With all the Wright-bashing and Obama-smearing HRC's campaign is doing...

[Ken Burch]

Why would ANY African American voters still back her?

Or anyone who actually wept when Dr. King died?

And why would anyone who cares about Civil Rights still think she could be on the side of antiracists?

Hasn't her campaign pretty much showed her true self here?

[tekisui]

1. She got only 8% of the black vote in PA.

That says something.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Don't let the FACTS get in the way of Our Lady of Perpetual Victimhood's "illustrious"

and ever-changing campaign spin. :eyes:

[mattclearing]

2. Not many do. n/t

[sandnsea]

3. Why would anyone who cares about civil rights vote for her

You don't have to be African American to be revolted by Democrats joining the media and right wingers to destroy an honored religious man, all for petty political gain.

[2rth2pwr]

4. This weekend is all Wright's, Hillary is staying out of the way.

[leftofcool]

6. I hope is book tour starts Wednesday

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[Seeker30]

18. Pot..meet Kettle

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[leftofcool]

25. project much?

[QC]

45. That's especially funny coming from one of the most relentlessly negative

posters on this board.

[Ken Burch]

73. I'm only negative towards those who don't want the party to be progressive

I'm negative towards the negative.

[Malikshah]

54. Are you delusional-- where in the post you referred to was there hate?

Oh, I get it. You forgot the sarcasm emoticon.

Get a grip.

[Triana]

50. ONE word: SURROGATE

They are very useful in ugly political campaigns like the one HRC is running. Using them, the candidate can appear to be oh-so-innocent of the smear being perpetrated upon its opponent.

[leftofcool]

5. We live in a 90% Black community

Most of our neighbors are voting for Hillary

[ShortnFiery]

8. If HRC steals the Nomination, no amount of "guilt tripping" will bring back The Democratic BASE.

:nuke:

[leftofcool]

9. You can steal something no one has won yet?

[ShortnFiery]

13. The Clintons have both the M$M and the GOP on their side ...

No, I think she CHEATS. My Party will have left me if Bubba and Hilly CHEAT and LIE their way to The Democratic Nomination. :(

[leftofcool]

26. You can always vote for Mccain

[ShortnFiery]

32. I guess that you were unable "to process" the above statement that GUILT TRIPPING will not work.

Not. This. Time. :nuke:

[BzaDem]

10. Who is solidly voting for Hillary.

In case you haven't noticed, Hillary has received more democratic votes than Obama has (even without MI and FL). The only reason Obama is winning is because he makes up that deficit in Indeps and Repugs.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Hold onto that belief and the GOP bring up oodles of scandals (not all contrived)...

The Clintons are almost as morally bankrupt as the Bushes. I can't believe that so many refuse to see through their LIES? :(

[thunder rising]

22. Not almost, the Clintons are as morally bankrupt as the Bushes. And the swarm of Hillary vermin is

paid for by the campaign.

[leftofcool]

28. I'm not getting paid

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[Window]

44. Do you have numbers, stats, etc., to back that up. I heard Hillary say the

same thing on the news the other day, but I haven't seen anything to corroborate the statement.

For instance, can you tell me if that is including/excluding caucuses, open and/or closed primaries?

Thank you in advance for your anticipated response.

[Ken Burch]

14. Why?

She doesn't care about them. The attacks on Wright prove that.

It's their call, but why are they voting to give up and "know their place"?

You know as well as I do that blacks will be out in the cold in a HRC administration. It's always like that with "moderates".

[thunder rising]

21. In the fantasy world of Hillary ... white people and black people love her Sing louder children

Auntie Hillary loves to hear you sing. SING DAMN YOU! SING

[blue sky at night]

7. all of the above...

don't support republicans.

[JoFerret]

11. Stop blaming

This terrible mess was not made by Hillary or her supporters. Please focus your energy where it belongs.

And I am not sure where that is actually.

