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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:35 PM
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Hillary's First "Contrast" Ad In Indiana Attacks Obama On Gas Tax Holiday
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:36 PM
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1. Good, she is clearly wrong on this issue.. I hope he hands her ass back to her on a newly paved road
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:38 PM
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4. Agreed. It goes against simple laws of economics.
I hope she gets taken to school for it.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:40 PM
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6. Yep, the price will adjust to the demand, taxed or not
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 07:40 PM by Johnny__Motown
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:44 PM
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8. Yes that would be the logical conclusion, wouldn't it?
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:28 PM
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25. and put 300,000 construction workers out of work while giving that money to Oil Companies
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:37 PM
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2. When McCain suggested this, didn't someone do the math.. actually
go to two weeks ago TOP 10 and read about $28.00 worth of savings create 9 billion worth of problems...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:38 PM
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3. The Gas Tax
Is one of those few things like Social Security that directly pays for something. With bridges crumbling accross the country I hardly think we can afford to cut our infrastructure repairs.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:46 PM
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11. I suppose the plan is to just print more money or else sell the
highways and bridges to Dubai so they can make toll roads...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:52 PM
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13. Well she is in Indiana
They did sell their toll roads to the Germans...seriously...they did.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:08 PM
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18. The same is true in Texas - Big backlash here
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:38 PM
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5. Gas tax holiday is, without question the lamest pander. Ever.
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 07:39 PM by SoonerPride
It is economically unsound, stupid, and a sophomoric attempt to appease voters, which will make no real difference in the price people pay at the pump.

Any economist will tell you that it is stupid.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:47 PM
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12. Standing on the back of the campaign train, throwing money...
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:07 PM
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17. Yep, that's what it is.
Except it really is even less generous than that.

Price dips, demand rises, price rises back to pre-tax cut level and people pay tyhe same and the government loses out on revenue stream.

Plus it is a nightmare for IRS and every single station that collects taxes to try and turn off anf back on a revenue stream.

It is sheer idiocy.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:40 PM
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7. Cool, we can look forward to more collapsing bridges
Besides that, what will happen?

The 23 cents per gallon tax goes away. YAY!

Within two weeks, the oil companies raise the price of gas 46 cents per gallon and increase their profits dramtically.

End result, thousands killed on collapsing bridge and overpasses, while it costs them more money.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:46 PM
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10. I'm Hillary Clinton, and I approved this message:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:44 PM
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9. What a lame commercial
I hope Obama hits back with one pointing out he was demanding action from the government on the housing crisis 6 months before it headlines. As for the oil thing...she's full of it.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_calls_for_windfall_tax_on_oil_04252008.html
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama called for a windfall tax on oil company profits Friday, as pump prices in the United States hit a new record high.

"For the well-off in this country, high gas prices are mostly an annoyance. But to most Americans, they're a huge problem, bordering on a crisis," he told reporters at a gas station in Indiana, where he is campaigning.
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Obama proposes oil companies be taxed on windfall profits from oil sold at or above 80 dollars a barrel, and the revenue be used to help relieve the burden of rising prices on working people, according to his campaign.

He also wants more transparency in the way pump prices are fixed, a tax cut for the middle classes that would benefit families by up to 1,000 dollars a year, and a 150-billion-dollar investment over 10 years in clean energy.

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain has proposed cutting federal taxes on pump gas this summer to counter rising prices, but Obama rejected this idea, saying such taxes brought in needed funds for road maintenance.

"I don't want somebody to save essentially 25 bucks -- that's what the savings would yield for the average driver -- and now they're potentially driving over an unsafe bridge," he said.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 07:56 PM
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14. Apart from it being too miniscule to be any real sort of relief
cheapening gas will encourage more use, taking us that much closer to the refineries' full capacity, and the price will rise accordingly. So, prices will be right where they'd be if the tax was included, but the 20 or so cents will go to the oil companies and the infrastructure fund will be needlessly impoverished.

We need to get used to using less, since it's going to happen whether we like it or not.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:03 PM
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15. Funny how McCain, for example, wants to suspend the tax for the
"summer driving season" - as if we REALLY need to have cheap gas for our vacations. Reducing consumption sounds like the ticket to me as well.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:06 PM
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16. Windfall profits taxes have a zero chance in hell of passing
She is nuts.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:09 PM
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19. There needs to be a luxury tax on giant gas guzzling vehicles.
Instead of tax BREAKS for hummers and giant 10 ton behemoths, we need to penalize anyone who wants to own one.

Bad for the envrionment and more wear and tear on the road due to increased tonnage.

Make them pay for their penis compensation.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:13 PM
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21. Good luck selling that to to the bitter church going gun owners - whoops
please forgive that. I usually think of SUV owners as republicans but I think there are a lot of blue collar SUVs and trucks as well. They might be wising up a little but they say we pick our cars as a reflection of our being, and they may have to have their cold dead fingers pried off of the wheels.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:15 PM
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22. Well, no one said it would be popular.
But we can either do what is right and smart or continue to do what is stupid.

Tax breaks for extra-heavy SUVs is assinine.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:19 PM
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24. I'm with you 100%, and like you say, it is going to hit us weather we like it or not,
Better to plan to react
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:10 PM
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20. I hope Obama gets out a good "pander" ad to use against her and McCain
the independents will love it.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 08:16 PM
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23. Or he could have two Nobel winning economists read her idea and laugh until they fall over.
Fade to black.

The end.
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candelovsky Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 09:09 PM
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26. I'm with Obama in this one
artificial tax cuts that benefit only big oil do nothing to relieve poor people's and the middle class' situations.
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