Make no mistake about it, the Rev. Wright "affair" is a vicious assault on Black America

[Cali_Democrat]

I can only imagine what Black America is thinking right now. This is a coordinated attack against Obama by the GOP, the corporate-media and certain Hillary supporters to paint Obama as the stereotypical "angry black man."

Don't be fooled. This is not an attempt to put words into Obama's mouth. I guarantee you at least 90% of Americans don't think that Obama believes the US govt created AIDS or did other dastardly deeds like that. They know Obama doesn't believe these things.

This is simply an attempt to paint Obama as the stereotypical "angry black man." For over a year now Obama has been able to transcend race and get many whites to vote for him. The powers that be want to tear away this support in order to bring Obama down.

The goal is to merge Wright and Obama into a single individual, an "angry black man." They're are doing this by taking snippets of Wright's speeches out of context. By his association with Wright, the corporate-media wants to conjure up this image in an attempt to prevent whites from voting for him.

Whether we like it or not, the fact is that MANY white Americans have a stereotypical image of the black male. The stereotypical black male is devious, lazy and angry. Wright yells in many of his sermons to get his point across and this is the problem. Many Americans see anger in Wright. By extension, the corporate-media wants Americans to see anger in Obama.

It's a vicious and racist assault that needs to be condemned. I'm just so shocked that many Hillary supporters don't care and will do anything to get her the nomination. I expected this from the corporate-media and the GOP. I didn't expect this from Hillary supporters here on DU. It's shameful. I can only imagine what Black America is thinking right now.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. LOL!

good one.

Oh wait... you're serious? Holy fuck!

[KittyWampus]

2. And yet ANOTHER thread on Wright. Saying the exact same fucking thing.

[DearAbby]

3. Indeed it is

[Ellen Forradalom]

4. The corporate media is vicious to all Democrats

So why are you singling out DU Hillary supporters?

[Binka]

14. Dear God Did You READ The Op?

Shame on you. Shame. Your name means counter revolution? Good fucking Jesus on a trike. Shame and a pox on you. You stink.

[Ellen Forradalom]

41. Chill out.

I won't in respond in kind because I have too much respect for you.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. Who is Black America?

[Yossariant]

66. Many white people are convinced it's one guy.

[WillyT]

6. Yep... And An Especially Cowardly Attack By Proxy...

It will be amazing if the Democratic Party will be able to hold on the the African-American vote at all if this continues.

:banghead:

[Voltaire]

37. They won't be able to hold onto the black vote

But they think its worth the gamble. The Clintons believe that they can shit on us all they want to, and we'll come crawling back if we want a seat at the table. And why wouldn't they think that way, that's how society....even well meaning members of society, treat African Americans. Well they've lost me as a democrat and I hope NONE of us comes back.

[Maddy McCall]

7. Wait. Let me get this straight. The GOP, the media, and us HRC supporters....

somehow made Wright go on the speech circuit and say the things he did, and it was all a plan to make Obama look like your stereotype of black men?

Bwahahahahaha...

This place gets much more entertaining around midnight.


:rofl:

[Cali_Democrat]

8. not all HRC supporters

[Maddy McCall]

9. Well which ones, exactly?

OMG...you're serious about this?

LOL!

[jackson_dem]

13. Don't forget the NAACP, which invited Wright to speak to them

We know how the NAACP hates blacks. :sarcasm:

[Voltaire]

15. Are you saying the NAACP attcked him too

or are you simply deranged?

[jackson_dem]

20. Rev. Wright's media tour is due to Rev. Wright, not some big conspiracy

That is what I am saying. The fact the NAACP event was the first leg of Wright's media tour shows how ridiculous this conspiracy theory is.

[Maddy McCall]

23. If you're going to sling around the "deranged" insult...

you might best aim your slinger at the OP.

[Voltaire]

24. Why would I do that? I'm black and I agree

Are you gonna be a good missy or massa and tell me how I should think too?? Seems to be the in-thing to do in America these last few days.