[Ken Burch]

33. Yes it was. Your candidate has hated everything that Obama's movement stands for.

Your campaign hates idealism and hope. It hates the idea that young people care about politics again. And you've tried to make things harder for the whole party rather than let someone other than your candidate get elected. We haven't done anything to you to deserve this, and there's nothing so inherently superior about your candidate to warrant the destruction-based politics all of you are engaged in.

If HRC had done the right thing and got out after the eleventh straight loss, a Democratic victory in the fall would be a certainty. The ONLY reason that is now in question is because she's stayed in. The message is, HRC has NO loyalty to this party and no connection to what it stands for.

[JoFerret]

35. If you believe it to be true

it does not mean it is.

[Ken Burch]

39. There was only one candidate of the remaining two that brought new voters into the process.

Only one that cared about young people.

Only one that sought to heal this country.

And only one that has ideals.

And we both know which one that one is.

Why support the candidate who hates hope and despises idealists? The one who won't listen to any of us once sworn in?

[JoFerret]

75. Maybe

Maybe on the new voters - but at the expense of other voters so that's a wash.

Forget the "healing' - that is empty talk and opening and creating wounds is also true.

Not true on the only one with ideals. That is an illusion and a crock. As well as insulting and false.

So I do not reach your conclusions. At all.

[Perry Logan]

15. Normal readers note: Hillary-bashers are the biggest liars in the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5120659

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[ShortnFiery]

17. Yes, it will be another Bush-like Presidency - we're all just "Hillary haters"

:eyes:

[The Doctor.]

59. Seriously, it reminds me of people crying, "Oh WHY are you all so hateful of Bush?!?"

While we're all pointing at his criminal and treasonous behavior. Clinton could never be that bad, but her followers tend to be just as uninterested in the substance of the complaints.

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[The Doctor.]

58. I wasted my time on your lists full of nothing ONCE...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5240538#5241920

Not doing it again. Linking to OTHER Clinton supporters CLAIMING that Obama supporters are liars. Only proves you have a lot of nothing.

[GoldieAZ49]

20. HRC's: Wright-bashing and Obama-smearing

Links to that please? What has she or her campaign said?

Hillary is to busy running for POTUS to bother with the Wright

While Obama is running away from Wright


The weakness of Obama is his own fault

[ShortnFiery]

23. The only beacon of hope is that The Clintons are destroying themselves in the process ...

of tearing down Obama. It hurts that, perhaps, the only positive outcome of The Clintons "Take No Prisoners" Campaign is that the BUSH/CLINTON Presidential turnstile will be nixed. Small comfort but that may be the only HOPE. :shrug:

[Ken Burch]

24. If she was running for president to win, she would ONLY be bashing McCain.

Her campaign hasn't offered anything positive to anyone. She doesn't want the party united and inspired. She just wants us to obey.

But what she and YOU don't get is that she's behind and is going to stay behind and thus has no right to act like she's entitled to the nomination.

Why do you support a candidate who hates hope?

[GoldieAZ49]

40. Back up your charges with facts

again no links, just your delusional ranting

Obama only had hope to get into the white house, that isn't going to happen and you are bitter, I understand.

[Ken Burch]

41. Obama has a lot more than hopes. HRC never had anything positive to offer.

Her whole Pennsylvania campaign was a crusade against idealism. And she fought to divide us by spreading the smear that activists and working-class people have nothing in common, when the truth is most working-class people are economic progressives and join activists in fighting against globalization and corporate greed.

If your candidate DOES get in, will we even KNOW she's a Democratic president?

It certainly won't be an administration where people of color matter, or the young, or people who dream of a better world. And she'll stop pretending she cares about workers as soon as she's sworn in. No one who was on the WalMart board can be a populist.

[GoldieAZ49]

42. more bitter blathering

You won't know.

[Ken Burch]

43. Again with the "bitter"

You know Obama wasn't insulting workers. Stop with the lies already.

Why do you give such blind support to a candidate who isn't progressive and doesn't want us to have a vision of a better world?

She couldn't possibly have done anything to deserve your support.

[GoldieAZ49]

55. read my journal entry

I knew this was going to happen as soon as the Wright story broke in March.

