A Tale of Two Malcontents - Why Dean is in the right place

[Scott Lee]

It's an old axiom that states if you piss off both ends of the conversation, you are likely in the right place.

So, when I ran across this tome from conservative lunatic Jimmy Moore.....


Conservative Leader Calls Dean Too 'Mentally Unstable' to Be President
By Jimmy Moore
Talon News
January 1, 2004

The leader of a conservative political group says he thinks Democrat presidential front-runner Howard Dean is too "mentally unstable" to become president and that it is "sad" Republicans want him to be the Democrat nominee.

Religious Freedom Coalition Chairman William J. Murray sent an e-mail to supporters on Wednesday voicing his reservations about the former Vermont governor becoming the Democrat nominee for president that he says are echoed behind closed doors across the country.

"It says something about our nation that a great political party consisting of millions of Americans could possibly pick someone as mentally unstable as Howard Dean to lead their party and carry their banner into a national election," Murray wrote in the e-mail. "I have just made a comment about Dean that has not been printed anywhere, but has been said privately in newsrooms and boardrooms across the nation."

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/0104/010204-dean.htm

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It didn't take long for me to remember this little tidbit from the "liberal Democrat", also known as the Ragin' Cajun, James Carville....


Thursday Jan. 1, 2004; 6:40 p.m. EST
Carville: Dean Suffering From 'Political Lobotomy'

Top Clinton advisor James Carville is blasting Democratic presidential front-runner Howard Dean for making a series of devastating gaffes in recent weeks, saying the ex-Vermont governor sounds like he's suffering from a "political lobotomy."

"I'm scared to death that this guy just says anything," Carville said Monday while cohosting CNN's "Crossfire." "It feels like he's undergone some kind of a political lobotomy here."

Carville's comment suggesting that Dean sounds crazy is the harshest assessment yet by any Democrat - and is especially damaging coming from a charter member of the Clintons' inner circle.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/1/191659.shtml

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Either these guys have secret lunches together, or there is a synchronous desperation on the part of Dean opponents across party lines.

The answer is blowing in the wind. And the wind says that comfortable elitist powermongers are very agitated at Dean's growing popularity.

Quod errat demonstrandum.

[slinkerwink]

1. it's all a clinton redux from 1992

when the same party establishment was worried about Clinton being the nominee.

[Scott Lee]

2. Should I just be amazed that some in the DLC still dont learn?

Or should I just accept that there are forces in the DLC that will rend their own flesh rather than upset the elitist apple cart to benefit the Democratic Party?

It's a coin toss here.

[slinkerwink]

17. nope, some people are still dumb and forget the lessons of history

[dansolo]

12. You don't even need to go back that far

This is the same party establishment that didn't want Gore running in 2004.

[Armstead]

3. Carville attacing someone for sounding irrational and crazy?

Talk about pots calling kettles black.

[TeacherCreature]

4. Scott is my hero

You are today's post warrior hero.
I agree that the power mongers are getting scared. Carville will never redeem himself in my eyes.

[Scott Lee]

5. And to think I used to hold Carville up as primo...

Oh well, how the mighty have fallen. But at least it reveals the nature of the beast. That's a good thing.

[TeacherCreature]

13. We used to have a saying "finding my inner Carville"

I wonder if he knows what he is doing. I think he is a passionate man, but he needs to take Gore's advice and watch what he says about democrats in public.

[Scott Lee]

14. Oh Gods....shades of Stewart Smalley!

"I'm good enough.....I'm smart enough....and gosh darn it...."

[calimary]

16. He's been too "embedded" with the enemy.

The Matalin Effect may finally have gotten to him. God knows what he sees in her...

[wtmusic]

6. It's going to be immensely entertaining

to watch all these clowns do a 180 when (if) Dean gets nominated.

Getcher popcorn! :silly:

[Cha]

7. carville should know...isn't he the

one who froths at the mouth when talking about some of bush's actions?

[Scott Lee]

10. That be the one. But Carville has shown his statist colors

And they aint too pretty. When I hear Carville speak recently, he reminds me of why the Old Guard needs to go sleepy-night-night. They are now "duncils" (is that how you spell it?), or no longer useful parts.

In college I had an English prof who went ballistic one day. The guy was a master sargeant in WWII. Well he announced a pop quiz, and somebody in the class groaned. He popped a gasket in his head. Started fuming and shrieking about how "if you don't like it, you can go back to your babycrib"....that he was "a "god damn $%^&*(# stinking master sargeant in the WAR, not some pussy-ass police action in Vietnam!" And he just went on and on, eyes bugged out, ranting about fighting the Germans, totally off topic for the class. We slowly and discreetly left the room one by one.

