20 years too late Obama.

[aquarius dawning]

He wasn't antithetical to what you're all about until he became politically inconvenient. This was your spiritual adviser and mentor for the past 20 years. This is the man who married you and your wife and who baptized your children. You could not possibly have not known what he was all about after 20 years; furthermore, your supporters have spent the past month defending his over-the-top outrageousness. I guess they were all wrong, huh? Now what will the story be, Wright was right but now he's wrong? 20 years too late.

[niyad]

1. well said

[ellacott]

5. Not really well said

No one here has knowledge of what Rev. Wright was like for the entire 20yrs.

[niyad]

26. sorry, but, according to one of the commentators on KO, wright's views have

been VERY well-known within the black community, and most of his fellow ministers have known him for his fiery oratory, nothing he has said recently, nor the things he said in the snippets that keep getting repeated, are new.

try paying attention.

for the record, I don't have anything against what wright has said, just as I had nothing against what ward churchill said. what I object to is obama trying to have us believe that he knew nothing of wright's views. that is not even remotely credible.

[ellacott]

40. Oh Shut up

Fiery rhetoric is not controversial.

I went to a church that had a fiery pastor also. It was after a number of years that he began to say things across the pulpit that would be considered offensive by many people. I didn't have to learn it from K.O.

NOW YOU PAY ATTENTION!!

If you accept what Rev. Wright says along with Ward Churchill then you've got some serious issues and frankly don't know what the hell you are talking about.

[pecwae]

28. Very well said.

[bowens43]

2. yeah right.......keep dreaming.

[MADem]

You've been saying that a lot today. NT

[Hoof Hearted]

3. if he would have quit the church 5 years ago, and been honest about it from the start

this would be a non-issue.

[gal]

47. If you want to make this a issue then we need to consider Hillary's as well.

Obama did not say these things nor does he agree with them. If you say this is a issue for him then you have to agree with Bill Clinton's impeachment, affairs, investigations, NAFTA being issues as well. She has stayed with Bill Clinton and been influenced for over 30 years. She could have spoken out agnist him as well, but she didn't.

Fair is Fair.

[9119495]

4. Watch out...because ANY fuck-knob the Clintons ever employed

shall now be applied to this standard.

What about that Chinese fund raiser-dude she took all that money from?

Didn't she STAY with a guy that had numerous affairs during their marriage? Has she no self-respect? Shouldn't she have distanced herself? Left him? What will this story be? One of loyalty or gullibility?

[Mz Pip]

6. I seriously doubt

Wright gave the kind of sermons and speeches in church for the past 20 years like he did yesterday. If he did there would be a whole lot more than just the few sound bites that keep getting repeated over and over.

IMHO Wright felt the lure of fame from having his parishioner running for President and decided to put himself in the spotlight. He's running to be the next Al Sharpton. Obama was his ticket to notoriety and he is riding it as far as it will take him. He's on a monumental ego trip.

[Gore1FL]

7. Last time I checked

he still has a delegate lead that no other candidate has a chance of surpassing. I guess it wasn't all that late, after all. I am glad he took the phony controversy off the table though.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Shall we talk about your candidate's creepy prayer cult?

You know, the one she's been in for going on 20 years? With the segregated cells and the weird inner circle and the belief that a small elite group should run everything and Christianity should be the official state religion? You know, "The Family"?

Or does it not matter because they're nice white people?

[gauguin57]

63. Yeah, really. The Family, aka The Fellowship.

Most Congressional members are Rethugs -- Hillary a Dem. exception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)

[wileedog]

9. Do you have tapes of what Wright was preaching 20 years ago?

[LSparkle]

10. Wright didn't imply Obama was a PHONY until yesterday ...

Like a good Christian, Obama gave Wright the benefit of the doubt for
as long as he could. When Wright implied that Obama was LYING about
the extent of their relationship -- saying that Obama had only distanced
himself from Wright as much as he "had to for political purposes" --
then I can fully understand Obama's righteous indignation. Wright was
trying to keep his and Obama's wagons hitched together -- even as
Obama has pointed out that he differs with many of Wright's opinions.
Obama stuck with the man as long as he could, as long as he believed
Wright was his friend. Wright's behavior at the National Press Club
yesterday proved to Obama that Wright was no longer a man who had
his best interests at heart -- he was there for revenge, and didn't
give a damn how his behavior affected Obama or his campaign.

[LakeSamish706]

11. If your candidate is Hillary, I would have loved to see how she would have handled this...

It would have been a hilarious nightmare to be sure... Since she does not know how to say that she was wrong on anything, it would have been funny to say the least.

