If Obama Can't Attack Hillary's Soft White Underbelly (Outsourcing To India) He's Incompetent

[KittyWampus]

Obama hasn't managed to dominate a news cycle in weeks.

He COULD have ended the "bitter" crap by calling out Hillary & McCain using two words "Wedge Issue" and challenging them loudly on whether they knew what it meant.

He COULD have ended the lapel pin by saying he doesn't wear his patriotism on his lapel or religion on his sleeve.
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He COULD have risen to this Wright crap by telling every Mediawhore that asks "What if we looped the 5 stupiest things YOU'VE ever said constantly".

It seems Obama's campaign can't deal with turbulence. And they haven't discovered the value of directly challenging the Mediawhores themselves.

Everyone hates the Mediawhores. Left and Right. Taking them on, like Wes Clark does, works.

He's already been branded an "elitist" and Hillary is Norma Rae.

Just hanging on to a slim pledged delegate lead is WEAK.

pro-Hillary 527's are set to hammer Obama in Indiana on jobs.

WHY THE FUCK DOESN"T HIS CAMPAIGN USE HILLARY'S OUTSOURCING QUOTE?

She is the one who called herself Senator Punjab several times.

She's the one who has taken huge money from Indian businessmen. Along with Bill.

If Obama's campaign doesn't use "Hillary cares more about jobs for India than Indiana" he's toast.

Outsourcing to India is Hillary's soft-white underbelly. It's a disgrace Obama's campaign doesn't use it.

[anonymous171]

1. I agree. HE NEEDS TO ATTACK HER! SHE'S SOO VULNERABLE!

[oneofthepeople]

85. Key word being ATTACK

That might be what the GOP and Hillary use.

Obama is better then that.

Most reasonable people see ATTACKING as diminishing, self serving with few returns.

Hillary keeps digging her own hole. All we have to do is observe it.

[John Q. Citizen]

2. When are you running? You make it sound so easy. How much do you charge for advising campaigns?

Got a resume?

[anonymous171]

3. You don't think this would work?

[John Q. Citizen]

52. Work to do what? He's on track to have won a majority of all the pledged delegates

on May 20th.

That means he wins the nomination, if you believe what the party leadership and the super delegates have been saying repeatedly for the last 3 months.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5727692

Obama is still gaining with the supers also.

He's running a brilliant campaign.

If you think it would work, then why don't you run and try it out against your opponent? If it doesn't work as you thought it might, then maybe you won't be elected.

I trust the Obama campaign to do what they need to win this. I doubt they need me to call them incompetent and demand that they attack Hillary to win this.

[KittyWampus]

4. I know enough about people and politics to see Hillary's soft white underbelly EXPOSED.

[John Q. Citizen]

48. So why aren't you making the big bucks? Look, Obama has run a brilliant campaign, he's got

very capable people working for him, people who have run and won a lot of campaigns.

Why do you suppose if you see that, that they don't? And why do you suppose they make the choices they do?

It's easy to be an armchair quarterback; no responsibility, no real insight into why the campaign makes the choices they do.

There could be a number of very good reasons that the campaign doesn't read DU and take your advice. Yet you express it as if, if they don't take your advice they are somehow blowing it.

I have zero problem with you posting your opinion, yet I wish you would post it as your opinion instead of like "If the Obama campaign doesn't do x y z they are idiots, etc."

Right now, I don't see any way that Obama isn't going to win a majority of the pledged delegates on May 20th. That will make him the winner of the primaries. If he goes negative against Clinton, do you think that could change things?

Going negative against Clinton might be a very bad idea. Maybe it's a great idea. Yet I trust his campaign to decide what they need to do, and it won't bother me a whit if he doesn't go negative against Clinton just as long as he wins a majority of the pledged delegates. Winning the nomination is more important to me than is letting Hillary have it with both barrels

[tabasco]

5. Time to do a Harry Truman on Hillary.

Just tell the truth about her.

She will think he's giving her hell.

