What is wrong with you people??? Seriously??? Take a step back, a deep breath and get back to

[Texas Hill Country]

reality!!!

I don't know how any of you can say that you would refuse to vote for "them"... i am flabbergasted.

The Clintons have been the standard bearers of the Democratic party for a long time.

Bill was an extremely popular president with a VERY successful presidency.

Both Bill and Hillary have done TONS for minority rights, especially Hillary.

You think Hillary is hurting minorities by staying in the race? I think it's friggin worse if she pandered and treated Obama differently than any other political candidate simply because he was black. If it were Edwards was still in the race instead of Obama, then there would be no accusations of racism, no accusations of destroying the minorities, none of this shit AND she would still be running against Edwards with just as much vigor. If anything, she is showing that she refuses to treat him differently because of the color of his skin.

Wright is not Hillary's fault. Obama did that to himself. And it's not because Wright and Obama are black that people are freakin out... it's because Wright is a friggin nutjob that holds many beliefs that are an anathma to most Americans. And we now all know that it takes about 5 minutes of hearing Wright to know where he is coming from... and most people wanna know how the hell Obama sat in those pews for 20 years. How he took his kids to hear that hunk of bullshit so that they would pass it on to their kids and perpetuate that crap... And don't give me that crap about how the did lots of good stuff, or there was more to the ministry than just that... There are a couple hundred churches Obama could have chosen. He chose this one and most people wanna know why. Also, dont give me the whole Wright is representative of the black church meme... I have been to many many black churches, this is not indicative of the black church as a whole.


So what are the things that you care about... really really care about... what are the things this country NEEDS???


1. A Democrat in office

2. To fix the economy

3. To get out of Iraq

4. To fix healthcare

5. To fix education


ALL 5 THINGS WILL BE ADDRESSED BY BOTH OBAMA AND CLINTON!!!!


So if Clinton ends up being the nominee and you stil wont vote for her because you are all butt hurt that your candidate didnt win, even though he has the essentially the same platform as Hillary... then you can kiss my ass.

You are not a Democrat.


/end rant

[John Q. Citizen]

1. Hillary lost the nomination in Wisconsin. So your argument is moot. But you can always dream...

[SteppingRazor]

5. Oh, I dunno about that...

I think the high-water mark of her campaign was the morning of February 6, but I definitely think she could have turned things around as late as March 4 with powerful showings in Ohio and Texas. I think the real nail in the coffin for the campaign was Texas, when she got the popular vote but failed to get more delegates than Obama. Without getting a significant delegate advantage in that state, it made the rest of the road nearly impossible.

[SteppingRazor]

2. I will be more than happy -- hell, damn proud -- to vote for Clinton in November...

I just don't think there's any chance of it happening.

[Texas Hill Country]

3. fair enough. :-)

[dkf]

4. HIllary wants to create a middle east umbrella where we attack any country that attacks those under

our protection.

That is a recipe for perpetual war.

FORGET THAT! Even McCain is saner than Hillary on this issue. Pretty much anybody is.

The only person I can think of who would love this idea is Joe Lieberman. Nuff said.

[SteppingRazor]

8. Actually, it was Hillary who criticized Obama for proposing that we carry out...

decapitating attacks in Pakistan with or without the Pakistani government's approval, so a case could be made for either side that it's the other side who has the war hard-on.

Personally, I agree with both sides to a point. I think Obama's right that if we get dead-on intelligence, we should kill a terrorist leader wherever he may be in the world, provided such a strike doesn't harm civilians.

At the same time, in the hypothetical situation that Iran nuked Israel without provocation (something I really don't think would ever happen, I should note), I really don't think we should just stand by and do nothing. I don't know about "obliteration" or nuking Tehran or what have you, but I would certainly expect America to come to the aid of its allies. That's why they're called allies, after all. :)

[dkf]

9. I have no problem with attacking those who attack us so going after OBL in Pakistan...I'm all for it

Protecting Middle East countries and going to war on their behalf? Not my problem...

The Middle East is a powder keg and I don't want any obligation whatsoever to fight on their behalf.

[hokies4ever]

16. Great point about Hillary's umbrella

I'll be writing in Ron Paul if Hillary gets the nomination over Obama. At least then I'll feel comfortable voting for a candidate not looking to start WWIII with Iran and put an entire continent under some magical military umbrella that will stretch our military to the breaking point. And let's not kid ourselves. It will be USA, Britain, and Israel on one side with Iran, Syria, and Russia on the other. China might use that opportunity to try to take back Taiwan or destabilize South Korea and then we have WWIII.

[dkf]

19. Ok, what you just said is worse than what I was envisioning

I hadn't gotten that far.

We cannot let this woman be President. She has shown a recklessness that is scary.

[gaspee]

22. So you belong to the party of Obama?

Ron Paul has so many fundamental differences with Democratic ideals and what the party stands for.

One is *NOT* interchangeable with the other.

You are an Obama supporter, not a Democrat and don't pretend otherwise.

You might want to read the DU rules.

And I don't plan on voting for Obama in the GE -- I"m writing in Gore or Jimmy Carter -- both real Democrats.

