The Clinton Campaign Has Not Been Ahead EVER.

[peoli]

Hillary is running a pipe dream, a delusion, a but wait, gotcha campaign. She has not ever been ahead in pledged delegates. Not for one single day of this entire campaign. We have all been deluded into thinking, considering, pondering the idea that she may be stronger, that she may win this thing.

The facts are here. Lets review.

Iowa - FAIL
New Hampshire - FAIL
Nevada - FAIL
South Carolina - FAIL

Then came February 5th. Super Duper Extra Special Looper Tuesday.
What happened that day? The day it was supposed to be over?

FAIL

February 9th, 4 more contests. Result.

FAIL

The Entire month of February was

FAIL

Then came March. Remember Ohio and Texas and a few others? Remember all the Hillmentum? How many delegates did she pick up in March?

NONE. SHE LOST 5.

FAIL

SHE HAS BEEN STRINGING US ALL ALONG, WASTING EVERYONES MONEY, CLINGING TO A HOPELESS PIPE DREAM, NOT HELPING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. SHE HAS NEVER BEEN AHEAD AND NEVER WILL BE. HER CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT SPIN. SHE LOST. SHE NEEDS TO MOVE OUT OF THE WAY.

[BeatleBoot]

1. So sorry

See you in Denver!

:hi:

Rev Wright sends his good wishes!

[Hawkeye-X]

36. FAIL.

And I'll see you at your grave in a week or so..

[Skip Intro]

2. AHHHHHH! TOO MUCH DEMOCRACY!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. Nice to hear the facts for a change!

the truth instead of the spin

[Bigleaf]

4. Nor will they. It's over.

[Cha]

5. Thanks, horsey.

Reality..sucks for hilary.

[dailykoff]

34. Ditto.

:kick:

[crankychatter]

6. just the facts

nothing like the truth to send a delusional person into high warble

for her sake and the party's... let's hope she doesn't melt down on national television like Joe McCarthy

k/r for important to remember FACTS

[cliffordu]

7. THAT'S WRIGHT!!!! SHE'S

[chill_wind]

8. The MSM has worked very hard to HELP her keep the myth- the LIE

of a "very close race" alive. Too few of her supporters seem to want to ask themselves why that's been so.

[C_U_L8R]

9. Not to mention all the Super Delegates

coming over to Obama every day.... in spite of
Hillary's best laid machinations.

[Moochy]

10. Thanks for posting this

:kick:

[ampad]

11. Amazing isn't it?

It's like through the looking glass. The only good thing about this is the fact that her supporters come up with the funniest arguments of why she is ahead: popular vote only counts, green states only count, big states only count and so on. I say green states because hell with some of them there might as well be a green state.

[FrenchieCat]

12. You are correct......she never, ever, ever was ahead of Obama.......

Not even for a second!

And now, she down to her and her team (media, Pubs, Freepers, etc....) playing Psyche OPs to try and get us to give up.

NOT THIS TIME!

[Ravy]

13. But it takes delegates to win, not just pledged delegates. Nice try, though. NT

[BlueIdaho]

15. And why exactly

Should the SDs turn their back on a proven winner like Obama and install HRC as their queen? What exactly has she done that is so damn amazing besides coming in second time and time again?

[Ravy]

23. They can come up with reasons. I will list some, though I don't agree

that any particular one is a good measure of who has the best chance of being elected.

1) When the votes for the Democratic primaries are applied with the same rules that candidates will be using in the November elections, Clinton has already secured a victory (winner take all, electoral votes, rather than the district-weighted proportional system we are using for primaries).

2) She may well lead in national popular vote.

3) She almost certainly leads in votes by Democrats. Of the massive independent vote going to Obama currently, and the millions he has registered just for this election, he only leads her nationally by a few hundred thousand votes.

If I had to bet, I think the Pelosi crowd is going to go with Obama based on pledged delegates and that will be enough to put him over the top. But there are reasons enough that a SD could justifiably vote for either candidate.


I think it is a cop-out to vote based solely on one criteria, particularly on pledged delegate totals. The SD's very reason for existance is to add a dimension that can't be measured by pledged delegates alone.

[peoli]

24. yeah but 'the one criteria' you are talking about is the votes of the American people.

[Ravy]

25. Weighted votes, if you go by the pledged delegates.

Personally, I favor popular vote by state, just like in the GE. Secondly, I would go with national popular vote, but in the case of the primary season, it underrepresents caucus states.

[WeDidIt]

26. Answer to all of your points

1) If we change the rules to something other than teh candidates werte operating under and formulating strategies under, Hillary wins.

2) If we disreagard 13 caucuses and count states that, at the outset, were ruled to not count, Hillary wins.