What pisses me off is that the media didn't break the story in January when we still had options like Biden and Edwards.

Hillary is the only option now and is far better than Obama.

All the candy ass BS about Hope Change We are the ones we have been waiting for is empty rhetoric. Grow up.

We have a weak economy are in two countries fighting a war and you want to elect the lollipop man.

[hannybal]

29. Almost everyone is bashing Wright

And bashing a person for anti-American comments is not the same as simply bashing an African American for no reason.

[ShortnFiery]

34. Bullshit! Stop wrapping yourself in the flag! Wright was censoring America (govt) for

believing that she is GOD.

IF you had bothered to listen to Rev. Wright's comments FOLLOWING your little "out of context snippet" you would realize that it was NOT anti-American but censoring AMERICA to follow God's tenants.

Damn! How f**king DENSE! You've been listening to the M$M whores for way too long.

WHAT'S NEXT after the Hill-Billy's take The Unitarian Executive Branch: Loyalty Oaths?

Who's the UN-American NOW?!? :grr: :nuke:

[Arkansas Granny]

36. Where is all the Wright-bashing that Senator Clinton's campaign is doing?

Is this what you are talking about?

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GRAHAM, NC -- While saying -- once again -- that she would not have attended a church led by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Clinton said she regretted that Republicans have “politicized” the matter and criticized McCain for not acting more strongly to put a stop to ads by local Republicans that invoke Obama’s former pastor.

“I believe that if Senator McCain was serious, he would do more than send a letter,” Clinton told reporters this morning. “He is the putative nominee. I think he could very clearly tell the North Carolina party, tell the Mississippi party that he would not tolerate to those kinds of advertisements and I am waiting to see whether he does that.”

Asked later whether new public comments from Wright, particularly those mocking Presidents Kennedy and Johnson, reflected on Obama, Clinton was terse, saying only: “You’ll have to ask him that.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/28/952278.aspx

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Face it. There is nothing that Hillary could do or say at this point concerning Rev. Wright that would satisfy Obama's supporters. She is not responsible for Rev. Wright's remarks, she did not "leak" them to the media, she is not responsible for the media frenzy surrounding those remarks, she did not run the Republican ad, and she can't make it stop.

[Triana]

52. ONE word: SURROGATE

They are very useful in ugly political campaigns like the one HRC is running. Using them, the candidate can appear to be oh-so-innocent of the smear being perpetrated upon its opponent.

[Evergreen Emerald]

56. Who is her surrogate that is doing that?

[Triana]

60. Were you born this morning? HERE is the SURROGATE:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/louis/index.html


BARBARA REYNOLDS

[Evergreen Emerald]

64. what? Is he a child who cannot keep his mouth shut?

Did Reynolds tell him what to say? Did Reynolds purposefully attempt to attack Obama? Did she drag him there and force him to speak?

Did she drag Obama to that church and make him take Wright as his adviser for his campaign? Did she force Obama to call him Uncle and sit in the pews for 20 years?

What the hell are you talking about?

Oh, by the way, did you shout this loud when Obama's surrogates shouted "Racism!" from the rooftops of SC?

[Arkansas Granny]

68. All you have proven is that Rev. Wright appeared at a function hosted

by The National Press Club. Barbara Reynolds, who is a Hillary Clinton supporter, is a member of this organization and she spoke to Rev. Wright at that function. Has she made a statement concerning Rev. Wright or the remarks he made while he was there?

[Evergreen Emerald]

70. I think you might want to get your facts straight

http://reynoldsworldnews.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=5

[Arkansas Granny]

72. Have you done any research on Barbara Reynolds. You might like

to check her blog:

Without the prophetic, bold voices and organizing ability of leaders like Pastor Jeremiah Wright of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago there would be no U.S. Senator Barack Obama with a decent chance at becoming the first black president of the United States.

