HIllary Clinton is going to have to talk to african americans!

[ej510]

She is in in trouble if she gets the nomination. Her popularity with the black community is closing in on Bush territory. She needs to get to work and now! If she doesn't and she ends up with the nomination I am telling you....to say hello John McCain. There aren't too many blacks that will vote for McCain but they will vote for Nader or stay home.

[CakeGrrl]

1. Um...typo in that first sentence? -nt

[WeDidIt]

2. Unfortunate typo, too

:blush:

[ej510]

8. Thanx. She has to say something. She cannot continue to

ignore them. She is despised right now across the country. I would recommend for her to do town halls in african american cities in NC.

[papau]

34. Obama should withdraw since Clinton leads amoung Dems (Gallup), beats McCain by 9 vs Obama only by2

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPb7Gs_irWJk&refer=home


Clinton Leads McCain by 9 Points Nationwide, AP Poll Shows

By Julianna Goldman

April 28 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton does better than Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama when matched against Republican John McCain, according to the latest Associated Press- Ipsos poll.

Clinton leads McCain 50 percent to 41 percent while Obama is ahead 46 percent to 44 percent, within the margin of error, according to the poll taken after Clinton's Pennsylvania primary victory.




http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/19/921546.aspx

From NBC’s Domenico Montanaro
Hillary Clinton has regained the national lead, 46%-45%, over Obama, according to the Gallup Tracking poll. Clinton had been down by 11 points less than a week ago. This is the first time Clinton has led in the poll since March 20.

The general-election match up has seen no change. Clinton leads McCain 46%-44%, and Obama leads McCain 45%-44%.

[TheDebbieDee]

40. "She is despised right now across the country."

You are SO full of shit!

While Sen. Hillary Clinton is not ignoring African-Americans, she continues to make her case to ALL Americans.

[jasmine621]

88. Why? They turned their backs on her, she didn't turn her back on them. nt

[ej510]

95. That's not how they see it! They feel like Hillary has been dirty.

They also feel like Hillary has been using race to smear Obama and divide the election down racial lines because she felt like she had to do whatever it took to stay in this race.

[TheDebbieDee]

99. And where'd you get that info from? What poll? What article?

Which survey? Do you have a link for that info or are you just repeating divisive right-wing crap on this progressive board?

[ej510]

110. Try listening to national black radio shows.

[gcomeau]

3. Not really...

...seeing as her getting the nomination is only slightly more likely than me spontaneously combusting on my way to my car as I leave work today.

But if we were in the hypothetical reality where she was somehow heading for the nomination, then yes, she'd be screwed. Her conduct during this campaign hasn't exactly been endearing her to people, to put it mildly.

[maddiejoan]

4. paging Dr. Freud. paging Dr, Freud

you're wanted on the white courtesy phone.

[Johnny__Motown]

5. She won't get the nomination...

[lligrd]

6. And Activists And Dems From The "Little States"

She can skip her talk with me because I will never believe another word she says.

[goclark]

89. She need not bother because her dirty deeds have already

spoken.

She has been communicating clearly.

Her spouse and co-candidate has communicated to African Americans as well.

WE get THEIR message.

They do not have to call us at 3 AM.

I can't speak for all of my Brothers and Sisters but I will not pick up my phone.

[Pisces]

7. It doesn't matter what she does or says, she is dead to the AA community.

[TheDebbieDee]

18. Says who? She's not dead to the AA community!

Do you have a link for that is it just a knee-jerk hunch for you?

I don't think MOST African-Americans will have any problem voting for Hillary in November as opposed to John McCain.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

21. Wasn't it her surrogates who said Obama only won states becaues of A-A vote?

or are you saying otherwise?

[TheDebbieDee]

36. What would that have to do with the poster's

assertion that Hillary is persona non-gratis to the AA community?

I promise you, the majority of the AA community will rally behind Hillary if she is the nominee. The Clintons are still very popular with AA community - it's just that Sen. Obama is just a bit more popular right now!

All African-Americans are not buying into "The Clintons are racists!" meme that the MSM has been repeating since the SC Primary.

Believe it or not, some African-Americans have actually been listening to what has been said, not just the sound bites played on the news shows and while most of us support Sen. Obama, we won't have any issues with pulling the lever for Sen. Clinton in November if she's the candidate.

Anybody who tells you that the Clintons are finished with the AA community is talking out of their ass!

[BlueIdaho]

46. You really have not been paying very close attention have you?

[TheDebbieDee]

60. I have been paying close enough attention to what

has actually been said instead of just listening to the out-of-context Clinton sound bites that were played over and over again.

Also, I resent that ANYONE states unequivocally that AAs will abandon the Democratic party if Sen. Clinton is the nominee without the aid of a poll, study or article. What kind of racist stuff are you spewing?

[BlueIdaho]

73. Nice try but I'm not buying.

Hill and Bill have been working overtime to marginalize Obama and that blade cuts both ways.

