If ELECTIONS ARE CANCELLED

[Capn Sunshine]

THEN THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

New Meme. repeat often and post everywhere. The discussion of this aburdity must be stomped down NOW.
Thanks 56kid.

[shoelace414]

1. they keep saying

"they want to influence elections" implying the terrorists want Voldemort to lose. and that if the terrorists attack, you have to vote for voldemort

[jean]

3. bush doesn't rise to the level of you know who - bush is strictly

banana republic material

[Capn Sunshine]

4. If terrorists attack, Bush has failed

That one needs to be right on the heels of the other meme. It's true, for one thing.

Maybe if this is out there they might be encouraged to do their frikkin jobs instead of looking the other way while imagining increased war profits.

[shoelace414]

5. I think I like calling him Voldemort.

:kick:

[Myrina]

20. But he's so much more like the blonde kid from Slytherin ...

... whose name I CANNOT remember at the moment !! :freak:

[demwing]

23. Drako Malfoy

the weaniest weanie that ever weaned

Next to Bush, of course

[shoelace414]

29. You're right

Voldemort was competent.

but pure evil!

:evilgrin:

(Malfoy)

[July]

27. Very good.

Important message to get out, since they are now saying that we are safer.

May I add:

NO VOTE, NO DEMOCRACY.

IT'S UNAMERICAN TO CANCEL ELECTIONS.

31. the more memes, the better!

The republicans lose in a landslide of memes.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hoisted on their own petard.:evilgrin:

[LuminousX]

2. Cancelled Elections - I'm still going to the polls.

[libertad]

9. I'm going anyway. I think we all should.

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Good idea!

[Worst Username Ever]

6. Write a letter to your senator, you can use mine:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1948576&mesg_id=1948576

7. thanks capn

& I appreciate the attribution
shucks! :eyes:

I'll be repeating it, of course.

[Capn Sunshine]

8. I may go to church just for this purpose

I wonder if the 5000 member church near my home allows other faiths to visit.....:evilgrin:


edit: naaaaa, I'll make a bumpersticker

[Nicholas_J]

11. Its just not going to occur

The situation, even if there was another terrorist attack, is simply not bad enough to justify the cancellation of elections, given that elections were held during a far worse historical situation, during the civil war. The fact that Iraq is planning for elections within the next six months while insurgents are bombing, killing, maiming, kidnapping and beheading captives would simply make such an attempt not only unacceptable, but circumeventable by both Congress and the Supreme Court.

Though there are contingencies for the president doing so under extreme and exceptional situations, these situations are fairly well defined, and require considerable civil disorder and widespread occurences, not focal, regional ones. Even an event like a pre-planned melt down of a nuclear reactor by terrorists, and widespread regional nuclear contamination would not be sufficient grounds under the executive orders that created these contingencies would not allow it to occur. Breakdown would have to be on a national scale, requiring events where people were rioting in the streets in the hundreds of thousandsm burning and looting. Another 9/11, even with multi-state attacks would not do it. Even if the president could do so, the executive orders and legislation regarding these contingencies only allow the president to take over with somewhat dictatorial powers until Congress can meet to aqccess the situation and then vote to end the "dictatorship".Even in cases where the president takes on dictatorial powers, the power to postpone or cancel elections is not implied in these riders and legislation. As long as there is no emergency where Congress was was completely wiped out, the situation in which a president can cancel elections is not authorized in executive orders or legislation. This act has only been assumed to be one of the things the president coulds do in an emergency. In order to declare a national emergency, declare martial law, and do things like suspend nationa elections, the president must have the approval of a supermajority of congress, or more than 60 percent. Then he must also have a majority vote of approval from the Supreme Court. Which means that both the 60 percent of the Senate and House would have to authorize national emergency, as well as 5 out o 9 Supreme Court Justices.

12. Thanks for posting this

I also think it will not happen, even if all the things you state that would prevent it for some reason did not prevent it unless we let it happen & by we I mean the people.
If you have any links regarding the info you've posted, I'd be interested in them.

[Nicholas_J]

14. The only things that really can occur with regards to the establishing

Of Martial Law under the alterations to the alws regarding Posse Commitatus are the following:

Censorship of the Media (Including Internet), and to do so the President and Depoartment of Homeland Security would have to get and order from an FISA(Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) Court.
At that point the major media could be required to air only acrticles that have been approved by government censors,Internet sites containing information deemed seditious could be required to be blocked and computers and servers that did not do so could be confiscated, with the arrest and detainment of non-conforming web masters (Elad, Skinner and Earl G, We promise to visit every weekend).
A lot of this is going on already, with the government meeting with people at CNN, FOx and other stations to discuss how to run psychological operations programs to broadcast information showing the actions of the U.S. Government in Iraq and regarding the war on terror in a "positive light", not showing large numberos of Dead citizens in wheer we have trrops, not focusing on the number of dead, not showing coffins arriving, not focusing on the fact that Osam Bin Laden is still out there planning new improved acts of terrorism because we dedided that capturing Saddam Husseing would be better than capturing the people who planned the events of 9/11 and are continuing to plan for future terrorist events, and so on.