[MonkeyFunk]

27. Maddy's a woman!

I'm sick of you fucking sexists.

[Voltaire]

29. I did say Missy or Massa did I not???

nt

[Maddy McCall]

30. Monkeyfunk is gay.

How dare you be a homophobe to him.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. (giggle)

HI Maddy!

It's been a good day to be a Clinton supporter, hasn't it?

[Maddy McCall]

36. Wonderful day.

It's like pulling up to the gas pump and seeing that someone set it a dollar/gallon less than what it should be.

:D

[MonkeyFunk]

43. The meltdown among Obama fans here

makes Chernobyl look like a grease fire.

They should hope he doesn't get the nomination - they don't seem to have the fortitude to withstand a general election campaign.

[Voltaire]

44. You Enjoy HRC as president

Check back here when you realize its more of the same old shit, only this time wearing a skirt.

[MonkeyFunk]

54. She rarely wears skirts

so your premise is flawed. In other words,

[2rth2pwr]

52. LOL!

[guyanakoolaid]

60. Ironically that has the same weight of the "sexist" chants y'all used to thrown around

Funny you don't hear that as much now that the Clinton campaign is in race-baiting overdrive.

[BenDavid]

10. Most blacks are trying to understand how a man that is

supposed to be as smart and intelligent as obama could allow himself to be in that church were the pastor preached hate. How a man like obama would not leave the church unless he was beholding to someone and could not.
Many blacks do not go to Sunday services and hear hatred against their fellow man and that is why many in this great community are upset as if pastor wright was speaking for all black churches. He is not, and many see that obama is speaking out against this preacher because he was forced too.

It is a shame but obama knew sooner then later it would come out. He can be thankful to the whoremedia that maybe kept this under wraps for a year and allowed him to be where he is today. If this were to have come out the week before super tuesday obama would be over....

Oh Hrc IS GOING TO WIN THE NOMINATION AND WIN THE PRESIDENCY. Maybe by 2016 obama will have shaken pastor wright off and will be a viable candidate.....

[WillyT]

12. Here... Have Some More...

:rofl:

[Voltaire]

22. You black?

just askin

[scarletwoman]

25. I take it you are black, and have been appointed to speak for "most blacks".

I have to assume this -- because otherwise, how could anyone NOT black have such incredible chutzpah as to assert that they know what "most blacks are trying to understand"?

sw

[Voltaire]

28. I have appointed myself only

To call bullshit on all this white caterwauling about the rantings of some jacklegged preacher. Totally. Manufactured. Bullshit. The only people it would be of ANY importance to would be dumbasses....make that Dumbasses Americanus. Of which there are millions, sad to say.

[truth please]

74. Please don't speak for black people.

Unless you are black you have no idea what we think.

[genna]

76. You said many blacks, right?

How do you know what kind of sermons many blacks hear?

What cross section of black America did you take a sample poll from?

Where are your facts?

Democrats do not choose nominees they have passed over. This is Obama and Clintons' one shot at the presidency on the Democratic ticket. If one of them loses this primary, their chances are slim at having a second bite at the apple.


As for that stuff about Clintons losing the black vote, I have no idea which way black Americans will lean if Hillary is the nominee. By now, I think African Americans have accepted disappointment in our racial progress as being the normative standard. What is one more demonstration that our fears and anxieties are a reality? Why does it matter than Obama won more states, earned more pledged delegates, ran a 50 state strategy, and has received more donations than anyone who has ever ran a presidential campaign?

I plan to vote for the Democratic nominee. If Hillary wins, her vice president pick better be able to make up for all the race baiting, push polling and undercover coddling rightward she did in the primary.