Racist? Try again.

[Catherina]

103. Racist stuff? Kiss my Black ass. We's done lacing your corset Mz Scalett n/t

[Doityourself]

118. LMAO..What about brushing her hair?

[qanda]

47. I can almost guarantee you that the AA community will NOT rally behind Clinton

They will sit this election out and leave the Democratic party in droves. Ask me how I know.

[TheDebbieDee]

54. You can guarantee all you want - AAs are not going to

abandon the Democratic Party in droves. What kind of unqualified, un-American crap are you trying to sell about AAs?

Do you have crystal ball? Are you psychic? Or do you just need a laxative?

[Catherina]

104. Take your laxative and stick it where it comes out

Then take a deep breath, grab your permanent ink marker and write this one down

YOU FUCKED UP. WE ARE DONE WITH WHITE ETHNOCENTRIC POLITICS. YOU'RE DANCING WITH THE DEVIL TO FUCK PEOPLE OVER AND YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN WHEN THE DEVIL PRESENTS HER BILL.

[Beacool]

111. You sound like Rev. Wright.

Scary.............

:scared:

[JTFrog]

121. Take your scary black man theme and shove it up there with that laxative.

I'm sure you know what you sound like.

[Catherina]

105. Both Clintons are deader than a doorknob to me and every Black person I know

HRC can keep the token Black she dredged up for "Operation Outreach African Americans". Whites first people have no idea how slow to anger we are but but cross the lines and it's fucking over. It's over. We've been fucked over too many times and this was the last straw.

[Pisces]

37. You would be wrong. The AA community will sit this one out. and I will be with them.

[IsItJustMe]

96. You and I both my friend. You and I both.

[TheDebbieDee]

100. You won't sit this election out - you'll vote for McCain, as you've planned to all along!

[Doityourself]

119. I'm AA & I won't vote for McCain..but I won't pull the lever for Clinton if they steal this nom n/t

[ej510]

57. At this point most won't vote for either.

[rodeodance]

78. agree. she is not dead to them. At the moment they want Obama -for the most part. oh

some will never come over again. but the AA community has always gone Dem.

[Catherina]

106. Bet your mortgage on it please. We're sick of 21st century racists

and your condescension.

Please bet your mortgage on your stupid bet. We're outta here Mz Scalett. Lace up yo own damn corset and pull up yo own damn carrots.

[Doityourself]

120. And that's the problem ....just assume black folk will fall in line no matter how you treat them..

Blue collar, working class black voters are automatically Clinton's, yet if Obama is the nominee, the black man must work hard and convince the blue collar, working class white voters to vote for him.

Black folk will fall in line.
White folk get to pick and choose.

After while, people get tired of being taken for granted.

Perhaps here is where a stand should be taken.
Hopefully the time has arrived when the African American community will send a message to democratic party, and say don't take our vote for granted.

[IsItJustMe]

97. Mark my words. Large numbers will stay at home. They don't like how the msm, Republicans, and

Hillary has piled on Obama. Wait and see.

[Catherina]

101. She's deader than a doorknob. Don't place any money on the AA vote n/t

[Catherina]

102. She's deader than a doorknob. Don't place any money on the AA vote n/t

[leftofcool]

24. Link Please?

[TheDebbieDee]

127. There won't be a link - they're pulling these "facts" out of their asses!

[SoonerPride]

9. Muich ado about nothing. Obama is our nominee.

Period.

[Catherina]

107. Let's hope so because ignorant knee-cappers have no idea

what they're dealing with here.

[my3boyz]

10. Too late to talk to us! Let her talk to all the rural people . nt

[StevieM]

94. Hillary can talk to all people. She is a uniter who loves all Americans (eom)

Steve

[Swamp Rat]

11. The damage is already done.

[sandnsea]

12. I'm white and I hate her, what about us

white people who think she's a snake. She has a whole lot of fence mending to do, and not just with African Americans. I think it's racist to think that only African Americans have been offended by her shit.

[nsd]

13. If this campaign has demonstrated anything, planning ahead is not Clinton's forte.

She had no plan for what to do after Super Tuesday if she failed to secure the nomination then, and she has no plan for how to win the general election if she becomes the nominee by destroying Barack Obama. It's really astonishing. If (somehow) her Rovian tactics work, what really does she think African Americans are going to do? For that matter, what does she think young people and liberals are going to do?

[book_worm]

14. people look at Obama who is winning 35-45% of the white vote or more in many other states

and say 'he isn't winning the white vote', but the AA constituency is our most loyal and Hillary has fallen off over the course of the primaries to where she is lucky to get 10% of the black vote. It's a real problem for her.

[Yossariant]

15. At DU, the racebaiting just goes on and on and on and on ...

:puke:

[TheDebbieDee]

22. You're right. It's just hard to tell if the baiting is being done

by REAL Obama supporters or poser/freepers like the OP appears to be.

