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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:06 PM
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Glad That Obama Ran - Hillary Will Win The Nomination
This post should upset both Clinton and Obama supports, since this may be hard to believe, but I still am undecided between the two candidates.

Hillary appeals to my realistic, cynical side. While Obama appeals to the side of me that would like to believe that campaigns can still be won with grass roots support, and without appeal to wedge issues designed to turn segments of the population against each other.

Hillary is a fighter. She is a ruthless fighter, who will do what it takes to win the Presidency. Her campaign will win, not because she rallied people to some great vision of hers, but because she managed to marginalize Obama into the black candidate who most working class whites will not support. Yes, there are a lot of white people who would never vote for a black man. However, Hillary very effectively got a lot of voters to vote against Obama on the theory that they should not vote for a black man (even if they may agree with him) because some other third party would never vote for him. Obama's "electability" became a code word for America is just not ready for a black president, as many voters in PA were quoted as saying in polls. Thus, it became okay to use race, not because you are personally racist, but your neighbor is.

To Hillary's credit, she recognized this, and capitalized on it. Hillary will win the nomination, not because people love her, but because they now fear the black, elitist, inexperienced candidate. Is it effective? Yes. Is it inspiring? Hardly. However, there is a side of me that would love to see Hillary run a Karl Rove campaign against John McCain, and to Hillary's credit, she does not suggest that she will not run a negative campaign. She makes no apologies. Indeed, this is part of her fighter persona. So, in the end, I do think that Hillary can beat McCain, because Hillary can effectively use fear. Now, I would love to say that this tactic will not work, however, as the past 8 years under Bush, and the end of the primary season approaches, fear works. Negative campaigning works, and no amount of idealistic denials will prove otherwise.

Hillary did not invent racism. She did use it. Effectively. And, would we rather be idealistic losers, or winning pragmatists?

I loved Barrack Obama's message and theme. It was hopeful. His campaign really did not dwell on the negative attacks. He could have run 24/7 attack ads featuring Marc Rich, Bill Clinton's role in securing drilling rights in Kazakistan, and highlighted Hillary's role in passively supporting "bankruptcy reform," which benefitted the lending institutions in her state. Yes, there were some negative advetising, but Obama's campaign was more about him, then being the anything but Hillary campaign. The problem is that these kind of campaigns don't work anymore. With Fox News and Sinclair Broadcasting, networks now take an active role in pushing specific agendas. Remember Stolen Honor, the network smear of John Kerry by ABC affiliates? The fact of the matter is that you do need the support of corporations, which in turn sponsor the networks, which in turn feed into the pundits that tell millions of Americans what to think. Thus, millions of Americans made snap decisions based on Reverand Wright without listening to the full sermons, or Obama's speech on the matter. Obama had a wonderful gift for oratory, and he inspired people. Sadly, this very gift was ridiculed, and he became derided as an elitist.

The sad fact that I knew was that campaigns are not won in the hearts and minds of the American people, but rather by appealing to the more basic prejudices and fears of Americans. 3 a.m. ads. Images of angry black men. White voters saying that America is not ready for a black president. This is the America that Karl Rove thrived in, and he was very effective. I hoped otherwise, but it was an empty promise.

In the end, Barrack could have sold out to a much greater extent than he did. Some folks will say that he has, but he didn't completely. He tried to walk the tight rope as a minority who was sensitive to the needs of both whites and minorities. I listened to his post-Wright speech, and it was absolutely true, which is why it ultimately doomed him. Many white Americans see racism as a thing of the past while they at the same time say that America is not ready for a black president. Yet, they don't understand why some minorities are angry at their disenfranchisement. Obama also told the minority Americans that the fears and racial resements of white Americans were based on legitimate concerns about their economic being, which were expressed as racism. Obama could have triangulated by denouncing his heritage and his community knowing that they would have to vote for him in the end, but he didn't.

