a word of what he was saying. I'm sure they did hear a "summary" on the news, and you can bet it was jucy. Also the paper tomorrow morning will likely have some tidbits on page 2. So really, the power is in the hands of the media. This is what Wright himself has been saying, I believe.

[annie1]

28. i agree the media has way too much power. that is one of the reasons....

i can't stand this election. honestly, no matter what you think of hillary, they are so fucking ugly to her. they have had way too much power in this primary, it's really sickening. i never watch cable news unless there are voting results, i stopped watching after IA and NH. such bullshit.

[anonymous171]

11. He's a media attention whore, no matter how intelligent he is.

Unless Obama puts a stop to this the media will keep bringing him up, over and over again.

[annie1]

14. the guy is totally an attention whore. maybe he thought he was doing the...

right thing by clearing the air? i actually thought it would work, but then again, it's totally media driven, it's so silly. i'm not crazy about obama, but i hate watching crap like this transpire. so dumb.

[truedelphi]

21. WTF are you talking about?? The man is a preacher, who has spent decades

Intelligently listening to his community.

He articluates what has been going on inside the communities where the people of color used to have to live.

Like he says, Wright is very much surprised as each day his words are being labeled as being divisive. It is NOT his words that are divisive - it is the policies that his words are describing that is divisive.


The media has chosen to bring forward the 45 second sound byte from years ago and use it to slime and slander Obama. And at the same time that they bring the same tired sound byte into play, they pretend to lament the "fact" that Obama and Wright aren't letting this die down.

As if Obama and Wright control the media.

[2rth2pwr]

13. It tells me something about the judgment of Obama.

[annie1]

15. hmmm. ok. i see that. what part of the judgement would have been off....

his lack of foresight into not staying so closely involved with someone who could be seen as very offensive to people, or his judgement re: finding this guy credible, or his not being turned off by someone being extreme, or what? thanks.

[truedelphi]

24. Well isn't it obvious by now - Obama should put a deadlyhit on Wright so that Wright can't go about

Preaching and lecturing and saying salient things that White America is upset about. (Though had the media not put this tremendous "spin" on the issue White America wouldn't be upset.)

I guess that is what it will take - for Obama tio take him out and kill him.

That would be proof of something. But I imagine the pundits would have a problem with that too!

[2rth2pwr]

30. Those three are a pretty good start, also he chose to give this man $25,000

last year (year before?). What the hell was he thinking?

[annie1]

31. that's right! oh man, btwn the 25K and this guy buying himself a 10k sf house...

those 2 things together make him seem a little naive to me. but then again, don't a lot of people do that? thythe? still.

[2rth2pwr]

33. Hey, more power to the guy and big home. But to go around talking down the country

and how the black man can't make it at the same time seems a little off.

[annie1]

34. yeah. RICH WHITE FOLK! then it was actually his church that paid for his new home iirc.

[Ashy Larry]

20. Hillary supported the invasion of Iraq.

And has stated her intention of "obliterating" Iran. Obama has a nutty pastor. Which is worse?

[pinkpops]

27. Clinton chooses her nutty remarks carefully to appeal to the

base human instincts such as fear and thirst for revenge.

[2rth2pwr]

32. She did not support the invasion of Iraq, she also did not say she intends to

obliterate Iran. She was stating the policy toward Iran and our capabilities.

"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them," she said.

"would be able to" is the restating of the current deterrent.

[PseudoIntellect]

35. Here's the extended quote.

"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran," Clinton said. "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them."

Attack, not obliterate, but still a direct statement of intent to attack.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Vote2008/story?id=4698059

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there but she does regret "the way the president used the authority."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/

[Patsy Stone]

17. In all the media's blathering

no one has come right out and told me why I was supposed to be so upset.

[Armstead]

18. Wright is muddying the pond for Obama

[Swamp Rat]

22. M$M spin.

It's really not important, but there are some folks who want us to believe it is.

Fool me once...