<snip>

Pastor Jeremiah Wright is no weird, anti-American hater and separatist cult leader. He loved his country enough to serve in the U.S. Marines. His denomination, the United Church of Christ, is a 90 percent white denomination. As a pastor, Wright married the Obamas, baptized their children, and a Wright sermon provided the title of Obama’s best-selling book "The Audacity of Hope."
The Jeremiah I know is a sought-after preacher in seminaries across the country. I have traveled with him, introduced him at the National Press Club and use his tapes as teaching tools in my prophetic ministry classes at the Howard University School of Divinity, where he often preaches to adoring audiences.


http://reynoldsworldnews.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2008-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&updated-max=2009-01-01T00%3A00%3A00-05%3A00&max-results=5

[Arkansas Granny]

62. Rev. Wright is pushing this story as much as anyone else. How many

interviews and speeches has he given in the past week? The media has grabbed this and run with it. As far as I've seen, Hillary's remarks have been pretty noncommital on the issue. She has no control over what Rev. Wright is doing to Obama.

[shaniqua6392]

37. If she wins the nomination

we can blame Rev. Wright. African Americans will vote for her over McCain if she is the nominee. They can not blame Clinton for Obama's problems right now. It is one of their own who is killing the chance for us to have the first African American President.

[Window]

38. She might get 1 or 2 black votes.

[MonkeyFunk]

46. Clinton has publicly said only one thing about Wright

and that was in response to a direct question - she said she wouldn't keep attending that church.

Clinton's not pushing this story - but so what if she DID push it? Wouldn't Obama's camp push something that's embarrassing to Clinton?

Is this your first time observing politics?

[Triana]

49. REPUBLICAN politics n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

51. But the more important fact is that Clinton is NOT pushing this

it doesn't need to be pushed. It's a sensational story, and of course it will get a lot of attention.

Not everything you don't like is Clinton's fault.

[Triana]

61. You mean she doesn't APPEAR to be pushing it. SURROGATE

Barbara Reynolds.

That's what surrogates are for - to keep the "campaign" from appearing to be involved.

[ruggerson]

66. She isn't a surrogate any more than you or I

[smiley_glad_hands]

47. Hill is doing rush's dirty work for him. eom

[Triana]

48. "Hasn't her campaign pretty much showed her true self here?"

Her campaign has showed its true self during the past few months. Ugly, divisive, willing to bed with anyone, DO or say ANYTHING, smear-by-association, swiftboat, and side with anyone to destroy her opponent. In a word: Republican

That's why I voted Obama. Eight years of Republican tactics like hers is enough. Electing someone who will only do more of it is NOT changing anything.

[Pryderi]

53. It's all high fives hooting and hollering at the Clinton campaign.

[Evergreen Emerald]

57. who in the Clinton campaign is doing that?

[Triana]

63. No one! A surrogate "enthusiastic supporter" outside the campaign is

That's what surrogates do - they do the campaign's dirty work whilst "the campaign" appears uninvolved.

[TexasObserver]

65. She has abandoned blacks entirely, and attempting to replace them with racists.

It's clear that Hillary's overall gameplan is to get enough racists to vote for her, as the WHITE candidate trying to stop the black man.

[Evergreen Emerald]

67. I am so deeply offended by this remark, made out of whole cloth with

no supporting facts. You are disgusting. Clinton is a progressive Senator who has worked her career for civil rights and on issues that minorities care about.

For you to suggest such a stupid, uniformed, intellectually lazy, asinine thing, is outrageous.

[TexasObserver]

71. Hillary IS what she DOES, and she does racism now.

Her 15 minutes have dragged out to over an hour, but it's almost gone, thank God.

[Hoof Hearted]

74. No YOU do racism, and race baiting, and racial divisiveness

Hillary keeps doing what she's been doing for over three decades. Fighting for minorities, women, children, working people and ALL OF US.

[Skwmom]

69. Did you hear Clyburn on MSNBC (or CNN). He said race is always and issue, even

if a black candidate isn't running. For instance, people always debate what percentage of black votes REPUBLICANS will receive. (I was only half listening but I'm pretty sure that he made that comment).

Clyburn is one heck of a smart man and a hell of a politician.

[springhill]

76. She has only commented on Wright, she did not bring it up. Why can't you tell the truth?