So, I see Hillary winning, because she has indeed proven that Obama is unelectable. I can't really begrudge her this, because the GOP would likely have run this same campaign against Obama. It is just unfortunate that the Democratic Party has in the end proven that it's differences are one of degree, not substance. Afterall, Hillary did vote to give Bush authority to invade Iraq. It was a vote that was classic Hillary. Calculating, and driven by political reality, rather than actual conviction.

In the end, the President the U.S. elects is the President the U.S. deserves. That is the beauty of democracy.

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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:10 PM
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1. How Has Hillary Indeed Proven That Obama Is Unelectable?.......
Where did you get this from?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:11 PM
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2. The monkeys flying around his butt say so
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:39 AM
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37. For once I agree...Hillary didn't prove OBama unelectable, OBama did that with his (in)action
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:55 AM
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55. awww Cliff you always nail it
:hi:

mezzo, get your glasses checked, you've been had
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:56 AM
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56. self-delete
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 10:56 AM by mythyc
doo-waa-dupity
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:51 AM
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51. Durr..
Hillary says so. :P
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:54 AM
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53. "How has hillary indeed proven that Obama is unelectable?.."
And why would one think that SHE is??
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:26 AM
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80. Stop making so much sense!
:hi:

Funny how some have a tendency to state opinion as fact.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:12 PM
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3. I'm hiding this piece of a shit of a thread, so I don't have to see it.....
You're wrote the obituary of the wrong candidate.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:58 AM
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62. oh shit! I forgot we can do that. thanks for the reminder Frenchie
this thread indeed is a di·ar·rhe·al
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:13 PM
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4. She didn't marginalize Obama...
The only reason she won OH and the TX primary, is Rush Limbaugh. And some shenanigans with voting machines.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x501546

Do you admire a candidate who wins mainly because the Repugs want her to win so they can defeat her in November?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:13 PM
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5. sink this fucker
.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:14 PM
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6. hilary's a lying idiot who is out for
hilary clinton and anyone who is paying attention can see that.
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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:15 PM
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7. Go to the Hillary Forum to Post this Crap
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:10 AM
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73. it gets lonely over there
echo chambers usually do. ever read E.M. Forster's "Passage to India"?

.

"Whatever is said, the same monotonous noise replies, and quivers up and down the walls until it is absorbed into the roof. 'Boum' is the sound as far as the human alphabet can express it, or 'bou-oom,' or "ou-boom,' -- utterly dull. Hope, politeness, the blowing of a nose, the squeak of a boot, all produce 'boum.' Even the striking of a match starts a little worm coiling, which is too small to complete a circle but is completely watchful. And if several people talk at once, an overlapping howling noise begins, echoes generate echoes, and the cave is stuffed with a snake composed of small snakes, which writhe independently." (p. 163 Harvest Books edition)

...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:15 PM
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8. Hillary can spin as much as she wants but she still is NOT winning
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:17 PM
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9. Oh, did HIllary decide to run as an independent?
Obama *is* the nominee.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:18 PM
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10. A quote
"In the end, the President the U.S. elects is the President the U.S. deserves. That is the beauty of democracy. "

Beauty? According to your overall thesis, it is tragedy.

Good for the rest of us that you left out a few key ingredients to your electoral prognostications, and thus they are invalid. One: she cannot win mathematically and she has pissed off the whole party royally too much to win over enough superdelegates and two: she is not going to bring the African American and liberal/populists back into the fold after this "Karl Rove" campaign that you praise so highly. Karl Rove techniques will not get them back, you know.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:24 PM
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14. I dig your sig graphic.
You play a Rick? nice bass.

- as
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:30 PM
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17. Sure do
1974 4001 model, red.

The best bass for rock n roll, I swear.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:56 AM
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57. I agree. Nothig sounds like a Rick....
I loves me my 360/12 in Jetglow black. Mmmmmmmm MMMMMMMUUUUSIC....
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:20 PM
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11. HRC the lady that stayed the course and you obama folk
wanted her to drop out. the only thing that dropped was the other show with obama and the pastor wright controversy....