[Voltaire]

11. I'll tell you what I am thinking

I am willing to bet that like myself, there are no surprised Black people in America about this incident. We don't expect much from whites and I will give them credit on that score. When it comes to low expectations, they never disappoint. Many African Americans are cheered by the Obama campaign. But I am willing to BET that not many of them thought that white America would ever let this nomination go through. That when push came to shove they would find any excuse necessary not to go through with it. Why? Because that is the standard white M.O. America will never elect a black president and in a sense, I am glad this time, because America does not DESERVE a man like Barack Obama. This place is too immature, too childish of a nation to even begin to understand what he has to say. We play these silly gotcha games and bloviate about preachers and snipers and dress stains...anything but what is real, what is important. And that is all we deserve I suppose. We deserve cretins like Bush and warmongers like McCain and political charlatans like the Clintons, because we are not willing to engage our BRAINS for anything serious. We are perfectly content to bicker over superflous bullshit.

So no, we aren't surprised at the whole Rev. Wright blowup. Its just some more white manufactured outrage bullshit. And we have close to 500 years experience with that.

[WillyT]

17. I Truly Wish I Could Recommend Your Post As An Op !!!

Right fucking ON!!!

And... as with a post here the other day, as a white guy... if they throw Obama and African Americans under the bus this cycle, I'm lying right down there with 'em. And they can kiss my vote good-bye!

:mad:

[sandnsea]

42. This white lady agrees

I'm fed up. I've never heard more truth spoken in an hour than Wright spoke. I don't agree with everything he said, I don't think the govt really created AIDS for instance. But it wouldn't surprise me to find out they did. And I bet most people who are horrified over those words, would agree if it were said by a white person. It would be nice if more white eyes were opened in this campaign, but clearly not enough have been opened yet or we would stand together and shut this shit down.

[Catherina]

48. Word n/t

[K Gardner]

63. Beautifully written and I agree completely with every word.

[Robeson]

68. You're right...

...simple as that.

[leftynyc]

78. I agree with every word you've written here

I always felt "they" would never elect a black man with a funny middle name. Frankly, I'm surprised he's come this far. But I must point out that this isnt' the first time that silly gotcha games have been used in an election. Remember Al Gore and "he invented the internet" and other stuff that somehow meant he was a serial liar? This is how politics is played in this country. Real issues are too complex and don't make for good TV.

I admit to starting to think this country was past the nonsense...that we were ready for someone like Senator Obama but this isn't the first time I've been fooled. My friends call me pathologically optimistic. After watching the chimp get close enough to steal two elections, I have very little faith in my fellow Americans when it comes to brains.

You don't need to be black to see the truth in your post.

[MediaBabe]

16. You're really caught up on this 'angry black man' thing, aren't you

Maybe you should repeat it a few more times. You know. So there's no mistake.

[bridgit]

18. Disagreed, that is 'the black meme', it is no more true than to rail against Pat Robertson...

and his lunacy is an assault upon White America. Your's is imo a silly assertion that should itself be condemned. We're calling for reason. Where it is not found, or actively circumvented; it will be pointed out.

[Voltaire]

21. Wrong

But thanks for playin

[Leopolds Ghost]

80. The difference is that Robertson is not condemned as the stereotypical white male

Nor are other white politicians or pastors brought on to "apologize"
nor forced to "reject and denounce" Robertson, Falwell, Graham, etc.
merely for being white.

[locker13]

19. here it is

http://forums.sohh.com/showthread.php?t=1015844

[ArkySue]

26. Are you saying

that Rev Wright is representative of black Americans or black churches? I hope not! He's a nut.

[Voltaire]

31. Is he nuts or...

are you just uncomfortable with the truth he had to tell? I hope you are qualified to make that diagnoses of Dr. Wright's nuttiness.

[MediaBabe]

39. The truth about the US creating AIDs to kill blacks?

Is that the truth you mean?

[Voltaire]

40. That subject is debatable in some quarters

Do you think that what he said about AIDS is impossible because America is the country in question? Can you prove they did NOT, especially with their history of experiments on minority peoples? I'll wait for your answer. And if you have any more supposed untruths of Rev. Wright, I'll hear those too if you like.

[Dreamer Tatum]

46. Ah, the "how do you know they didn't" defense...

...proof positive that debate now comes in a 100% logic-free form.