This guy obviously felt vital and needed at one time - but now was out of place and out of time, on the trigger of bitter explosions now that he sees a world not going his way.

Carville reminds me of this, with his unbelievable fits about "snot noses" in the Dean camp, how Dean has a "political lobotomy" etc. He represents a statist infrastructure in the Democratic Party that is absolutely mortified that they are not needed (and not helpful) in opposing the fascists who want to rule America.

[KoKo]

24. Interesting comment, Scott. I hadn't thought of it that way. Carville

feeling "left out" not in "command" and now having to co-host that vile "shouting match" on CNN. Also, didn't his wife leave the Bush team?

Being that close to the center of power and then being "out of it" would make for ALOT of crankiness.

[wtmusic]

8. hey where's sfecap

some serious Dean support on DU today!!

[Scott Lee]

11. He must be out lettering for Governor Dean ;)

Where I should be, quite frankly.....

[Demobrat]

9. Dean is going to come out of all this

the strongest president we've ever had. One more year till we throw the squatter out of the people's house!

[JNelson6563]

15. yes, they all grow more desperate

I noticed all over my editorial pages today, the national blurbs/columns they printed, all predicting doom and gloom for Howard Dean. I laughed and thought of this post.

Looks like he's going to lose as badly as Clinton! ;-)

Julie

[Zomby Woof]

18. Love that ragin' cajun!

"I'm scared to death that this guy just says anything," Carville said Monday while cohosting CNN's "Crossfire." "It feels like he's undergone some kind of a political lobotomy here."

The truth isn't pretty, but Carville makes it fun. ;-)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. I don't know why you think it's so great that Dean is being called

"unstable." Do you realize that this is the sort of thing that will lead to us losing in the general elections. Do you even care? I don't find this amusing... And Dean - on the other hand should be trying to act Presidential instead of like acting like a fool. Do you honestly think that he can get the votes of "middle America?"

We're throwing the election away to Bush. I can't believe that a group of Democrats can be cavalier about this. It really sickens me.

In addition, we are witnessing the "death" of the Democratic Party. I hope you all get a chuckle out of it and enjoy...

[floridaguy]

20. Incredible spin on two damaging assessments of Dean

Dean supporters now claim that everyone, notwithstanding the Dean stalwarts, is against Dean. Somehow, the most disliked and distrusted neoncons have gotten together with the most disliked and distrusted liberal watchdogs in this incredible conspiracy to discredit Howard Dean. Somewhere in the midst of the two, the DLC has decided to sabotage the Democratic party.

This is a conspiracy with scary potential. Perhaps out in some cornfield in Iowa Kucinich supporters are meeting with Karl Rove right now?

PLeeeeeeeeeeeeeease . . .

Jim Carville said the same thing millions of people have said since Dr. Dean has made numeroous Dubyuhesque comments. Even the most staunch Dean supporters are cringing. The fact that a conservative has cited Dean's questionable temperament is a little mindboggling. I was pretty much convinced all conservatives were salivating, when it originally looked like Dean was much stronger than he now is. Perhaps one of them is suffering a crise de conscience, and is actually concerned that we could end up with a second President lacking the good judgment. Certainly, this wouldn't be the first person to make this claim recently.

Howard Dean lacks the mental control required by the leader of the free world. Our country and the world can't afford this, and Democrats can't afford putting their second best candidate up against an incumbent President.

Wesley Clark can and will win the Presidency.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

22. I have never seen such a high degree of "cognitive dissonance" in

my life (and this is a psych/sociology major talking).


"People abhor inconsistency; they just don't like conflicting beliefs in their lives," Cooper explained. When two things we believe are in conflict, we iron out the wrinkles of dissonance.

-snip-

So if you believe in (a candidate)-- but don't approve of (many of their policies), then (1) you can turn against (them). Or (2) you can decide that (the candidate) is right and that (their polices are right). Or (3) you can take the easy path and simply deny (everything).

"If you extend the logic, there's a prediction you can make down the line: The more unpopular his policies, the higher his poll numbers are going to get," Cooper continued.

Why? Because we are human, alas.

As long as we support someone, we must incrementally increase our approval in the face of criticism.

[Cheswick2.0]

21. uh-yup

Is that why Dean does better against Bush than the other candidates? Is it so hard to believe that Americans will care about the truth if you have the guts to tell it to them?
Let go of the fear.

[JPJones]

23. Or else they are both right

and you are in the last stages of denial.

"If you know much about the Bible -- which I do --...

Asked his favorite New Testament book, Dr. Dean named Job, adding: "But I don't like the way it ends." "Some would argue, you know, in some of the books of the New Testament, the ending of the Book of Job is different," he said. "I think, if I'm not mistaken, there's one book where there's a more optimistic ending, which we believe was tacked on later."