Obama has been too restrained. It's time to put Hillary and her rotten campaign out of business.

[anonymous171]

7. I agree. No smears, just facts.

[jody]

6. BO can't oppose outsourcing without offending his corporate sponsors. n/t

[anonymous171]

8. Hillary's been lying about it from day 1. It's time Obama called her on it.

[jody]

17. BO's advisers know a president cannot function without support of the corporatist party. n/t

[bhikkhu]

69. And HRC has that support in pocket?

[jody]

83. I did not say that. n/t

[WillyT]

9. Jesus... He Knows That She's Trying To Suck Him Into A Mud Fight...

And once he engages, he's lost his very reason for running.

:shrug:

[anonymous171]

10. This isn't mud. He would attack with truth.

She's lying to the good people of Indiana.

[John Q. Citizen]

55. Maybe you should write a letter to the editor and let them know. If you think it's important enough

[KittyWampus]

11. exposing Hillary's soft-white underbelly isn't a mud-fight. It's simply calling attention

to the truth.

[geek tragedy]

12. He's going to lose unless he drops this 'politics of hope' crapola.

People want a street fighter, not a hall monitor.

[anonymous171]

13. Politics of Hope can involve attacks. Just not smears.

[geek tragedy]

19. Same difference. He needs to destroy Clinton, completely

and utterly burn her and her reputation to the ground.

He's showing himself to lack the killer instinct.

[anonymous171]

22. I agree with you. But he doesn't have to abandon the "Politics of Hope."

[geek tragedy]

24. Voters don't give a shit about the politics of hope.

They care about the politics of improving the economy and preventing them from losing their home.

[John Q. Citizen]

57. Why? He's going to win the nomination anyway. Why go negative? So you feel better?

[KittyWampus]

14. Exactly, if he's not willing to fight, people sense that. And now HILLARY has taken up that rhetoric

Ugh

[WillyT]

15. And Then Politics Will NEVER Change... And We Will Get What We Deserve...

as a nation.

:shrug:

[geek tragedy]

18. The essence of politics will never change.

It was foolish to believe otherwise.

[nebula]

51. Hell yes they do

if he can't even take on his opponents in the primary how the hell can we expect him to take on the dirty Washington politics as a President?

[Gore1FL]

16. He doesn't need to.

At this point he's better off ignoring her and concentrating on the contest ahead.

[KittyWampus]

21. then how do you propose he change the media narrative, dominate a news cycle?

Win Indiana?

[Gore1FL]

I don't knopw that he needs to.

He's really close to wrapping this up, even if it means 41% wins from here on out.

[KittyWampus]

26. you mean 41% LOSES. Sorry, that's weak. And by the time the GE comes along-he's permanently

branded as a weak, elitist loser who doesn't fight back.

[Gore1FL]

39. Not really

He did better when he parried the attacks than when he lunged back.

41% of the the remaining delegates gives him the nomination.

[John Q. Citizen]

61. You are wasting you superior intellect here on DU. I bet there are a ton of POTUS candidates that

wish they had your insight and strategic political science abilities.

You are dumber than the Obama campaign if you just waste it here man.

Why didn't you demand to go to work for somebody and make them president?

It's sooo obvious.

I mean, you are a freaking political genius

[geek tragedy]

27. He's guaranteed to lose Indiana--too many white people

and it's too conservative and rust belt and racist.

He should have played it like being within 8 points was a good result.

[John Q. Citizen]

58. He doesn't need to.

[geek tragedy]

23. He's in REAL danger of losing the nomination.

Every day that goes by he becomes less electable.

He's going to look really damn unelectable when he loses IN by 10 points.

[ProSense]

30. No, Hillary still can't win. It's over. n/t

[geek tragedy]

31. Sure she can win it. The remaining superdelegates can

all vote for her.

And that's looking like a smarter move with each day that goes by as his campaign continues to implode.

[ProSense]

37. "The remaining superdelegates can all vote for her."

But they will not. Also, their votes plus a best case scenario for Hillary in the remaining contest would still leave her 100 delegates short.