Rev. Wright may well be correct in everything else he believes, but the AIDS thing is stupid on its face. Stupid, impossible, and therefore
indefensible.

[Voltaire]

47. I used to believe as you do about AIDS

But I no longer belive ANYTHING this government tells me. Not even about AIDS. I have no illusions about the American Government and no one should. So hold on tight to your dreams there mate....IV needle use and homosexual sex were on the scene long before AIDS was and nobody was dying until it showed up all of a sudden. Seems to me it was introduced into the population by somebody or SOMBODIES who wanted some folk deemed undesirable out of the way. If you think that this government is not capable, both scientifically and immorally of doing this then it is YOU who are naive my friend.

But hey, what do I know, I'm just an angry black man remember?

[Dreamer Tatum]

50. No, I don't remember you're an angry black man, and I don't care

"How do you know they didn't" and "I wouldn't put anything past them" are not arguments, they're harumphs. I get it - you're harumphing.

Because something seems a certain way to you doesn't magically subvert the biochemical and epidemiological impossibility of purposely
propagating an infectious disease.

And I didn't call you naive, either. Your righteousness does not confer the right to fill my mouth with words.

[2rth2pwr]

55. If by "some quarters" you mean state mental health lock ups, then yeah.

[Maddy McCall]

32. I don't think he's a "typical black person."

[Rex_Goodheart]

34. Well, at least your argument depends on the recognition that Wright

IS an angry black man, otherwise your "merge" theory makes no sense.

I guess that's progress from an Obama supporter. The first step to curing a problem (in this case Wright's angry racism) is to admit you have one.

[Voltaire]

38. Wright is angry, surely

And as an African American he has every RIGHT to be. But racist? For...*ahem*....calling a spade a spade? I think not. The issue here is not his words and how he spoke them. The issue here, as USUAL, is that America cannot and will not handle the truth about itself. The only folks who are in denial and in need of a 12 step program to learn to tell the truth is White America.

Sorry about that.

[Cali_Democrat]

49. Even if he is angry, that's not the point

Is he angry? Maybe. The point is that the media wants to paint Obama as angry.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. oy oy oy

[2rth2pwr]

45. I thought Wright was goofy with his- your attacking the black church, and now your upping

the ante and saying people are attacking Black America?

What's next. If you don't agree with Wright, your attacking all dark skinned people world wide?

[ProSense]

51. I think he is a lot more intelligent than you, and valuable to the world too. n/t

[TahitiNut]

57. Well, to be fair, you can't find a much lower bar.

:evilgrin:

[mtnester]

77. I just did n/t

[barack the house]

53. Yep, but history will shame America for attacking him as it did with King so continue their shame. .

Hillarious. Make no doubt this will be a time America will return to with very red faces. Keep it up America show yourselves to the world, they are watchihng in disgust as they did in with katrina, but not at african americans. The shame is all over america the world sees you now.

[HuffleClaw]

56. no, its an attack on a would-be democrat presidential candidate

who was built up from obscurity by the media for this very purpose. and now he's being torn down. its what the media does.

[Lilith Velkor]

58. Again with equating one pastor with Black America?

The stereotyping has gotten really thick in here.

[Chovexani]

59. Why not ask us if you're so worried?

Black America is no more monolithic than White America.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. awe shit

[2rth2pwr]

62. But his basic point -- that any attack on him is an attack on the African-American church

But his basic point -- that any attack on him is an attack on the African-American church and its traditions -- is just wrong. In making that argument, he buys into the fraudulent idea of a monolithic, monocultural black America -- one with his philosophy and theology at its center.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/wright_throws_obama_under_the.html

The reality of the African-American church, of course, is as diverse as the African-American community. I grew up in the Methodist church with pastors -- often active on the front lines of the civil rights movement -- whose sermons were rarely exciting enough to elicit more than a muttered "Amen." They were excitement itself, however, compared to the dry lectures delivered by the priest at the Catholic church around the corner. And what I heard every Sunday was nothing at all like the Bible-thumping, hellfire-and-damnation perorations that filled my Baptist friends with the Holy Ghost -- and even less like the spellbinding, singsong, jump-and-shout sermonizing that raised the roofs of Pentecostal sanctuaries across town.

