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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:10 PM
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It's the media frenzy vs. the movement, and the media is losing
Edited on Mon Apr-28-08 11:25 PM by ProSense
Rev. Wright's speech comes after ABC used him to ambush Obama during the debate. Hillary joined in.

SENATOR CLINTON: I was asked a personal question, Charlie, and I gave a personal answer. Obviously, one's choice of church and pastor is rooted in what one believes is what you're seeking in church and what kind of, you know, fellowship you find in church. But I have to say that, you know, for Pastor Wright to have given his first sermon after 9/11 and to have blamed the United States for the attack, which happened in my city of New York, would have been intolerable for me. And therefore I would have not been able to stay in the church, and maybe it's, you know, just, again, a personal reflection that regardless of whatever good is going on -- and I have no reason to doubt that a lot of good things were happening in that church -- you get to choose your pastor. You don't choose your family, but you get to choose your pastor. And when asked a direct question, I said I would not have stayed in the church.

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SENATOR CLINTON: Well, I think, in addition to the questions about Reverend Wright and what he said and when he said it, and for whatever reason he might have said these things, there were so many different variations on the explanations that we heard. And it is something that I think deserves further exploration, because clearly what we've got to figure out is how we're going to bring people together in a way that overcomes the anger, overcomes the divisiveness and whatever bitterness there may be out there.

It is clear that, as leaders, we have a choice who we associate with and who we apparently give some kind of seal of approval to. And I think that it wasn't only the specific remarks, but some of the relationships with Reverend Farrakhan, with giving the church bulletin over to the leader of Hamas to put a message in. You know, these are problems, and they raise questions in people's minds.

And so this is a legitimate area, as everything is when we run for office, for people to be exploring and trying to find answers.

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Wright has every right to be out there now. Clear the air. The last thing Obama needs is to have the media continue to nurture this lingering smear and spring it on him in a similar ambush during the GE.

Wright should speak up, the more visible the better.

The media is determined to make Wright an issue, with or without his presence. If the media's complicity with the Swift Boar Liars is any indication, hoping they'll be fair is wishful thinking.

Wright was scheduled to give a speech in FL a couple of weeks ago, they found out and publicized it until it was canceled. This smear has resulted in death threats against him. This is a despicable media assault on a man who does not deserve such treatment.

Screw them!

The current frenzy is the third attempt by the media to make Wright a campaign-damaging issue. The first was
mid January and second mid March

Now let's evaluate the impact of the Wright smear since the videos (not since Jan, the first smear) were introduced:

  • Hawaii: Obama 76%, Hillary 24%

  • Wisconsin: Obama 58%, Hillary 41%

  • Ohio: Obama 44%, Hillary 54%

  • Rhode Island: Obama 40%, Hillary 58%

  • Texas P: Obama 47%, Hillary 51%

  • Texas C: Obama 56%, Hillary 44%

  • Vermont: Obama 59%, Hillary 39%

  • Wyoming: Obama 61%, Hillary 38%

  • Mississippi: Obama 61%, Hillary 37%

  • Pennsylvania: Obama 45%, Hillary 55%

Obama won six states (Texas included) to Hillary's three, and he shaved 10 pts of Hillary's PA lead.

He has also picked up 20 superdelegates since then (including three since Friday):



Obama also raised $41 Million in March.



On edit:

All the cries for Obama to do/say something, what's he supposed to say or do?

When Fox Noise jumped on the clips, some people were freaking out, saying "Obama has to address this now." The idea was to end the controversy. Obama gave his speech on race, satisfying those who were nervous, but the media created another scandal out of his speech.

Fast forward 10 weeks, the never-ending smear on Wright (including Hillary during the debate) continues.

Wright has every right to defend himself. I think Dick Durbin speaking out against Wright last night, not having seen the speech, was folly. They keep doing the very thing that feeds the media assholes.

Two things Obama has said:

"He doesn't speak for me."

"He has every right to speak his mind."

What else does he need to say?

I hope Wright becomes a thorn in the side of his critics.




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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:22 PM
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1. That's why I'm not answering any more "Wright" threads......
cause the man's not running, and the Hillary Boosters and their Rush Limbaugh accomplices are not going to make me think anything beyond the fact that she has lost. Now she is engaging in PR and Psyche-Ops in an attempt to psychologically gain a foothold because she cannot win with the numbers.

In other words, the Hillary campaign can kiss my ass.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:31 PM
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3. it's weird... I hide three and two more pop up
you know they're crawling out of the woodwork... this place, DU must've been infested for years...