In other words, that scenario is a fantasy when there is still no clear path to the nomination.

[geek tragedy]

40. No. If all 200 uncommitted Superdelegates vote for her, she's

the nominee.

[John Q. Citizen]

64. If you rounded up a million $100 donations for Hill, she wouldn't be broke. Now get going!

[KittyWampus]

42. you know, even IF/WHEN he gets nominated, he'll still be a milquetoast elitist

who doesn't fight back or go in for the kill.

I'm not talking about a clumsy, bloodthirsty kill.

More like a Sean Connery 007 kill :)

[John Q. Citizen]

65. Ahh, well, everybody has an opinion.

[nebula]

53. Its stupid for him to think like that

If Obama rests now he is doomed for sure.

Don't take anything for granted!

[John Q. Citizen]

66. Winning isn't resting. But going for the bait is stupid. And he's not stupid

[nebula]

71. Letting your guard down when you're ahead

provides a good opportunity for your opponent to catch up to you.

It's a bad idea. Being on the defensive all the time is also a bad idea.

And Obama has been on the defensive ever since it started.

[John Q. Citizen]

73. Yet he's going to get the majority of pledged delegates on May 20th. And

he keeps gaining ground daily on the Super delegates.

Patience, grasshopper, patience.

Ever see Alli play rope a dope? 3 times world champion, and everybody in their seats screaming, "hit him, hit him, why doesn't he hit him."

Winning the nomination isn't as easy or as simple as many assume. I'm sold on his team. They are running a brilliant campaign.

[nebula]

72. It will be a Pyhrric victory

if Obama lets this thing get to the convention.

It will likely destroy his chances in the GE.

He needed to put her away once and for all, he has failed to do that.

[John Q. Citizen]

74. It isn't going to the convention. And he will never put her away. He will let her put herself away.

It's better for a lot of reasons. Even if you can't seem to understand that.

[nebula]

76. She is very much alive and kicking

she can still do much to cripple him in the GE, whether she gets the nom or not.

[John Q. Citizen]

77. You aren't suggest he "Wellstone" her are you?

[nebula]

78. Don't be ridiculous

read what the OP has said.

He needs to put her on the defensive a bit more, do what the OP suggested.

Or at least have his surrogates do so. In case you haven't noticed, he is getting mauled on all sides right now, by the media, Hillary and McCain, and he is going on as if this race was some kind of polite tea party. He needs to have the ability to change gears and tactics when the occasion calls for it. Latest AP polling show his approval rating dropping fast. He needs to do something to reverse that trend. This nice guy routine is NO LONGER cutting it. he will continue to bleed all the way to the convention if he fails to shift gears.

[nebula]

79. His opponents have put this race into over drive

but Obama is still stuck in low gear.

[Gore1FL]

34. A 10 point loss is actually above his needed rate.

he needs to win 41% of the remaining delegates.

[geek tragedy]

44. Superdelegates still exist.

And, if the pledeged delegate gap is under 50 including MI and FL, they're voting for Clinton en masse.

Obama is looking WEAK and HELPLESS.

[Gore1FL]

49. She would still need more than 60% of those

if she could get 60% of the pledged.

FL and MI don't have any delegates.

[John Q. Citizen]

67. Well Hillary IS losing and she's broke. And she's looking vindictive and meanspirited.

Why isn't that working for her?

[ProSense]

20. All he needs to do is stick to the facts

Adwatch on Clinton ''Jobs'' Ad

[KittyWampus]

25. well, that's nice and all. But a page on Obama's website doesn't change the media narrative

[ProSense]

29. The media promoted the Iraq war. Do you really think they care? n/t

[KittyWampus]

36. It's a matter of forcing them to cover what YOU want them to cover. And finding the right

angle is what this thread is about. Obama's campaign has been too passive.

Obama needs to deliver some soundbite that FORCES them to pay attention to what he wants to get across.