Watch for obama to tell all he is going to give another speech about race etc etc and pastor wright. Well hell, the whoremedia has all day been telling him and his campaign what they need to say. How to say it. What emotions to use when he talks about pastor wright.....

Oh if obama gives another speech again it will called the greatest speech ever once again by the same assholes that have been telling him to give another speech. This time it will not work because the population may be lame but they are not morons.

Maybe you obama folks should be proud of HRC for staying in this race because there is more to come on obama and more shoes to drop. At least with HRC in the campaign wew will have a great nominee and if she had dropped out as you wanted her too, the dems would have a limping candidate that would surely lose.....

Drop out obama. Maybe you need to mend that hole in your own soul before you try to mend holes in everyone else's.....
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:38 PM
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19. So how will she get the 60% of ALL remaining delegates?
Please be specific inj your answer. Thanks
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:46 AM
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49. At this point you're just a caricature of yourself. n/t
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:53 AM
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52. Ahem..
Bush is staying the course in Iraq too, does that mean we're winning there? Hah.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:22 PM
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12. This one short paragraph sums you up
"Hillary did not invent racism. She did use it. Effectively. And, would we rather be idealistic losers, or winning pragmatists?"

To answer your question, I'd have to say that I would rather sleep with the windows open breathing fresh air. If you would prefer sleeping in a closed room with an overflowing toilet to get what you want, that says a lot about you.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:22 PM
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13. "Hillary Will Win The Nomination"
and pigs will fly Learjets to attend the convention...
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:28 PM
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15. Other Than Having Almost Zero Chance Of Winning, She's Won
!!!
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:28 PM
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16. She is not going to win
that is why Obama isn't saying much right now about all the hype. He is finishing up the primaries and planning for the GE. Hillary is out. She losing, everyone knows it, she hasn't proven that Obama is unelectable.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:34 PM
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18. Deleted message
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AJH032 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:38 PM
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21. since when is post count an indicator for intelligence?
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 11:38 PM by AJH032
n/t
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:40 PM
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22. lol, got that right.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:29 AM
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35. This is from someone who apparently can't even read the DU rules.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:38 PM
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20. it is ugly to denounce racism then use it as a tool
I understand what politicans do but this kind of stuff leaves a very bad taste INDEED
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:44 PM
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23. I would suggest you go with Senator Obama. This is just a blip. Once he gets past this there is no
stopping him.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:44 PM
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24. Thanks for the faux Concern. Don't you have a bridge to watch?
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:01 AM
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25. Hillary is losing and will lose the nomination.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:20 AM
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26. 8 years of Bush/Rove have DESTROYED our country. Now you want more of the same from a "DEMOCRAT"????
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:09 AM
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27. Yes, I can tell
that that's the narrative you guys are preparing in case you lose. But that doesn't make it true.

People like to dismiss "The Dean Scream" as a pure media creation that was used to kill Dean's campaign. The fact is, it WAS newsworthy, and Dean's campaign was pretty much dead by the time the scream occurred. But rather than admit any fault whatsoever to Dean himself, his demise is entirely the fault of external forces.

You guys will do the same for Obama if he doesn't win. You'll blame Clinton, you'll blame racism, you'll blame the media, and you won't even entertain the idea that Obama himself might have some responsibility.

Of course, you hold Clinton personally responsible for EVERY attack on her.

It's fun to see the panic building here.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:18 AM
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79. great response
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:20 AM
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28. This is a perfect example of how poorly Hillary's campaign has been managed.
All the money she supposedly took in after PA, and all they have done with it is hire about 5 dozen new trolls to spew DLC scripts from Al From's basement.
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:01 AM
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29. Hillary did not use racism
She was referring to Obama's lack of experience. I wouldn't count Obama out just yet either. Obama can certainly recover from this. 10 years ago I thought for sure the Clintons would just disappear into oblivion. You know what they say though - it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:33 AM
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41. Hillary has less experience than McCain. She's campaigning against herself too n/t
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:00 AM
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63. What was she doing when she brought up Farrakhan's name at the ABC debate? nt
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 02:02 AM
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30. Then tell me, friend... when did Median Democrat the wise abandon reason for madness?
http://bp0.blogger.com/_Jr2kH5AguCY/RiExDEY55nI/AAAAAAAAAI8/ixPP87IHtiw/s320/Saruman+and+Gandalf.jpg

"You did not think that Obama could seriously contend with the politics
of Karl Rove? There are none who can. We must join with him, Leopolds
Ghost. We must join with Karl Rove. It would be wise, my friend."