3) If we make estimates and disregard 13 caucuses to make a guess as to how many registered Democrats voted for Hillary Clinton, even though the estimate falls within the margin of error for the exit polls used to surmise the estimate, Hillary wins.

FAIL

[Ravy]

28. It would be you that is changing the rules here.

The rules do not say that superdelegates vote for whoever gets the most pledged delegates. Period.

They can consider anything, and many of them will consider lots of things. It is their job.

[high density]

27. The "national popular vote" and other "vote" totals are not valid numbers

...Unless you want most of the caucus states to go uncounted. I spent over four hours participating in the Maine caucus, yet there is no "vote" registered for me or anybody else in my state. We elected state delegates. There is no "popular vote" in our system.

If the game was going to be popular vote or electoral votes, the rules should have been set up that way. If the SDs want to overturn the pledged delegates, that is their option, but looking at a flawed "popular vote" is not a good reason to do that. The super delegates are not going to ignore Obama's fundraising power, his ability to draw in new Democrats, or his pledged delegate lead.

[Ravy]

29. They have the raw vote numbers from most, if not all, caucus states.

I fail to see how giving individual votes more weight according to the district they vote in as being a valid number, too, but that happens.

[druidity33]

31. wow

when someone uses the phrases "may well", ""almost certainly" and "if i had to bet", they set my spidey sense tingling.

Do you really expect me to believe you're NOT talking outta your butt with parsing like that?


:shrug:

[AllentownJake]

33. That is possible

If she had to talk a small number of them into that logic. However convincing 70% of them of those reasons...not probable.

[onenote]

38. the problem(s) with your reasons for SDs supporting Hillary

1) The party's decision to go to proportional balloting rather than winner take all dates back to McGovern's win when his 5% margin in California translated into a massive delegate victory and nothing for the second place candidates. The SDs, who are politicians with a better sense of political history than the average person, aren't going to suddenly decide that the system that put McGovern on the ticket was actually a better approach.

2) Hillary doesn't lead in the popular vote unless you pretend that not a single person in Michigan supports Obama. And again, the SDs are not stupid people. They aren't going to pretend something they know is obviously untrue. So Michigan is basically out of the equation and Obama still leads in the popular vote.

3) Obama's strength among independent voters is a plus,not a minus, from the perspective of the SDs who, as politicians, know full well that the key to a victory is pulling independent voters.


So that would be three strikes and, you're out.

[Ravy]

41. 2) I wouldn't count Michigan in the popular vote if I was doing it,

but I would count Florida.

If I was going to count Michigan, I would divide the undecideds between Clintons and Obama.

3) Yes, Independent voters are a plus, but Democratic Voters in a Democratic primary would hold more weight for me.

[CatsDogsBabies]

14. It came unhinged early on.

Why are people letting all this Wright distraction keep them from seeing the real state of HRC's campaign?

[BenDavid]

16. well hell...really....kinda like nascar, you can lose every lap as

long as you win the last one.....in basketball you can be behind for 3 quaters 11 minutes and 58 seconds of the fourth but if you are ahead at the buzzer you win. Kinda like Sea Biscuit the greatest horse that always came from behind......

[Moochy]

18. maybe like all those things

but not so democratic.

[peoli]

21. Your basketball analogy was right. 2 seconds left, down by 20 points. Its kinda hard to win.

[BenDavid]

46. Well hell, HRC is coaching furiously, and once she runs the

old picket fence on obama and blocks him from winning NC and Ind., obama will only have .3 seconds left before he goes down to defeat.

[quakerboy]

17. Not true

before anyone had voted, she was ahead.

[barack the house]

19. It is a very valid point where do they get the nerve that they earned it.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. You guys are having a tough day, huh?

:hug:

[PseudoIntellect]

22. Nice fallacy.

[azmouse]

30. The MSM will never report these facts.

It's sad and pathetic how they still treat this like she has a chance.

[dailykoff]

32. NEVER. Who knew.

Are we getting rick rolled or what?

[crankychatter]

35. have i kicked this lately?

yup

[dailykoff]

42. I don't think so.

:kick:

[ms liberty]

37. yes she was...until citizens actually started voting! n/t

[Bigleaf]

39. I'm sure she's always lead in debt and debts gone to collection.

[Frank Booth]

40. Just try to ignore her. When it really comes down to it, she's about as relevant as Dennis Kucinich

right now.

[dailykoff]

43. Obama Supporters: Let's Stop Pretending

that Bushllary has a chance of getting this nomination. She can't and she won't, so you can ditch the moist-eyed "let's get behind both our fine candidates" threads.

[Lisa0825]

44. kick

:kick:

[JimGinPA]

45. Math Is Even More Sexist Now

:rofl:

K&R