IF ...Barack Obama

[Auntie Bush]

is afraid to debate Hillary again...How will he find the courage to debate world leaders about world problems when he lacks the nerve to discuss silly stupid campaign questions and questions that will make him take a firm stand on his policies? He must realize he needs to develop/hone his debating skills (everything won't always be pre-written and on the teleprompter) and he still won't take advantage of the opportunity.

I personally don't think he has the experience to deal with world leaders should he become president. America depends on someone who can approach or deal with other country's with STRENGTH and TENACITY. That is what will improve our world image as a strong nation. Hillary can do that!

[CBGLuthier]

1. afraid?

It is not about being afraid it is about being smart enough to realize nothing can be gained from debating her.

Now, if you don't like the idea of a smart president we got a dumb as a bag of shit guy running already.

[indimuse]

10. sceeered!

Barack-Bok -Bok!

[Texas Hill Country]

30. i believe it is spelled... skeeered... with a k.

LOL

and i agree.


make him look very week.

[islandmkl]

2. "America depends on someone who can approach or deal with other country's with

STRENGTH and TENACITY."

uhhh...How's THAT working for us so far??

[Pawel K]

3. I thought Duers were smarter than this

I always assumed we could see politics for what it is, I guess not.

If hillary was up and Obama was demanding a debate and she was refusing you would be making a completely different argument, but I doubt you would see through your own hypocrisy.

[NNN0LHI]

5. Most of us DUers can spot silliness when we see it and this is silliness

[Avalux]

4. Who said he was afraid? Hillary's campaign of liars?

There's no reason to debate Hillary again; won't make one bit of difference. Obama has moved on to the GE which is exactly what he should do. He would only waste time and resources on an opponent who is no longer viable while she would get free air time.

[WeDidIt]

6. The issues have been debated again and again and again and

again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again.

They've been debated so many times that the only things left to debate about are flag pins and things other people say.

Why should we have any more debates?

[Auntie Bush]

14. Peace and nuclear weapons will be discussed again and again and again.

Will he someday decide he's tired of discussing PEACE with Israel and take OUR marbles and go home as it's a lost cause. I want someone I KNOW and have confidence in to fight long, hard and tenaciously for peace or any other world problem. We have HOPE Obama will do that...but we KNOW Hillary will...so I'm all for Hillary. She's a FIGHTER! If she wasn't she would have given up before PA. I want that kind of spirit representing our country and working through the senate for our Democratic issues...not someone who is scared or too timid to offend anyone...not even the Indies and Rethugs. Hillary won't be scared of them and with a strong majority in the congress...she is going to kick butt! That's what we need.

[cali]

23. we KNOW hillypoo voted to give chimpy a blank check for WAR

we KNOW Obama was against that selfsame war. We KNOW hillypoo voted against stopping the use of clusterbombs in civilian areas. We KNOW she uses bushlike aggressive language that concerns our allies and adversaries alike. We KNOW Barack doesn't.

We KNOW hillypoo sucks as a fighter. She's losing when she had every advantage

We KNOW that hillypoo sucks up to the worst elements of the right wing like Murdoch and Scaife and Faux news.

We KNOW that hillypoo will CONTINUE throwing activists like Moveon under the bus.

We KNOW that the people who work closest with her and know her don't think much of her. More of her fellow Senators have endorsed Obama.

We KNOW that she's a triangulating DLCer who's tried to do in Dean for years and that if she gets in, she'll reverse all the advances he made.

We KNOW she's a serial liar.

We KNOW more than enough.

She's a pathetic whiny candidate.

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[onenote]

31. poster referring to others as "Obapooers" complains about name calling. Rich. Very Rich.

[Auntie Bush]

35. See post number 23 by one of he worst name. callers on DU.

I didn't notice you correcting her...or is it only inappropriate to call Obama names? It's OK to slime Hillary!

[TahitiNut]

41. "Wahh! Wahh! Tommy did it first, Mommy!! Wahhh! Waaahh!"

[cali]

32. I'm sorry but your pathetic OP deserved nothing more.

you are utterly dishonest in said OP and it didn't deserve a respectful response. You got mocked for your bullshit. live with it. And whatever age I am,are you a Vermonter, really?

[Auntie Bush]

36. So what's wrong with my OP?

It's a lot more accurate than 98% of the anti Hillary posts on DU. You guys are so spoiled. I suggest you stay out of the kitchen or you're going to get burnt...when your man goes down in flames during the GE.

