It is betterr for super delegates to take the chance on Obama, than lose loyal support

[cooolandrew]

As in business, if you lose your loyal customers, the business closes. Note, some African Americans are women so the AA vote does hold sway to the future existance of the party. Better to kEep them and all new voters to have any future at all for the party. A week is a long time in politics, Obama bounces back well. Obama is clearly worth the chance and delegate wise he, EARNED, it. You work hard, play by the rules, and one day, you too, can be president.

[leftofcool]

1. Take a chance?

And if he loses? But that's okay, the supers took a chance, right?

[cooolandrew]

2. It's about longevity of the party from your perspective it may suck from theirs it is everything.

[leftofcool]

3. I see, the "Party" is more important that the presidency.

[cooolandrew]

5. They will take that chanc than to lose their foundation. You remove a foundation a building collaps

[Voltaire]

6. So you would destroy the party in order to gain the presidency

I'm sure that makes sense to YOU

[leftofcool]

8. And you would have McCain?

[Voltaire]

27. If it is to be McCain

then we will have the intransigence of the Clintons and their supporters to thank for that.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. Absolutely.

The presidency is one person. The party is the continuity of commitment to a set of ideals. Sell out the ideals to gain the office, and you destroy the party.

As in, Clinton sold out the Democratic party in destroying the welfare safety net, in the creation of DOMA and DADT, in NAFTA - and the party lost control of congress for 12 years, giving the republican free rein to do as they will.

The party is ALWAYS more important than any person in the party.

[cali]

9. oh, and you think going with hilly wouldn't be taking a chance?

Of course it would. Either way, it's taking a chance. There are arguments for and against both.

[leftofcool]

14. Of course it is

I just don't buy into that fact that the "party" is going to be destroyed with Hillary as a candidate. That is pure RW/limbaugh bullshit spin.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. Last time a Clinton was in office we lost control of congress for 12 years.

Limbaugh doesn't NEED to spin that.

[Ashy Larry]

4. I think you might be buying the Clinton spin a little bit.

Obama is more electable than Clinton. They won't be taking a chance with Obama, they will be nominating the strongest candidate.

[cooolandrew]

7. I think he'll win too, but there are always those who have bought that view and I speak to them.

[leftofcool]

10. We will see

[SeaLyons]

11. The SD's will select based on electability...

end of story. SD's that have endorsed Obama, could very well switch to Clinton if they see that Obama is unelectable.

[cooolandrew]

13. Right you are an SD you like to be re-elected and know AAs alwasy vote Dem who do you select.

[leftofcool]

17. So SD's need to fear Blacks?

[mattclearing]

15. But they won't, because the superdelegates know Hillary is unelectable.

It's all well and good until the Republican Party drags out every disgusting half-truth and rumor from the last twenty years.

Even so, Hill has already doomed herself by running a weak campaign. What kind of candidate dismisses the states she loses and pretends they didn't happen? The kind that has no chance of winning in November.

It took her a year to figure out it's not 1992 and that Terry McAuliffe can't deliver the money that netroots activists can. Is that the kind of clueless leadership people want in the White House? Thank God we'll never find out.

[mattclearing]

12. The superdelegates know this.

These people know politics better than anyone at DU, and also know the Clintons better as well. There's a reason they are flocking to Obama. It's because Hillary has run a lazy campaign that she should have sewn up months ago, and everything about it suggests that she hasn't the political team to win the White House or the organizational skills to run it. Forget being ready to lead on day one, she wasn't even ready to run on day one.

[Texas Hill Country]

16. even AA's are realistic about what Wright did... they will blame Wright not the DNC

as for the youth vote... LOL

[Blondbostonian]

20. Whatever you say, sweetie

Keep your head in the sand.

I love the whole Obama "cult" talk. In reality, Obama supporters are college educated and have the critical thinking skills to understand how politics work and who the better candidate really is.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

18. Basically the Democratic Party would lose its momentum if they don't choose Obama

[DemVet]

19. The AA vote must not be allowed to hold the party hostage.

If the superdelegates decide Hillary is the best candidate, so be it.

If they decided Obama is the best candidate, so be it.

The AA vote is not the only thing that must be taken into account.

[SeaLyons]

21. I've said it numerous times on this board...

this is not an election for AA's only.

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. Not the ONLY thing that must be taken into account

but it is a pretty fucking big elephant in the living room. No party can survive if the leadership disses 40% of its electorate.

Why do you think the big money eastern republicans kiss up to the fundies? Because they have so much in common with them? Uh uh. Because the fundies are 40% of the republican vote, and without them they cannot win.

Obama is responsible for the biggest GOTV for the Democratic party in the past 40 years. Pass him over, and literally millions of newly registered black and young voters will say "fuck this" and stay home. The supers know this - even if Hillary pretends not to.

[mmonk]

22. I see it as you do. There has been a realignment in politics of late

towards unaffiliated or independent. Obama has been able to tap into some of that and bring them into the democratic fold. If this ends up Hillary's nomination anyway through a knee capping process using the same old politics, they will go back to unaffilated. No coat tails. Maybe further fracture. The party is at a dangerous place right now with an angry public that didn't see a democratic majority in congress do as much as they wanted in standing up. This is a little tragic given the historic opportunity against an unpopular president and party.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. And one reason for that realignment is that millions of Democrats

have seen the policies of the DLC not representing them. It is no coincidence that the rise of the independents mirrors the rise of the DLC in the democratic party and the neocons in the republican party. Niche power blocks have subsumed the will of the ranks in both parties.

This is our chance to fix that, within our party at least.

[azmouse]

28. kick