"We can bide our time, we can keep our thoughts in our hearts, deploring
maybe evils done by the way, but approving the high and ultimate purpose:
Knowledge, Rule, Order; all the things that we have so far striven in vain
to accomplish, hindered rather than helped by our weak or idle friends."

"I looked then and saw that his robes, which had seemed white, were not so,
but were woven of all colors, and if he moved they shimmered and changed hue
so that the eye was bewildered." Saruman himself boasts of this recent
transcendence, naming himself "Saruman of Many Colors." When Gandalf
expresses his own preference for Saruman’s forsaken white vestments,
the latter responds with the limitations he sees in the simple hue.
"It serves as a beginning...The white page can be overwritten; and the
white light can be broken."
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:31 AM
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31. Yes, it is wonderful to see America
choose Obama as our next President of the United States.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:36 AM
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32. She's a lousy fighter. I'm ever amused by people who
mistake her pugnacious manner for effective fighting. For the love of reason, if she was a good fighter she should have won this in a walk. And clearly she hasn't proven that Barack is unelectable. Duh. Who did Senator Bingaman endorse yesterday? What? not hill? Nope. I think Obama is still likely to win the nomination and stll has an excellent shot at becoming president. He's been defying the odds for months.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:55 AM
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54. Yeah the fighter thing is kind of funny...
I'd like to see what she's actually won.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 03:57 AM
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33. Utter racist-enabling spin and bullshit. Bookmarking for example of the total crap allowed to be
posted here, which will soon NOT be allowed. Have fun finding a new audience.. elsewhere.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:14 PM
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81. It will soon be
verboten.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:14 AM
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34. What color is the sky on your planet?
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:30 AM
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36. The only defense you have for not having made up your mind by now is being a superdelegate.
Otherwise, something is wrong with you.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:43 AM
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38. Hillary didn't lift a finger to make Barack Obama unelctable, he did it to himself.
and I don't think you can blame it on racism. It's called "identity politics" and it's perfectly acceptable when 90% of the African American population identify with the black candidate; therefore, it really shouldn't be an issue when this sword cuts the other way.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:02 AM
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66. Good god, aquarius, do you even believe the drivel you spew?
And they say we Obama supporters are the "cultists".

:eyes:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 05:46 AM
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 06:03 AM
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40. You are assuming a lot here and validating poltiical racism. SAD.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:36 AM
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47. Not Validating Racism - Bemoaning It
Does anyone deny that race has become a big issue? Turn on Faux news, and it has become the 24/7 Rev. Wright channel. Its crazy.

1. The point of my post is that the current media greatly obscures the real issues that face Americans. Agree or disagree?

2. Given point #1, is it better to have a candidate that can play the manipulative games of the media regarding side issues like Reverand Wright (Clinton) or is it better to have a candidate who tries to talk about why he is a better candidate (Obama)?

Yes, I am oversimplifying.