His decision today was the first start for turning a new leaf. Good for him to finally wise up...even thought DUers were still praising and supporting Wright. That's the best judgment he's shown in a long time...even though he only did it because his poll numbers were plummeting.

[cali]

49. stupid is as stupid does

and it doesn't do very well. First of all, this DUer never hopped on the Wright bandwagon and secondly, you can't know what Obama was thinking. As I said, personal relationships are complex.

[Waya]

7. Rubbish..............

......Obama isn't afraid to debate her, again. Exactly what did you miss in the first 21 debates? You haven't heard enough yet about Flagpins? There is no need for yet another debate - it's usually the one that is behind and losing that is screaming for another debate............... Hillary needs to quit making a spectacle of herself ....she's becoming a nuisance.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Tell me how many world leaders Clinton debated in two terms. Well?

[madwivoter]

9. Why should he waste his time?

Answer me that riddle. They spend very little time discussing issues, his time is better spent campaigning.

If you personally don't think he has the experience, what would you gain from yet another debate? Could he possibly change your mind?

I think you use the term "afraid" a little loosely...

[EnviroBat]

11. Wrong.

I an actual debate, Obama would easily crush either "opponent". The drive-by media hit jobs that are being passed of as debates are a waste of time, and un-necessary. Hillary doesn't need any more media freebies. If she wants exposure, she should buy air-time. Oh wait, that's right, I forgot, she's broke as hell.

[cottonseed]

12. Most of the world's leaders aren't as crazy as Hillary.

Why would he debate her?

[Auntie Bush]

15. Got a link for Hillary being

crazy? Remember she wasn't the one asking those crazy questions about both of them. Maybe some day it will be necessary to have talks with that really crazy guy from Iran. He's the one that claims he'll go have talks with all heads of state that want our demise ...but he can't talk to a woman with brass ones. Doesn't look good! Doesn't look presidential!

[cottonseed]

17. Threatening countries with "obliteration"

is something I would consider crazy and at the very least not 'presidential':

http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSN2224332720080422

Now, what's crazy about "obliteration" is that it carries with it the threat to kill 70 million people.

[Auntie Bush]

24. Silly You! Get with the program! Get up to date with American foreign policy!

That's been our foreign policy for about half a century! We are bound by treaty to defend Israel in the event they have received a nuclear attack.
She said IFFFF.......Irisal was attacked she would retaliate. She didn't say she would nuke them first. Stop spreading lies! remember she is also a Democratic and you are hurting our party with those false comments. But, of course only Clinton is blamed for that. The pot and the kettle come to mind.

You forget deliberately or otherwise to tell the truth (talk about Clinton) about her comments. Stop trying to mislead those DUers who are more than ready and willing to believe anything negative about Hillary and not look it up for themselves.

Don't you remember Raygun's cold war policy? Bush I, Bush II, Clinton I, Clinton II? Weren't we suppose to carry a big stick? What do you think that big stick is? Hillary hasn't changed a thing. I'd also bet if you asked Obama he's give the same answer. So stop with the histerics..it doesn't become you as a member of DU and the Democratic party. Take a much needed break from the stress of this primary.

Do you honestly think Iran or any other country would have the nerve to nuke Israel...if they knew they would be nuked off the face of the earth if they did? That's why they haven't done so yet...and never will. Same reason why Russia didn't nuke us.

[cottonseed]

26. Thank you for you're well written reply.

You're right about my comments. I was going for the shock treatment as opposed to acknowledging our foreign policy stance over decades. This primary season's getting a little tense and I think it's getting many people a little testy.

I will, however, make a comment on the "big stick" portion of your reply. The other half of that quote was to, "speak softly". Just as Hillary jumped on Obama for his Pakistan statements earlier this year stating, "You can think big, but remember, you shouldn't always say everything you think if you're running for president, because it has consequences around the world", I believe Hillary should take her own advice and avoid the bluster with her public statements. We carry a big stick, but I prefer speaking softly.



-- Presidential hopefuls attack Oboma's remarks about Pakistan
-- http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/07/obama.pakistan/index.html

[Auntie Bush]

28. Will wonders never cease?

We agree on something. that's at least a beginning! :hi:

Edited to add:

"This primary season's getting a little tense and I think it's getting many people a little testy." I agree with that 100% Another important thing we agree on. I try not to but it's soooo hard sometimes.

[Jed Dilligan]

39. And subtly parsed policy positions won it big for us in '04...

[CakeGrrl]

13. He has ALREADY explained this.

He's debated with Clinton 22 times.

What else can a debate do that the voters can't ask the candidates directly?

And what does not wanting to have the UMPTEEENTH debate with Clinton have to do with debating McCain? I'm sure he'd like to get on with the GE and focus on McCain once the primary is over.

[rocktivity]

16. Hillary needs these debates as free advertising. If the situtaion were reversed

she'd be laughing in Obama's face.

:boring:
rocknation

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

18. We'd be hearing that delightful laugh every time she was asked about it. n/t

[livetohike]

19. He won't be debating world leaders 21 times

:eyes: What experience does Hillary Clinton have beyond sociable meetings with world leaders as the First Lady??

[oviedodem]

20. Another RETARDED statement??

[dionysus]

21. give it a rest barr....

[Shakespeare]

22. OFFS. He's the frontrunner. He has nothing to gain by debating.

And her pathetic "back of a flatbed truck" begging shows just how aware SHE is of her trailing status.

[Auntie Bush]

29. It also shows she's a more knowledgeable and better debater.

If Obama had any self confidence in his ability ... he'd want to show the world and those on the fence and Indies what an intellectual politician he was. If you want to be the leader of the free world you have to be able to lead and handle a tough negotiation...not hide behind a womans skirts.

Ok, ok, that wasn't fair!

[Bensthename]

27. IT is not about being "afraid"...

It is about strategy. Hillary is broke, losing and needs the coverage. Obama does not need to support her campaign.

[walldude]

33. Maybe if you couldn't get what you needed from 21 debates

it's you with the problem not Obama. Plus if I were him I would have walked out of the last debate after the "flag pin" question. The debates are a freaking joke.

Let Hillary show her strength when she sits down with a known sexual predator for an interview. Tell you what, if Hillary calls O'Reilly on his lying, hypocritical, misogynist ways, I'll switch my support to her. For then she really will have shown some strength.

[2rth2pwr]

34. It's taken him months to do the right thing with Wright. If he can't even find

Unity with his Christian pastor of 20 years, how the hell can we trust him

to do it with sworn enemies?

[AllentownJake]

37. Its called

Sitting on a lead. Its a smart strategy.

[guyanakoolaid]

38. We've had seven years of STRENGTH and TENACITY... look where that kind of arrogance has got us

[SeattleGirl]

40. Jeezley cow! They've already done 21 debates!

He's not scared.

I'm really tired of this fucking shit being spouted here.

[Forkboy]

42. If the roles were reversed Hillary wouldn't debate him either, and you'd be cheering that.

You know it, I know it, DU knows it.

[CADEMOCRAT7]

43. You have to be liked for diplomacy, that is power.

Around the world, people like Obama.

[thoughtcrime1984]

44. Silly and stupid, Hillary can do that!

Good luck on her Senate election.

[ShortnFiery]

45. No, Obama is a stealth and smart fighter NOT "a swaggering bully" that HRC has consistently

proven herself to be ... over and over and over again. ;)

[ruby slippers]

46. if he could just be as forceful with Hillary as he was with Wright....then

he could debate her hands down. I think the problem he has is that he is Mr. Nice Guy and with a woman it is even harder to say things forcefully.

I hope now he has found his voice. Yes, we want a different campaign, but sometimes you just have to play the game.....it is time for Obama to play hardball.....

[saltpoint]

47. Not a real close read of events.

[hokies4ever]

48. Debates 101

When behind or strapped for cash, demand debates as much as possible. When Hillary was the presumed frontrunner before Obama's streak of 11 victories, he asked for a debate a week to supplement the already scheduled debates and Hillary declined.

Obama is favored to win more delegates on the next primary date with IN and NC. Hillary is also strapped for cash compared to Obama, so why give her free press? She's already decided to go negative for these next two primaries, so why appease her? Commonsense is for him NOT to debate BEFORE that date. Hillary is heavily favored in states like West Virginia and Kentucky. Commonsense is for Obama to debate Hillary before those primaries. This is why Obama said that he wouldn't debate her before the IN and NC primaries. Obviously he's waiting for a date favorable to him to debate her.

Class dismissed.

[oasis]

50. Obama's not much of a debater but he is one helluva bullshiter. (eom)