[blm]

55. Hillary won't HAVE TO handle it - Douglas Coe is a MADE MAN in Bush's DC and that includes media

who will give him all the privacy he needs and THAT is why Hillary chose his group in 1993 to convene in their fascist 'faith' of the privileged and the powerful.

[JoFerret]

58. What nonsense.

.

[blm]

66. Sure - then who is Douglas Coe and the Fellowship to you and how did they start their mission

in DC?

[SeaLyons]

12. That's exactly how this will be perceived by the voters...

Obama just can't come across sincere - his 20 year involvement makes it impossible.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. About 2 months too late, AD.

Obama's got the nomination sewn up.

Who's it going to be? Him or McCain?

I guess we know who's side you're on.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. Every day.

Sitting in that pew.

Listening to that vile filth.

How could he betray us like this?

Twenty years.

Wow!

Twenty!

It's too late, man.

Twenty years too late.

Did I mention "vile filth?"

It's really an outrage.

Not like the other stuff that I said was outrageous.

Really outrageous.

Twenty fucking years...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. Which type of Pastorbator are you, anyway, aquarius?

The "genuinely offended" kind? IOW, a jingoistic, flag-humping, "typical" white person?

Or, a cynical hack who sees Wright as an opportunity to exploit the aforementioned type of people?

Either way, you're a jerk but at least get your story straight.

[aquarius dawning]

56. all of the above actually.

I do love America. I would bleed on the flag to keep the stripes red. 8 years in the US Infantry has a way of making you that way. I was trained to pull the flag down, to cut the stars out, and to then take my own life in the event of my post being overrun rather than let our flag fall into enemy hands. I and Most every "typical" white person I served with would have done it too. That being said, I find you to be quite offensive. I wouldn't talk to you at a party and I promise you, you would only call me a jingoistic, flag-humping, "typical" white person once to my face. I thoroughly enjoy destroying Obama just becasue I know he has the support of (insert worst imaginable expletive here) like you.



"Either way, you're a jerk but at least get your story straight."
You're obviously the one being a jerk here.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

57. Ah, I see I struck a nerve. Poor widdle baybee.

And as a 10 year US Navy veteran, I say to you that when I raised my hand and took that oath it was to protect the Constitution.

Not the flag.

BTW, I served with many kinds of people including *gasp* non-white ones! Were you in some All Caucasian Jingoist Unit that I'm not aware of?

:shrug:

:rofl:

On edit: Upon rereading your post, between the hyperbole "I'd bleed on the flag...." and the patriotic photo homage to your Queen, I have just one thing to say to you:

Step away from the keyboard. Really. :scared:

:rofl:

[haymakeragain]

16. You got what you want. Quit whining.

You hillarians are washington business as usual numbnuts and when you get washington business as usual idiocy, you whine about it.

Hillary cannot get enough to win and Obama will be the nominee, deal with it sooner rather than later.

[yodermon]

17. please cite.

You reference 20 years of "over-the-top outrageousness". Please cite these outrageous comments. Excluding the recent ones that we've seen repeated ad nauseum.

Quotes and links please.

thanks.

[undeterred]

18. aquarius drowning

:hurts:

[Apollo11]

19. "My Pastor for the past 20 years shares none of my basic beliefs. Who knew?"

I guess the Obama campaign thinks it is a slam-dunk case, and their candidate hit the ball out of the park by severing his ties with Wright.

Obama knows it's a weak case, and that's why he looked real nervous and hesitant answering questions from the press less than one hour ago.

[nuncvendetta]

27. Didn't Hillary say in her book that she was shocked when Bill finally admitted the affair?

Yes, yes she did. No matter that Gennifer Flowers and Paula Jones has been accusing him of shit for a decade. No, that was all just taken out of context. But when you finally heard it from his mouth directly - wow, you were incredibly overcome with anger. Who knew?

So how is Hillary any better? Anyone? Anyone?

[Phillycat]

46. Um.

I think we can safely assume that a man having an extramarital affair is going to try to keep it a secret from his wife. Whereas Reverend Wright was LITERALLY saying these things INTO A MICROPHONE. So yeah, not even close to the same thing.

[TheZug]

20. Should liberal Catholics condemn the Church?

[Apollo11]

32. When the Church is wrong, I think they should say so.

But then I am not a member of any church, and believe that The Bible is a work of fiction.

[TheZug]

33. But there are a lot of Catholics and others who don't, but the uppity black preacher . . .

. . . must be condemned. What's the difference, I wonder?

[Apollo11]

35. The difference is that Barack Obama is running for President

And most people outside of Chicago had never heard of Obama until 4 years ago.

So part of this whole campaign is Obama introducing himself to the American public.