[anonymous171]

38. Exactly. Obama should launch a huge assault on Hillary's honesty tommorow morning

[ProSense]

43. Complete lunacy. You're running around here crying about Wright,

but you want Obama to launch a massive assault on Hillary?

Lunacy!

[anonymous171]

45. Why? It changes the media's "narrative" and takes their attention off Wright

He has the money.

[John Q. Citizen]

68. And he has a lot more brains than you do, too. Which is why he's where he's at, and you are where

you are at.

[ProSense]

41. Forcing them? Do you know how the media works?

Who is forcing them to smear Wright?

[KittyWampus]

46. either Obama does something to change the media narrative or he's toast. If not

in the Dem primary, then in the GE.

It's that simple.

[ProSense]

50. That's nonsense! n/t

[bhikkhu]

70. The media narrative has yet to change votes.

They've been flaying this for weeks now and it hasn't had an impact in the polls. I think most people would say they are tedious fools, and HRC seems to be on the wrong side again.

[Skwmom]

28. Her achilles heel is her DISHONESTY and her inappropriate laughing and babbling.

She can't handle pressure.

[anonymous171]

32. And that's where he should attack her.

Label her as a liar and she's done.

[geek tragedy]

33. He won't do it. He's too goody-two shoes to scrap.

And it will cost him the nomination.

[anonymous171]

35. The GOP will do it to her in the fall and she will lose because of it.

[Cha]

47. We'll see.

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[Bread and Circus]

54. You might be right but I think it's more like this...

1.) The Obama camp is almost certain they will win no matter what.

2.) If number 1 is true, then it's a damn good idea NOT to piss off her core supporters (grey hair women, mainly).

I think it's that simple.

If number 1 is correct, and he's already won, then there's absolutely nothing to be gained by being a dick.

Hillary and Bill Clinton have been a couple racist pigs (sorry folks, when you use racism to your advantage you are a racist in my book) as of late. If by some miracle she wins the nomination, it's going to be really hard for her to regain support with a vast swath of Obama supporters.

Right now, it's fairly FUBAR'd as it is because Hillary and Bill have done a damn fine job of fucking everything up.

However, aside from being a dick (which would be bad imo), Obama and the gang need to get back ahold of the news cycles. However, that may well be damn impossible at is seems the media is in the tank for McCain.

[nebula]

59. That logic is ass-backwards.

Why would they be mad at Obama for telling the truth?

Her supporters would be far more pissed off at HILLARY once they learned the truth about her!

[Bread and Circus]

62. That's not how it works with people, sorry.

[nebula]

63. That's your opinion.

and its a misguided one.

Look where taking the passive, polite approach got Kerry in '04, and Gore in 2000?

Lets not go through that same crap again.

[Bread and Circus]

86. It's not a matter of opinion. You push people, they push back. Even children know this.

[KittyWampus]

60. If Obama doesn't show he can FIGHT, he'll lose the GE if not the nomination.

IMO, limping along the rest of the way to the nomination, being branded by Hillary, McCain, and the Mediawhores as an elitist milquetoast is not a viable option.

[Bread and Circus]

87. I think it's just a matter of picking the right battles. Nuking Clinton right now would be...

counterproductive.

The only way I'd be wrong is if Obama stood a fair chance to lose and if that's correct, then you'd be right and he should go for the throat. Only time will tell because it's obvious Obama is not gonna "go there".

[quakerboy]

75. IF we could stop trying to dictate to the winner

how he should conduct his business, then we would all have lower blood pressure.

[KittyWampus]

82. Obama is no longer winning. He is losing his way to the nomination and getting trashed

and branded in the process.

[BeyondGeography]

80. Because that D-Punjab memo worked out so well...

Forget it.

[KittyWampus]

81. again, those were Hillary's OWN WORDS. If Obama's camp is too stupid too use this

with Hillary having said this multiple times, they are incompetent.

They should have known better than apologize. It's almost aways better to turn shit around on your attacker.

[smiley_glad_hands]

84. I'd like to see a few gut shots myself, but I don't think he's that kind of politician. eom