If you asked me who I support, I lean towards Obama. However, I am free agent. I want A Democrat that will take back the White House, and prevent 8 more years of Bush policies. The partisans on this board may disagree, but Obama or Clinton will be better than McCain in '08. I prefer Obama, but it is just a preference. If Clinton gets the nomination by sliming Obama and making overt appeals to racism, then I still hope she wins in the general election, though I am disgusted with the tenor of her campaign, Why? Consider the freakin alternative! Another 4 or 8 years of Bush policies.
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:44 AM
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42. Welcome to DU - I don't know how we got along without your wisdom until earlier this month
:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:50 AM
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43. Your box of Kleenex is calling.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:04 AM
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44. All I can say is imagine you are black and now celebrate Hillary . Nice isn't it.
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:04 AM
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45. Kick
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:09 AM
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46. The down fall of this insane plan is you can't offend and overturn the balck vote and win. omg.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:57 AM
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59. As well as
many white people who find it deplorable.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:40 AM
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48. And in doing so, Hillary continued to alienate so many other people
that she can split the willfully ignorant white male vote with McCain, and let the rest of the country sit this election out.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:50 AM
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50. Math is your friend. And math says it is impossible for Hillary to be the nominee
I won't do your homework for you. Let's just say she is not going to be the nominee.

I'd wager $1000 to stand by my words. You wanna bet?



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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:57 AM
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58. Does your math include SUPERDELEGATES?-n/t
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:58 AM
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60. If It's Cynicism You Want, You Should Be Fine With Obama
His campaign has done a magnificent job of convincing people she's run nothing but dirty tricks and racial attacks, while Obama's people stoop lower than Homer Simpson's belly.


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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:03 AM
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68. And that biased and divorced from reality post
will earn you my ignore. When 90% of your fellow DUers diagree with you and have evidence to back it up, you should just keep quiet with the bullshit.

As well as the non-topical superimposition of Obama's face on *. Funny how you put that picture in the same post where you say Obama's campaign has stooped lower than Hillary's. Apparently you do not understand irony.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:17 AM
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77. To Borrow a Phrase From OMC: BRRRRRRFFF GRRRRGGLELELLLLEE SNSNNNNNRT
that's about what's worth spending on such intellectual dishonesty.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:58 AM
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61. Please show us where Clinton fought ONE TIME against Bush and the GOP the last 7 years.
She doesn't HAVE any chops against the GOP because she has never used them - she only knows how to attack other Democrats and she is STILL LOSING.

She LOST on Super Tuesday and has been running for 2012 ever since.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:05 AM
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70. Jeez....I wonder why I've never seen ...
that mentioned. I have a real problem with "how" Hillary fights. I also forget she lost all of the battles she 'fought' during her First Lady years. Seems Hillary's 'fighting' skills are as bogus as that sniper fire.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:01 AM
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64. Welcome back
I was updating my Ignore list, and I realized that about a dozen members of that club had been given the granite pizza. Whichever one you are, welcome back.

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BlueGirlRedState Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:01 AM
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65. You are a sad, sad person
I hope you're happy with your choice. And you can live with it.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:03 AM
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67. Hillary will lose the primary and would lose the GE. America hates the Clintons. n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:03 AM by invictus
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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:04 AM
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69. Fellow Obamanites

Don't fall for the doom and gloom bullshit - stay the course! Our opponents
are trying first cut off or slow down Baracks campaign donations, by giving
us the impression he's unelectable. Their trying to stop our grass roots support.

Continue to donate! Continue to support Barack! Let's fight until there is no more
fighting to do!
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:06 AM
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71. *plonk*
Thank you for your concern. :eyes:
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:06 AM
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72. She'll steal it and the Dems. will lose?? All of us "educated" dems. and the AA vote will
stand on the side lines...
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Freedom Train Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:11 AM
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74. K&R
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:12 AM
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75. wow a 43 post count crystal ball thread, could you make your agenda any more transparent?
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:14 AM
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76. As an "Idealistic Loser" - i'd like to point out one thing: You said "Nomination"..
Hillary can't "win" the nomination - but she can steal it.. i will give you that. It's possible.

Also, you said "Nomination".. not "General Election".. which I also agree is true. If she STEALS the nomination - that is all she will have. She will not win the General Election... Republicans with the support of 1/3 of very pissed off Obama supporters will make sure that McCain is our next President.

Along with your post - it's sickening... but true. Hillary won't win the GE.. kitchen sink and all.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:17 AM
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78. FAIL.
Epic. fail.
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