[TheZug]

41. John Kerry ran for president. Why wasn't he required to condemn the Church?

Here's why: because he's white and Catholic, and so are a lot of liberals. They live with the contradictions every day, and think nothing of them. But when they see those same contradictions with a black person in a black church, suddenly they're disturbed.

[Apollo11]

36. dupe

my bad B-)

[nuncvendetta]

21. Is this Obama vis Wright, or Hillary vis her husband?

Bill Clinton wasn't antithetical to what you're all about until he became politically inconvenient (which he hasn't, so you continue to stand by his side instead of being an empowered woman who has the guts to dump him). This was your husband and friend for the past 20 years. This is the man you married and with whom you had children. You could not possibly have not known what he was all about after 20 years (Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones); furthermore, your supporters spent months defending his over-the-top outrageousness (right-wing conspiracy). I guess they were all wrong, huh? Now what will the story be, Bill Clinton was right but now he's wrong? 20 years too late.

[Texas Hill Country]

22. well put

[David__77]

23. White chauvinism stinks beyond belef.

I'm not saying this in response to any particular post, but felt it needed to be said about the "Wright issue."

There is a quite numerous gang of pseudo-progressives who literally think that Black people are not oppressed due to their nationality, and who indeed find it racist ("anti-white") to point to such facts. Progressives should firmly dissociate themselves from such white chauvinist ideology.

[yardwork]

37. I agree. I've decided to start saying what I really believe, which is that they are racists.

Racists and scaredy-cats who can't really deal with the idea of a black man as president. That's what we're seeing here. That's what's behind the hand-wringing.

[d00mzday]

24. About 4000 Dead soldiers too late Mrs Clinton

Sad thing is she didn't even read the papers before sending them off.

[ampad]

42. Thank you

but they want to talk about the scary black Rev.

20 years, you can take that tired ass meme and stick it where you racist behind don't shine. You want a number a big number. Try the over 4000 dead that the stupid goddess of peace help send to war. Now let us add up how many children are without a mommy and daddy tonight. Let us add up how many men and women are without their loved one tonight. Let us add up how many mothers have cried themselves to sleep because they lost a child. Let us add all that up then you can stick it. Oh the pesky NIE, too much for the Goddess of Peace to read. She got her ass all up on a high horse with that floor speech didn't she? Showing the world how "tough" she was, tough to send others to die for a war for political posturing but hey keep your scary preacher you racist clown. Keep your 20 years meme because that is all you clowns have right about now, isn't it? You are all sad, sad sorry sacks. Looking at thing though a fucking black and white lens kind of like repigs do. When Obama officially becomes the nominee don't let the door hit you in the ass too hard. I have a feeling that freerepublic will be getting and influx of new members in the next couple of weeks, thank the gods.

[FatDave]

25. Is there much evidence that Obama and Wright were closer than any churchgoer and their pastor?

I mean, sure, he married Barack and Michelle, he baptized their children, but that's standard pastor stuff. The campaign called him "spiritual adviser", but it's surely standard to give your pastor an honorary but largely meaningless title like that.

Unless you can show that they had a relationship much closer than pastor/parishioner, then you have to say that no person belonging to the same congregation would ever be eligible to be president. You've got to rule that 10,000 people are ineligible to be President simply because of the church they attended.

Hmmmm....maybe it's time for a new constitutional amendment.

[niyad]

30. um, wright was also obama's mentor, not just his spiritual advisor.

nice try at a distinction, though.

[haymakeragain]

38. Define "mentor" in this case.

Thanks.

[FatDave]

39. A mentor even?

Define "mentor" in this instance. Isn't "mentor" just another term of respect a lot of people would likely give to their pastor?

I'm not saying there isn't a deeper connection, but I haven't seen it. If there's a deeper connection there, wouldn't we be seeing Pat Buchannan constantly saying "this guy wasn't just his pastor, he was also his drinking buddy! Their kids played together!"

So come on. Show me how close they really were. For all I know, maybe they were. But if they were, the burden of proof is on the accuser (that's you in this case), because I'm sure you know that it is impossible to prove a negative.

[Laughing Mirror]

43. That's not what Wright says, however

He says he was Obama's "pastor" for 20 years, "not his spiritual mentor." I am quoting him. He was very clear about this. This was in the question and answer period of the National Press Club speach yesterday.

This probably wasn't reported, it was such a detail, so the lie will continue as posters innocently spread it.

[FatDave]

48. ...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

52. Obama deicated and name his 2 books in honor of his Spiritual adviser and mentor .

[FatDave]

53. I don't have "Dreams of My Father", but my copy of "The Audacity of Hope" is dedicated thusly:

To the women who raised me--

MY MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER, TUTU,
who's been a rock of stability throughout my life,

and

MY MOTHER,
whose loving spirit sustains me still

I guess "My mentor and spiritual adviser, Reverend Jeremiah Wright" is implied in there somewhere?

