If Obama can't beat Clinton... then Clinton is more "electable".

[Mezzo]

That's all there is to it.

If you choose to fall for M$M spin, well... that's your choice. We see where that's led this country before...

[dionysus]

1. phew... anyone smell horseshit?

someone light a match....

:rofl:

[uponit7771]

19. lol

[Mezzo]

57. not those of us not eating all that Obama crap. nt

[Alexander]

67. A double negative? Didn't you ever take an English class?

Maybe you slept through it.

[NJmaverick]

2. Hillary couldn't beat Obama- so by your reasoning, Hillary should drop out

[Mezzo]

8. FACT: More Americans have voted for Hillary Clinton than have for Barack Obama. Get over it.

[NJmaverick]

14. FACT- Hillary lost the delgate race and the popular vote

Don't pass off dishonest hillary statements as "fact"

[Mezzo]

22. stop lying. She has not lost a delegate race at all. Check yourself. And, again, MORE AMERICANS

have voted for her.

[Mooney]

25. Substantiate that.

If it's a fact (or a "FACT") you should be able to produce evidence to support it pretty easily.

As it stands, Obama has more delegates and a greater share of the popular vote. Please disabuse me of this fallacious viewpoint.

[LVjinx]

49. Hillary actually has a 200,000 popular vote lead.

FL and MI might not have their delegates counted (yet) but that doesn't mean their voters don't count. Or is Team Obama now actually saying the voters should be cut loose as well?

[cascadiance]

60. You've already "cut loose" Obama voters in Michigan!

that can't be determined, and because we can't (because the state administrators F'D UP!) we necessarily can't count hers there.

If you have a bone to pick, you and her campaign should have allowed the caucus revote to happen that was offered, or else offered to pay for the additional primary that your surrogates in those states f'd up!

[Mezzo]

62. No...OBAMA cut loose his voters in Michigan!

They offered to have his name on the ballot, and he abandoned the people.

[cascadiance]

64. And Clinton committed to not being a part of the Michigan travesty either!

She only wants to change the rules now to allow it to count for her later. She's trying to "game" the system, and will get away with it if people like you have no principles to call her out on it.

[NJmaverick]

29. DENIAL- More than a river in Egypt

[JackORoses]

43. votes from invalid elections don't count, moron

but you already know that, don't you?

The ability of Hillarites to willingly spread lies is beyond anything I have ever seen.

[Mezzo]

63. No one had an invalid election stupid ass.

They'll be seated, but you already knew that....or you were too stupid with hope and ponies.

[cascadiance]

65. The DNC, NOT the Clinton campaign decides if an election is valid or not!

They decided it wasn't, since those running it didn't follow the rules!

[JackORoses]

66. sure they did. The elections in FL and MI were ruled invalid before they were even held.

everyone knew it going into the voting booth.
That's why alot of people stayed home.
That's why the elections are flawed beyond repair.

[cascadiance]

56. You must also then accept that more people voted for Saddam Hussein in 2002 then...

... when he ran unopposed, much like the votes you are counting from Michigan when you make this statement.

Real champion of democratic rule aren't you!

[hokies4ever]

54. Hilarious counter to your assertion, by Olbermann

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VSwcv7vE4xQ

Okay, I admit it: Clinton is winning*

*long Clinton disclaimer (hilarious!)

[islandmkl]

3. my new t-shirt: "Things suck right now....Why CHANGE anything?"

[WeDidIt]

4. Obama HAS beaten Clinton

To date, Hillary Clinton has not held the pledged delegate lead once.

Not once since Iowa went to the caucuses.

Obama has held the lead in all contests all year.

So, Obama is more electable.

[Radical Activist]

6. ding. you win the prize.

[Mezzo]

11. FACT: More Americans have voted for Hillary Clinton than have for Barack Obama. Get over it.

[Selatius]

21. Only if you accept how she counts the votes. The DNC doesn't accept how she counts them. n/t

[Mezzo]

23. FACT: More Americans have voted for Hillary Clinton than have for Barack Obama. Get over it.

it bears repeating.

[wileedog]

26. Why are you disenfranchising caucus states?

[wileedog]

27. *dupe*

[Selatius]

28. Nope. The DNC invalidated the totals in Michigan and Florida.

The fact that Obama was removed from the ballot while Hillary's name was still left on those ballots made those votes rather unfair.

[LVjinx]

51. The DELEGATES were invalidated, not the voters. Are you Obamites really pushing that?

If so, despicable.

[cascadiance]

58. And despicable you are invalidating voters from caucus states too!

Play by the frickin' rules!

[Selatius]

61. Nope. You are pushing it. To win, you need delegates. Hillary is trailing nt

[Cheap_Trick]

36. FACT: yours is a typical hillbot response

keep repeating the same tired bullshit without being able to back it up with FACTS. Just because you say it's a fact doesn't make it so.

[LVjinx]

50. You're talking about the delegates, right? Not the actual people who voted?

Because if you're actually putting forth the idea that not just the delegates, but the votes themselves should not count, you've crossed a line.