Wright claims to represent all these traditions and more, but he does not. He also claims universality for the political aspect of his ministry. It is true that the black church, writ large, has been an instrument of social and political change. But most black churches are far less political than Wright's -- and many concern themselves exclusively with salvation.

I point all this out not to say that one tradition is better than another; as Wright said, different doesn't mean deficient. But what Wright did was try to frame the issue in such a way that to question him or anything he has ever said was to question the long, storied tradition of African-American religion.

Historically and theologically, he was inflating his importance in a pride-goeth-before-the-fall kind of way. Politically, by surfacing now, he was throwing Barack Obama under the bus.

Sadly, it's time for Obama to return the favor.

[donheld]

64. Without doubt. It also

exposes some of the nastiest racism in America. Racism that only this campaign could have exposed. No other candidate's pastor has EVER come into question. I dare say no white pastor ever would come into question. This is the ugliest of the ugly.

[Raejeanowl]

65. Has Any Other Candidate's Pastor Gone Out On A Publicity Tour During The Primaries?

Especially after that pastor had already been criticized for some inflammatory (whether you agree with the substance of them or not) statements, and knew he endangered his acolyte by any association with those remarks/philosophy, he then repeated the remarks?

The racism in this equation originated in that church, kindled by Wright, supported by the continuing loyalty of Obama and other congregants, and leaked out into the media. How you in good conscience blame the onlookers for seeing the snake in the garden, I can't imagine.

[Doityourself]

72. This started way before Wright made his rounds..let's keep it real

[Doityourself]

71. This I agree with completely. Good luck getting the blind to see though

[JoFerret]

67. They/ we all think the same way?

Gosh

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh No.

[zulchzulu]

70. Many Hillary supporters are racists...even Ed Rendell admitted that

When Rendell said that many voters in his state "just aren't ready for a black President", that obviously means that they are racists.

I'm convinced that that Hillary Clinton campaign USES RACISM as a vehicle to get people to support her over Barack Obama. There is enough proof out there to make for a very troubling documentary. The Reverend Wright issue and even Hillary Clinton's use of mentioning Louis Farrakkan in the debates is proof that she herself is a racist. Otherwise, such notions would have never crossed her mind.

It's over for the Clinton campaign. The autopsy is not going to be pretty.

[McCamy Taylor]

73. Rev. Wright spoke for ALL Americans. Did you listen to him? Liberation theology

liberates the oppressor as well as the oppressed. It is a movement that is much larger than any political campaign. It is changing the face of democracy all across the world.

Solidarity

[genna]

75. Myth of an angry black man

You have a point with the portrayal of Wright in terms of how that is perceived by most Americans.

I don't think you are right about Obama in that he is morphing into Wright. Obama is getting hit for being dispassionate and distant.

I also don't think you are right that Republicans, Hillary Democrats, and corporate media have all embraced this angry black man symbol. The problem with this is that broad brush ignores the pundits and journalists that have gotten to the root of Obama's public policy positions and said where is Obama's actual record.

Bob Herbert has hit him for allowing himself to be taken away from a hope message and being slimed with this racial polarity stuff. Tavis Smiley took Obama on for having a black presence without spelling out how his policies address the Covenant with Black America. Eugene Robinson has took him to task for worrying about the votes he would have never received anyway.

None of these journalists have used the symbolism of an angry black male to discredit him.


Tell me what do you think can be done in the next month or in the next 6 months to dispel this symbol so that Obama does not have to deal with it. If he can't dispel that symbol, what are his options?

[Freddie Stubbs]

79. Did the corporate media and Hillary supporters trick Obama into attending that church for 20 years?

:shrug: