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Tue Apr-29-08 06:20 PM
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This whole thing was staged. |
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Reverand Wright went to Obama and said, "Throw me under the bus man!"
Staged to allow Obama to make these strong statements and once and for all kill the Wright story. Not sure if it will work, but that was the plan. :)
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:21 PM
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And your evidence for this is.....?
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:22 PM
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2. How much evidence does one need to post theories |
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on the internet? Not much according to my observations. I think I meet the DU standard, lol.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:25 PM
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:25 PM
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12. I don't think so. Obama had no comment all day. Then shrugged it off in the evening. |
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Then made a joke about it at a rally last night.
I think it was only after the campaign realized how damaging Wright's remarks were (perhaps some calls from SD's?) that they decided Obama had to be "outraged". They were too slow on the uptake for it to have been staged.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:28 PM
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17. He wasn't slow. He let the reaction max out and then addressed it. |
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Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 06:37 PM by sfexpat2000
If he'd gone in too early, that could have been a mistake because the press corpse wasn't finished yet.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:49 PM
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36. WRONG. BHO should have denounced Wright immediately. Actually. LONG before now. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:50 PM
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37. He couldn't have done that over video clips several years old. n/t |
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:01 PM
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47. Well, he denounced Wrights radical views some time ago... |
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unfortunate that he's been forced to do it again for those slow on the uptake, but on the bright side, one of the first issues he plans to address is an education system that is severely lacking.:patriot:
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:18 PM
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55. And he sat in that church for 20 years reaping the political benefits of being a member of |
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southside Chicago's largest church.
Sheesh.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:46 PM
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60. You mean the bastard NETWORKED at church? |
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Pure evil, I tell you. :sarcasm:
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:44 PM
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76. Yes he was networking at church. No sarcasm. |
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But I hear a lot of people use church for networking purposes. Gotta hand it to him/them.
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:46 AM
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79. Makes sense when you think about it. |
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You go to church to worship (presumably). And when you're done, there you are, hanging out with a bunch of like-minded folk. To me, it would be strange for a politician *not* to network at church. What better way to advance your agenda than to build on the relationships you make at church?
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:23 PM
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3. That's actually what I think too |
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No I've got no proof for what I say. But that's what I think.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:23 PM
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4. That makes sense to me. |
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Wright seems quite aware of how much Politics is a game.
And that you have to play the game a cerain way.
If only the media had picked on Mccain and his acceptance of Hagee's endorsement - that would make me happy.
And it would be a much more fair tactic - Hagee talks about hating people and about the righteousness of divisiveness more than anyone alive.
Rather than picking on Wright for his one and only 45 second sound byte of "God Damn America"
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:24 PM
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5. does it matter , was it fair for the media to play those clips |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:24 PM
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6. I believe you are correct. |
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Obama and Wright played the media like a Stratocaster.
Think of all the birds they killed with that one stone.
1. It seperates Obama from the Angry Black dude. 2. It leaves Wright free to say anything he wants without his being tied to O. 3. It completely wrecks the GOP's plan to run that Wright ad day in and day out until November. 4. It takes the issue away from the Rightard Media - Hannity may as well go on vacation for a while. 5. It takes away a major Clinton pitch point to the superdelegates.
I don't have any proof, either. But I have a feeling we saw one of the great political head-fakes of all time today.
- as
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:55 PM
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39. I believe that I've been plagiarized, LOL |
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I came up with the same theory earlier today:Wright was a media concoction: when Obama couldn't be self-sabotaged into the role of the angry black man a la Revs. Sharpton and Jackson, they outsourced the job and found a "surrogate" in Rev. Wright. Obama survived the "scandal" because most people saw its inherent unfairness and admired his retaliating by pointing out what the real problem was. Now for the next phase: putting Wright to bed for good. He suddenly does a national press mini-blitz, gives something from which Obama can REALLY distance himself, and once again Obama "does the right thing" by denouncing him. Game over--and probably a team effort!:headbang: rocknation
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:09 PM
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66. Sorry for stealing your thunder |
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but I swear it was arrived at independently. ;)
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:49 PM
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77. Great minds run on the same track. |
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Or something like that. But I bet that was closer than bush' fool me once quote.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:16 PM
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54. A Strat? More like a '52 Les Paul Gold Top! n/t |
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:06 PM
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65. I want to believe this, myself... |
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I'm on the fence though... I just don't know what to think about this yet. I think if the Rev. Wright says anything else meant to embarrass Obama, I'd say it's a safe bet it was real. However, if we don't hear from Wright again, I'd be very inclined to go with what you said. For now, I'm just happy he's working to neuter the idiotic MSM, however it was done. :)
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:24 PM
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7. Put away the hat, dude..... |
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10. Assuming that your theory is correct, what do you think about that? |
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Seems to me that it was risky at best, but maybe it would work down the road.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:54 PM
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63. Shows me O is just another politician, even though he said he wasn't |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:25 PM
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11. I'm so glad you feel that way! This means Obama's press conference worked!! |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:26 PM
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13. I've been thinking this |
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But who can know? Wright apparently said at one point that Obama would have to distance himself from him. And then the uproar at the right time, and allegedly the pro bono work of an Obama affiliated PR firm.
If they did, it's a brilliantly Machiavellian move--one even Big Dog himself would admire.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:28 PM
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15. You got it, and we will probably never know if it was a setup or not.... |
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Very cunning indeed and one more reason I want him for my President.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:38 PM
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it makes me even more committed to him and more sure that I'm backing the best candidate. If true what a gutsy move!
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:34 PM
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22. This really does get more Falstaffian all the time. |
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I didn't realize he'd said that.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:26 PM
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14. Except, Obama was visibly hurt and emotional today |
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If there was a staging, it has all been done by Wright. People are saying they don't recognize the Wright that's been circling the airwaves these past few days.
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:53 PM
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78. But he didn't show any anger. It was a staged media attention grab! |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:28 PM
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The same thought occured to me while I was watching |
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Obama on CNN throw him under the bus. Just back on March 16th Obama said he could never do such a thing to Rev. Wright, so much for loyalty? or was it all staged?
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:29 PM
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18. I dont think so. But if he did, that's cool.. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:31 PM
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19. Like I said, we will probably never know and it was extremely cunning....n/t |
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Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 06:31 PM by LakeSamish706
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:32 PM
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20. What say you about Axelrod's skills? |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:33 PM
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21. thats been clear for some time. nt |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:34 PM
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23. I don't think so. I know a lot of pastors, and they have a tendency |
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to believe that they are the center of attention most of the time, whether at the pulpit or not. I don't believe that Obama is that calculating....and I don't believe that Wright is that much of a martyr. Here's my bonafides: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5730040&mesg_id=5730040
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:36 PM
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Feels like Obama owes him something hence the tirade.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:47 PM
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35. The only "tirade" was against the media, not against Obama. n/t |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:53 PM
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38. I don't have the exact quote |
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Obama is pandering. Obama is just being a politian. I serve God Obama serves something else. Obama was part of the entire tirade.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:00 PM
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46. No, he wasn't, actually. Wright kept going off on the "working press", |
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Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 07:01 PM by sfexpat2000
remember? The Obama part only came up in response to a question after his presentation. Wright didn't bring him up.
He did call Obama a politician. And he did say that Obama had to be concerned with electablity, and, iirc, he said that Obama said what he had to say to be elected. But, he didn't say it in a vindictive way at all. He didn't say it in an angry or excited way. He probably shouldn't have said it. But it was more of a description of their two separate worlds than anything else.
Wright should have just stuck with talking about the himself, the church and the media. Then, he would have been cool. It's hard not to get sucked in by these bastards.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:36 PM
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58. Apparently, he did. They're both grown ups. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:38 PM
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26. Some People Say Hilary's NH Crying Was Staged |
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Some People will say anything.
;)
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:39 PM
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27. I think you're right. I don't think it was planned all that long ago, if it was indeed a plan. |
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I just think that Team Obama is great on the fly and can adapt very quickly to events. I don't think he really wanted to disown Wright until it became clear that he had to because the MSM would not let go in the GE. So Wright & Team Obama (through a back channel) concoct this plan whereby Wright goes on the offensive and Obama has to respond forcefully. It will be interesting to see if Wright comes back at Obama, and if so, how hard. This next week will be interesting, that's for sure.
The thing I can't get my head around is (1) Wright supposedly told Obama last year that the MSM would use his sermons against Obama and that Obama should distance himself. (2) Obama declines and decides to fight the good fight and will not disown Wright even though he's under immense pressure by the media. Now, at this point, why would Wright go after Obama? Why? Because Obama said that he didn't agree with some of Wrights sermons? I don't believe it. So that leads me to believe that they together decided to get rid of this once and for all. We probably will never know.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:41 PM
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28. ill say what I said in the other thread, a point that I think is getting overlooked |
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Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 07:29 PM by frickaline
If this was planned it wasn't planned very well, why did Obama say he couldn't disown Wright previously if the plan was to disown all along? That part doesn't fly for me.
"I can no more disown him than I can the black community" after the first offense and then after the next round he completely disowns Rev Wright.
How does this part fit into your plan? It seems to me that the RW is going to use this to attack Obama's credibility going forward, unfortunately, along with claims that he's disingenuous about the whole thing and secretly still praying with Wright.
I'll take Obama's word first and set conspiracy theories aside, tyvm.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:43 PM
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29. Oh no......Please tell me that's sarcasm |
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Even though we usually disagree, I've always respected your opinion and level-headedness.
Please tell me that was a joke.
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its no worse than your third dimension post.
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:31 PM
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69. I've moved onto the fourth dimension |
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I'm looking for a candidate who is the Master of Time and Space
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android will some day be so constructed. lol.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:44 PM
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30. And what position do you hold in the Obama campaign that would |
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make you privy to this?
Huh?
Well?
Yeah, thought so.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:45 PM
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31. Who cares, it needed to end and it ended. Now we can concentrate on taking down McPain. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:46 PM
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33. This had also occurred to me |
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as a crazy "what if," but I'm 99.99999999872% sure this is not the case.
:rofl:
We'll know for sure when we see what happens if and when Wright gets back on the air to respond.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:47 PM
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34. If you got faults, defects or shortcomings, |
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You know, like arthritis, rheumatism or migraines, Whatever part of your body it is, I want you to lay it on your radio, let the vibes flow through. Funk not only moves, it can re-move, dig?
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:56 PM
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40. I take back the posts that I made on this thread, after thinking about it... |
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and watching Barack's face during his Presser, I think he was seriously hurt having to do what he did to Rev. Wright. Beneath the surface, one could almost sense tears for having this daunting task to handle. He loved this man like the father he never had the chance to grow up with and it hurt plenty to do this.
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:56 PM
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41. This stunt won't work |
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Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 06:58 PM by doc03
Rev. Wright will be an issue in the GE. After all of Obama's explanations about Rev. Wright he never heard him talk like that, he doesn't agree with everything Rev. Wright says. Last year he knew Wright was a problem and tried to hide him and yet had him working on his campaign. On March 16th he said he would never disown Rev. Wright he was his friend, mentor, and like a favorite Uncle. I think the American people will see this as a stunt and it will not take Rev. wright out of the picture. It just shows Obama is just a politician like the rest and will do or say anything to get elected.
on edit: How long was he in the Senate before he started to run for President 3 weeks?
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Tue Apr-29-08 06:57 PM
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42. But, why is this better than continuing to leave the story behind? |
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There was a media dust up about God Damn America and then people were like OK, the guy's a preacher, (and BTW I've felt that way a few times myself) and then, right before NC, there's Wright again, and worse, giving sound bites like chum for the MSM and all of a sudden, instead of "been there, done that" it's all "OMG, Wright and Obama are fighting."
I don't know the back story between the two, but it's not looking like they came to a consensus about anything. At least on the surface. I'm sure I'm missing a lot.
Yes, I came to support Sen. Clinton after a ridiculously protracted and, at the same time minimized, primary, but I don't want to see Sen. Obama taking "slings and arrows" either. Especially for caring about other people in his life.
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44. I had the same thought n/t |
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45. Hey, welcome to DU, wow, your screen name and avatar are |
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48. The headline of your OP is an admission that this worked for Obama.... |
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:08 PM
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49. He told you that? Were you in on that conversation? No? AHHHH okay. LOL Another funny |
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:11 PM
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51. Tip o' the hat to Hillary for arranging the invite to Wright for his appearance. |
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I guess they're just one big happy colluding family.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:47 PM
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61. This is funny to me. DU is mad @ Wright for saying that |
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Obama was a politician who said what he has to say to get elected.
DU is also happy that Obama says what he has to say to get elected.
I love DU.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:13 PM
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52. The theory makes sense.... |
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Why let a wound fester when you can take a branding iron to it.
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:16 PM
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53. Sure - and there is evidence on the record. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:20 PM
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56. And your evidence is what??? Insanity is rampant. nm |
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:21 PM
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57. seems pretty obvious, really |
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Tue Apr-29-08 07:42 PM
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59. Could be. Better than letting Hillary/McCain continue pushing the "working class" race-buttons. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:20 PM
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67. Nah...Wright had faded as an issue and Obama wasn't feeling desperate |
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Unless you think Barack got on the horn and said, "my numbers with white voters are tanking so I need a Sister Souljah moment. Come on up here and be outrageous. Then I'll tell the world we're not friends anymore and all will be well."
"OK, Barack," replied the always eager-to-please Reverend...
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:24 PM
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68. What strong statements? |
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when is Wright's rebuttal?
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70. Nay, way to unpredictable and risky. I strongly disagree with your suggestions. n/t |
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:33 PM
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71. And you know this to be fact or just your sick imagination? n/t |
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I'm sure we have our size tinfoil hats in stock now - so there's no need to wait to order.
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74. I just posted that elsewhere. I agree. Good vaudeville all the way. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 08:39 PM
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75. Good for you Jim. I'd been thinking the same thing. |
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Gave him a lot more air time on TV. No way this will hurt him. Most people have been really duped! Did you notice the anger in his (monotone) voice when he threw him under the bus?
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