[cascadiance]

59. How ALL the people voted isn't determinable. To say it is is a LIE!

Those who wanted to vote for Obama in Michigan weren't able to.

Those who voted in caucus states didn't have their votes totalled either.

The delegates are how we count voter representation. You can't change the rules just to suit you.

[WeDidIt]

32. If you count Florida and Michigan

and don't count 13 caucus states, you're right.

But if you count Florida and Michigan, you should also start counting every internet poll because they are every bit as legitimate as the beauty contests held in Florida and Michigan.

[RaleighNCDUer]

38. That would mean something, if the popular vote counted.

Of course, if the popular vote counted Obama would have campaigned for the popular vote instead of for the delegates, and he'd STILL be ahead.

Hillary's done. Get over it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. So what does the fact that Obama has been Clinton mean?

:shrug:

[Mezzo]

16. I didn't realize Obama had been Clinton at all.

:shrug:

[Mooney]

30. Welcome to enlightenment.

It's been over for two months. Hillary just refuses to leave the field.

[Monty__]

7. By what reasoning can Obama not beat Clinton?

Last time I checked he's beating her now

[Mooney]

9. He already beat her, when he won Wisconsin.

That's when he amassed the delegate lead that Hillary, for all her bloviating, can't make a dent in. The deal was closed two months ago. The only people who refuse to see this are the most rabid HRC partisans.

[Edgewater_Joe]

10. Obama HAS Beat Clinton

Please try to keep up, willya?

[JackORoses]

12. He has beat her in 31 contests. How many has she won? oh, less than half of that.

The One who wins more elections is more electable.

[redqueen]

13. I really hope this is your third thread today.

[godai]

15. Obama is beating Clinton.

Clinton has no way to catch and beat Obama. Her only hope is the politics of destruction. How inspiring!

[Selatius]

17. False dichotomy. Next. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

31. Beat me to it!

Fallacious reasoning is common for this poster. ;)

[JKaiser]

18. Agreed! Obama fans will make a mistake if he becomes our nominee. He will lose

young people won't vote in the GE... He won't win red states ( where all the African americans are from) Some Hillary fans will be angry and will sit on their hands and not vote.. He can't and won't win... This is depressing!

[RaleighNCDUer]

44. So the young folks that DID turn out for primaries WON'T turn out

for the GE? Great logic there.

Obama WILL take red states that Hillary couldn't touch. And if the DLC want to go rejoin the republican party, I invite them to go. Clear the air around here.

[JKaiser]

47. Sorry I just don't agree with you..

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. That's your perogative.

But you will see, facts have a way of trumping opinion.

[Yael]

20. *points to the scoreboard, sighs and walks away*

[CTD]

24. HERE is your analogy

The Super Bowl is over. The clock has wound down to 0:00. The score is 34-24. But the losing team refuses to leave the field, insisting that the point score shouldn't matter but, rather, time of possession (which favors the losing team) or first downs (which also favors the losing team). Anything but the actual SCORE. And until something other than the point score is used to determine the winner, they simply refuse to leave the field.

Hillary has lost. It's over. Any other candidate under the same circumstances would have gracefully dropped out by now.

[Lucky 13]

33. He IS beating Clinton.

He has made it nearly mathematically impossible for her to win. Every day, with every new superdelegate, her path to victory gets steeper and steeper. Just because someone refuses to drop out doesn't mean they aren't being beaten. As many have joked, she may still be campaigning when Obama takes office on January 20th.

[Vinca]

34. If Clinton can't beat Obama . . . then Obama is more "electable."

That's all there is to it. What's the matter with Hillary, anyway? She was supposed to close the deal on Super Tuesday, but she just can't beat Obama. He's still ahead in states, delegates and popular votes and there is no realistic way for her to catch him.

[redqueen]

35. How much did she start out with? $200 million? More?

And blew it all... and has only desperation, spin, lies and a losing campaign to show for it.

Why anyone wants to put her campaign up against McCain in the GE is beyond me.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

39. Plus, she had a HUGE superdelegate advantage.

[redqueen]

41. She started out with every advantage there is... and STILL lost.

[RaleighNCDUer]

37. And visa versa.

And since he is leading in ALL respects, that leaves but one conclusion.

[Texas Hill Country]

40. yep

[slick8790]

42. ...No, not really.

Edwards did better than either of these two against all republicans. But he didn't beat Clinton or Obama.

If you don't get it, there's a disconnect between primary and GE elections. One has independents and crossover republicans. The other does not.

[haymakeragain]

45. Logic is not your friend.

Nor is common sense.

[wowimthere]

46. Clinton can't beat Obama, how can she beat the Right wing?

[NeedleCast]

52. Obama IS beating Clinton

[Avalux]

53. He's been beating her since Iowa - she has NEVER led this race, not once.

And when all is said and done, she will have lost without every leading.

[Umbram]

55. How intellectual. Thanks for adding to the debate! (nt)

[shadowknows69]

68. He has beat her, next