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[Milo_Bloom]

7. She voted for the war. Thus, I will not vote for her.

[wowimthere]

10. Wright shouldn't be an issue at all. Clinton still voted for this war!

Your argument is a valiant one. Are you your brother's keeper? Do you control the sound-bites that come out of your friend's or pastor's mouth? Family members? That your family says divisive things doesn't excuse them because you didn't choose your family member.

I'll bet you if someone pointed that judgmental stick back at you, you wouldn't know how to answer. Have you ever had a family member, friend, co-worker, pastor, associate say something derogatory, divisive, racist and stood by and never said a thing? I'll bet you have. I don't know anyone who hasn't. You don't choose your family members is the incredibly stupid saying.

Hillary, at best is a bigot and at worst is a hypocrite. And so are you. The Clintons broke bread with this man. The Clintons pardoned many known terrorist/activists. The Clintons have known lots bigots and racists that they probably will never break ties with. Bill belongs to a golf country club that doesn't allow African Americans. What do you say about that?

Why don't you put things in proper context. Wright is not Obama. If one man could represent everything about who you say you are then Bush by virtue of being the president could represent your views. We have a relationship with Bush for 7 years. The rest of the world thinks you and I are clueless for having elected him even though you probably didn't vote for him... and I know I didn't vote for him.

Calm yourself down before you want to judge Wright, Obama and anyone else.

[Citizen_Penn]

11. Did I miss another election?

When did we elect you the arbiter of all things Democratic?

Must have been dodging sniper fire that day!

Please, rant about dishonesty, death in Darfur, the mortgage crisis, vets without health care.

But back off me - you are not my guardian.

If I decide not to support Hillary Clinton - it's because SHE is not following Democratic principles.

It is not your choice, IT'S MINE.

[Lisa0825]

12. She is burning bridges left and right...

If it appears that she has stolen the nomination through dirty tricks and arm-twisting, and the candidate who actually should have won does not, then many people would not be able to, in good conscience, vote for her.

I will not support Democrats acting like Rove and Company. If that means only voting for the down-ticket races... well, I haven't entirely decided yet, but that option is not off the table for me. It all depends on how this comes out.

[hokies4ever]

13. Why Hillary polls in single digits with blacks

because she has not respected their vote this election. Blacks are tired of hearing about her 'big state' argument, which is a euphemistic way of saying that the white, working class vote is more important than the black vote. These stupid claims that the white, working class vote is a key constituency within the Democratic Party just doesn't make sense because it normally goes Republican, unlike the black vote which actually IS a key constituency within the Democratic Party. That's why blacks feel alienated from the Clinton campaign with no reconciliation in site, because Hillary continues her white, working class vote is more important than the black vote argument.

As a black man in my 20s, I actually didn't know that Jesse Jackson had won the SC primary twice in the 80s. That is, until Bill Clinton was happy to educate me on that matter. What should be a proud fact in black electoral history will now have this stupid footnote by it. Thanks Bill!

[SeaLyons]

14. K&R

Great Post...

:kick:

[shadowknows69]

15. Fuck you, don't speak for me and assume I won't vote for Clinton

Luckily I won't have to but I am a Democrat first and I'll support our nominee.

[The_Counsel]

17. Um ... 30% Of Hillary Supporters Claim They Won't Vote For Obama If He's The Nominee.

That's more than the % Of Obama supporters that won't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. By 10 percentage points. Maybe you should direct your little "screw you" rant at some of your fellow Hillary supporters first, y'think?

Second, the fact that those polls were even taken in March is dubious at best. Everyone's feelings are raw because we're still in the middle of the nominating process. I'll just bet that every year a quarter of each candidate's nominee says "if my boy doesn't get it, I ain't votin'!" Or "if my candidate doesn't win the nomination, I'm voting for the other party or third party" or whatever. But then Election Day comes, and most of those same bitter voters end up voting for the eventual nominee of their own party. And they don't even hold their nose doing it. Yeah, some do follow through on their threat, but not enough to be significant.

Now, having said that ... I'm one of those folks who will not be voting for Hillary if she's the nominee. But it won't be because I'm bitter. It's because of a lot of things. I said in '02 that any member of Congress who voted for the IWR ought not ever run for President, 'cause I ain't votin' for 'em. I meant it. Yeah, I still voted for Kerry, considering the alternative, but I had to scrub down with Brillo pads afterward. Never again. Fast forward to '08 and you have the IWR going against Hillary. You have her lies and shameless campaign tactics working against her. Those two alone has me to the point where I wouldn't even vote for her in an election for County Coroner. Add to this the fact that it would take a good-ole-boy superdelegate soft coup to get her the nomination, and my answer is simple: "hell no." But that's not bitterness. That's principle. Maybe I'll change my mind later, but I seriously doubt it...

[hokies4ever]

18. Alas, another Hillary superdelegate argument

that her negative campaigning has caused more of her supporters to hate Obama than Obama supporters to hate Hillary.

[Adelante]

20. It is nobody's business what church a candidate chooses to go to

We have freedom of religion by constitutional right. That mean's everybody. Using Obama's church or pastor against him is just more McCarthyite, guilt by association bullshit Clinton has stooped lower than dirt to reach in this primary season. Unacceptable. Inexcusable. In fact, a disgrace.

[johnlal]

21. If the Democrats are so concerned

...that so many of Obama's supporters won't support Clinton, then maybe next time they won't run somebody who can't win.