[samsingh]

29. are hillary and mccain denouncing their waco supporters

mellon scaife comes to mind.

[1776Forever]

31. Circumstances & people change over the years - Rev. Wright is VERY accomplished......

and makes me think that when Obama first met him he was not the same man he is now. Here is a link to his awards and accomplishments. He is certainly not a deadbeat!

http://www.thehistorymakers.com/biography/biography.asp?bioindex=331&category=religionMakers

Wright is the recipient of numerous awards, including three honorary doctorates and three presidential commendations. An accomplished musician and author, Wright has written four books, numerous articles and countless sermons and was named one of Ebony's top fifteen preachers. In addition to national and international ministry, Wright serves on several boards of directors and committees. Married to the Reverend Ramah Reed Wright, Wright has five children and three grandchildren.

[yardwork]

34. In my opinion, anyone who has a big problem with Wright is probably a racist.

That's right. I'll say it. Anyone who is genuinely upset about Reverend Wright's speeches, and thinks that it has anything whatsoever to do with Obama's leadership abilities, is probably a racist.

I'll go further. Not only are such people probably racists, they're scared of black people.

[Laughing Mirror]

44. Wrights says he was not Obama's "spiritual adviser and mentor," but his pastor

"I am a pastor, he's a member. I'm not a spiritual mentor, guru. I'm his pastor."

So I don't know if it's a good idea to continue making a pastor into something he is not. Wright was adamant about this, which only shows up on the video, not in this transcript from Q&A period at National Press Club yesterday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/us/politics/28text-wright.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

MODERATOR: In light of your widely quoted comment damning America, do you think you owe the American people an apology? If not, do you think that America is still damned in the eyes of God? REVEREND WRIGHT: The governmental leaders, those -- as I said to Barack Obama, my member -- I am a pastor, he's a member. I'm not a spiritual mentor, guru. I'm his pastor.

And I said to Barack Obama, last year, "If you get elected, November the 5th, I'm coming after you, because you'll be representing a government whose policies grind under people." All right? It's about policy, not the American people.

[Life Long Dem]

45. What are you talking about? Wright showed he turned on Obama yesterday.

For whatever reason, fame, attention, money, his book, Sean, he gay, who knows, but yesterday it was obvious, and yesterday angered Obama. Yesterday means Monday. Get it? Obama didn't divorce Wright two days ago, but today.

If you knew anything about relationships you would know how things turn. But I hear Obama gets the house and kids and Michelle, and that is the White House for ones who think a divorce should of happened 20 years ago. Maybe we should get Bill Clinton;'s opinion of Monica and his relationship with her? Remember Obama just listened to the preacher and what did Clinton do again?

[zulchzulu]

49. You're BITTER because we took your stupid toy away

Awww...poor baby....

[stevietheman]

50. Nope, the Wright thing is over with. What a pity to Hillaryious. n/t

n/t

[Hansel]

51. Judgmental much?

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

54. The wrong ways about Wright are outright outrageous !

Isn,t the rightly so?


Here,s the new bumper stickers!

Obama doesn,t get it
Hillary does
Get it right Hillary for president!

[anonymous171]

59. Rev. Wright is a media lolcow, he had to be put down. Sorry to hurt HRC only chance at the nom

[Moochy]

60. Dittohead welcoming party

you are wonderful super duper post!

[Warren DeMontague]

61. * *

[ecdab]

62. If only he had attended a Right Wing "white" church like Hillary

none of this would be a problem for him. Apparently that is what many Hillary supporters are looking for in their President.

Lord knows that if a "radical" feminist from the 60's was being crucified in the MSM Hillary supporters would be going out of their minds. The black community understands what is happening here. They are the ones being tossed under the bus - and Hillary is doing the tossing.

If team Obama were making the case that Hillary shouldn't be nominated because of her sex he would have rightly lost all claim to possessing the fundamental principles espoused by the Democratic Party. Hillary supporters should ask themselves how they would feel if Obama had done so. If you answer honestly, you might have some clue as to what the African American community is thinking right now - and you might be able to predict how they will react in November if Hillary is our nominee.

[uponit7771]

64. For 15 years I didn't know Hillary was an asshole, her actions don't represent my defense of her

[fortyfeetunder]

65. Why is Obama/Wright held to a higher standard?

Reverend Wright's oratory is a non-issue, he's not the one running for President.

Too bad we did not apply the same scrutiny 8 years ago.

[Texas Hill Country]

67. k&r

[zulchzulu]

68. Another Racist Swine For The Monster

You don't like black people. That's the real problem.