The major portions that the Patriot Act and resultend government comittees dealing with these possibilities are related to someing called "continuity of government". Tje nature of these meetings have also been considered a matter of national security so not much about them is easily available through FOIA, but by and large it seems that these discussions and the concept itself deal with one thing. The ability of the government to continue to collect income taxes through the IRS, Customs duties and Tarriffs through the Customs Service, and for the Environmental Protection Agency to continue to levy and collect fines. The reason that keeping these discussions secret was that the Administration didnt want citizens to know that they are more concerned with figuring out how to continue collecting government revenues than in keeping the citizens safe.

The main fact is that the president cannot declare martial law alone, or without a significant widespread civil breakdown occuring, such as millions of people involved in public protests of the continuation of the War in Iraq in such a manner that it disrupts business, transportation and other day to day activities. And then a supermajority vote would still be necessary. Which means that at least a good percentage of Democrats would have to agree to suspend the election in NOvember. I dont think that this is likely to happen.

[WillyT]

13. I Would Have Agreed With You Before Nov., Dec. 2000, And Jan. 2001 !!!

But now... who the fuck knows???

:shrug:

[demwing]

24. Right. I'd not have thought it possible...till I read this on Yahoo today

Ridge Warns of Election Terror Plot

KATHERINE PFLEGER SHRADER
Associated Press Writer

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040709/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/election_terror_threat&cid=542&ncid=716

"...the chairman of the new federal Election Assistance Commission complained Thursday that he was rebuffed when he wrote to Ridge seeking to discuss election security issues, including how to handle rescheduling the election if it were to be disrupted by an attack."

"What Ridge basically said is I don't have time to meet with you..."

I'll be in the street with my Constitution and my gun if they try any election shit.

[kwolf68]

15. This can't be serious

Cancel elections? Now that would be one hell of an encore for 2000.

[dusty64]

16. Has anyone outside this forum had

anything to say about this? To the best of my knowledge NO one in the "opposition" seems to have a problem with it and I SURE as hell do.

[Pathwalker]

18. Does Scot McClellen (White House Spokeman) count?

He was asked today if the White House would guarantee that elections would be held in the event of a terrorist attack. his response was less than comforting. Will try and find a link. It's somewhere here...

Check out today's daily briefing.

[dusty64]

25. No. I was hoping

to hear opposition to their plan. Guess we aren't going to.

[Pathwalker]

33. Wasn't Sen. Byrd talking about it on the Senate floor

yesterday? I think maybe one other Senator complained, but other than that - dead silence. Not a peep from the press, though.

[AlFrankenFan]

17. If the elections are cancelled

I will help make sure that something happens about it. I'm not going to let some daddy's boy like Bush fuck up the Democratic process, and I don't think the American people are either. :grr:

[shance]

19. The mere thought of cancelling elections is agenda driven and biased

and amazing it is even being dignified in ANY discussion.

If they cant win, they are going to just postphone the election?

Never, that I know of in history have our elections ever been cancelled. That includes our own Civil War.

So when will the real leaders dictate what is written in our Constitution and stand up?

[Zomby Woof]

21. they will never be cancelled

The best reason I can cite is that the illusion of democracy and its accoutrements of mom, apple pie, et al, must be provided so that the Bush regime can "maintain the fiction". That is, what good is crowing about how swell we are if we don't hold elections just to show people "Look! We're a democracy! See?"

No doubt the specter of the Patriot Act and other surrenders of our civil liberties makes the idea of cancelled elections a little more believable, but never, ever forget - as Reagan was so good at demonstrating - the power of illusion in an authoritarian government to hold masses of people in thrall.

[displacedyankeedem]

22. Theoretically If The Elections Are Cancelled

Then I predict we'll quickly see tanks rolling down Constitution Avenue to go collect the SOB at 1600 Pennsylvania. The Army's tired of Bush and isn't going to take it any more. Remember, they swear to uphold the Constitution, and not the President. As cancelled elections are unconstitutional, the army clearly has a valid reason to act.

BTW, what are the closest signifigant military units to DC?

[AmericanErrorist]

26. Let's see here...

Andrews AFB in Maryland (The home of the Presidential plane)
All 5 branches have headquaters in DC (But they're essentially offices with no fire power)

[displacedyankeedem]

34. MCAS Quantico in Virginia?

[Zynx]

30. Yeah. If they didn't postpone them during the Civil War, they won't now.

[Catfight]

28. Best way to prevent this is vote all the incumbents out. If we do

not have representatives who do not understand that voting is a fundamental basis of democracy, without it we have a dictatorship by default. If elections are postponed, I will meet everyone on the White House steps with our rifles for a revolution! We will take this country back and throw the menace out by the shirt if we have to. No little scoundrel is taking my right to vote his scoundrel ASS out of the White House he stole to begin with.

[TexasSissy]

32. Who has the authority to cancel them? I see this as a real threat.