I'm a newb but it's pretty obvious to me their not democrats

why, with eleventy seven "wright" threads must they start a new one every five minutes?

because they know WE are ignoring them and WE are the targets...

they even pose for a week or two as Obama folk... just to sneak in under the radar... get us talking to them and POW

it's like that

very creepy... do these stalkers have day jobs?
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:35 PM
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4. You joined DU in March of 2008?
And you've managed to rack up over 2000 posts? You must have one hell of a lot of time on your hands.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:18 AM
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8. disabled vet, painting contractor, wintering up in rural kansas
AND I type like the wind

I like the links to campaign events and all the discussion

I listen to the cspan call in just to hear what all the crazy ppl are thinking...

and I'm a cranky old bastard... so I get to put my two cents in

I write... if you think I'm prolific here... you should see my journal
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:24 AM
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9. Glad you're here and prolific..that's one heck of
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:26 PM
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2. As I've already said, Obama needs to change the media narrative. And so far has FAILED
He needs to demonstrate a capacity to fight, and so far he's failed.

He is now pretty much branded as an elitist. Like we didn't see that coming?

And yet his campaign refuses to deal with Hillary and put her away.

Apparently he's going to limp to the nomination.

Wright isn't going away, and Obama isn't going to win that battle.

All he can do is change the narrative.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:50 PM
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5. Obama is doing what he needs to do to win.
Gallup took a poll that reveal more people though Hillary was more elitist than Obama. What the hell does that mean, and who cares?

Obama's campaign isn't about playing the media's game.

How could he have stopped ABC's ambush except walk of the set?

The media is not going to become Obama friendly for the duration of this election cycle.

In 2004, Kerry stayed neck and neck with Bush in the polls, sometimes moving ahead, despite the media's complicity with Bush on the war and with the Swift Liars.

The Republicans went all out to suppress the vote and engage in other dirty tricks to win. Obviously, they needed to do more than playing the fear card to secure another four years for Bush.

The media can ambush, it's up to people not to panic. Obama has been able to keep any damage they try to inflict to a minimum. He has had some impressive wins despite them.


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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:08 AM
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7. The media has chosen to go after Wright...certainly not the people...
Compare Wright with: Dobson, Robertson, Wildmon, Hagee, Haggard, and all the rest of those monuments to so-called christianity and Wright comes up smelling like a rose.

In building his church, he has begun tutoring/teaching programs for his flock. He has started food banks. He has involved his membership in helping those who need help(for whatever reason). In other words, Wright has done things for others.

The list of names at the top have done nothing that did not put ;money in their pockets, provided them with credit cards, private jets, limos and fancy expensive cars, and more. They are all the farce and Wright seems to be the 'real deal.'

Why not attack the long list of others who do not do things for those who need help. For example, how many hungry people has Robertson fed over his lifetime? Think of other examples. So why has the media chosen this particular man to attack?

Wright is not the only fundamentalist preacher who uses highly-combustible sermons from his pulpit--and he has that pulpit.

Wright appears to be real, unlike the others who are only enriching themselves.

Obama is not behind these attacks on Wright, neither is Hillary. So who is it exactly who is behind this delusional attack of smoke and mirrors which is essentially a non-issue.

It would seem that the more the MSM attacks Wright, the higher prices attach themselves to commercial advertising. Money. It is money that attracts the attacks.

Wright has been wrongly attacked--it is the other group that desperately needs this sort of scrutiny.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 01:13 AM
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10. That's quite a group. Imagine all the
hate they represent.

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-28-08 11:55 PM
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6. I think the point was that the media narrative has failed
Or is no longer changing the game. Things change, and the evidence is well organized in the OP.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:10 AM
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12. Look around this board at the spin about damage with no proof.
Hillary is still losing. Obama is still attracting record numbers of donors.




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:39 AM
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11. Another superdelegate for Obama
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 10:08 AM
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13. Charting superdelegates



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:06 AM
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14. Obama endorsed by IN "most popular mayor"

Mayor announces his support for Obama's bid

By THOMAS B. LANGHORNE
Courier & Press staff writer 464-7432 or langhornet@courierpress.com
Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Mayor Jonathan Weinzapfel threw his support behind Sen. Barack Obama's campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday.

Weinzapfel's written endorsement, issued hours before Obama was scheduled to take the stage at a rally at Roberts Stadium, called the Illinois senator a "special leader."

"I feel Sen. Obama brings integrity, a fresh perspective, good judgment, a wealth of experience and determined leadership to deal with the challenges our country faces," the Democratic mayor's statement said.

Weinzapfel said Obama understands the needs of working families and has the ability to inspire people and unite the nation "in a way that transcends the typical partisan politics of the past, and allows us to focus on our shared hopes and dreams for the future."

Mark Owen, chairman of the Vanderburgh County Democratic Party, said Weinzapfel's endorsement feverishly was sought by both Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y.

"He's the most popular mayor in Indiana," Owen said. "He won (in 2007) by record margins and is considered the rising star in Indiana politics.




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 12:42 PM
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15. Want proof that the media and GOP are nuts? While the media is screaming Wright, the GOP ads invoke:
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 12:42 PM by ProSense
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