That should be African-American, not african-american, you schmuck!

[suston96]

16. Hillary is always talking to blacks but they ain't listening. And....

...They will not stay home. They loved her before Obama and they will love her again if Obama is gone.

[Doityourself]

23. Not. Believe me.

[leftofcool]

25. Exactly right.

The 8 women I have coffee with every morning are all Black and they all support Hillary. So do their husbands

[Doityourself]

30. I travel in black circles larger than 8..and I'm telling you she's damaged goods in the AA community

[TheDebbieDee]

49. She's the bees knees in my AA community.......

I don't know where some people get off ASSUMING that the AA community hates Hillary Clinton. You know what they say about when you assume.

The AAs I know LIKE Sen. Clinton. It's just that some of them like Sen. Obama just a tee-ninchy-bit more!

[Doityourself]

59. That's a small beehive. I didn't say AA hate0 Hillary..but if you think there's no damage done,

you're being naive. If you think the black community will vote for her in droves, if Obama is plowed under and this thing stolen from him, you are living in La La Land and many are upset with her and Bill and her campaign.

I can tell you from my travels and discussion with other black people (not just 8 of them and their hubbies), but in sorority circles, political groups, community center associations and other affiliations; black message boards, black radio, black internet groups..the consensus is..Hillary is damaged goods, Bill's stature in the black community has diminished and they have done great harm to their relationship with African-Americans.

I know many may not like it, but those are the facts from the various "black" places I delve on a regular basis.

You want to shoot the messenger..go ahead...

[TheDebbieDee]

66. Well, then, you would do well to remind the Hill-haters that

you come in contact with that the next President will get to nominate at least 2 Supreme Court Justices.

And a repuke President might nominate people who believe that AAs should be considered only worth 2/5 of White person again.

Or that children born in the US to undocumented Spanish-speaking parents should be striped of the citizenship.

I know that we as AAs can see the big picture!

[Doityourself]

75. Remember not to underestimate emotions in politics. On either side.

[TheDebbieDee]

90. What the hell does that mean?

Are you trying to say that AAs WILL cut off their noses to spite their face? Not buying it!

[Doityourself]

115. It means exac tly what it says. When it comes to politics people too often discount emotion and gut

[ampad]

72. LOL

well the AA I know cannot stand Hillary Clinton. We can go back and forth like this all night it does not change the number of AA she is pulling in which is small. When all is said and done there is damage in the AA community that she will have to mend if she were to magically win this nomination. I'm not worried about it because I don't believe in magic.

[IsItJustMe]

98. It's too late. In your dreams.

[Catherina]

109. That's one of the most ignant statements I've ever read on here

Want to know what every single Black I know those to HRC? We spit on her and her racist supporters who think we're coming back for a "Nice nigger" pat on the head.

[Coexist]

17. maybe she can send Bill??

[EFerrari]

27. LOL! And a dunking booth.

[Coexist]

31. ha!!!

[ccharles000]

19. It will not be a hard thing for her to do.

The Clinton's have had great relations with the aa community in the past.

[Doityourself]

28. If you think Hillary can just saunter into the AA community ...

after Bill's comments, after Sheehan comments, after Johnsons' comments, after Ferraro comments, after her "as far as I know comments," after her trying to tie him to Louis Farrakhan doing the debates. After piling on at the ABC debate...you are kidding yourself..there's great damage.

I'm black, I travel in quite a many of black circles; sorority, community association, message boards and other political groups..and I'm here to tell you she and Bill have hurt themselves MASSIVELY..in the black community. Why do you think Clyburn is speaking out?

[ccharles000]

70. I disagree.

I think if she is the nominee the AA community will vote for her over McCain.

[Doityourself]

80. I never said she won't get some of the AA vote, just don't expect it to be in droves..and if it is

stolen or has any kind of funk on it..all bets are off.

Hey could you answer a question for me, nobody seems to be able to do so thus far.

Why is it that people automatically assume Hillary will get the black blue collar working class vote, and Obama can't get the white working class blue collar voter without heavy courting. Some say he'll never get it, but the same stock of voters which happens to be black is a lock for Hillary. What makes people think Hillary and her surrogates comments have any less impact on voters than Baracks' bitter comments?

Is it because they think blacks have nowhere else to go, and will vote for the Dem. nominee, no matter what? If so, that's fubar and a change certainly needs to come...

Maybe you can offer me an answer..thanks

[ccharles000]

86. I don't know why the media and others assume a group...

of people will vote for Obama or Hillary.

[Doityourself]

87. Including you? Because you pretty much said blacks will vote for her too..or at least that's my

interpretation.

Please correct me, if I misunderstood.

[ccharles000]

112. I mean the most likely will vote for her over john in the ge.

But I don't understand why people are dividing up the party (older women-hillary, youth-Obama)I hope this clears up my point if it does not I will try again.

[Doityourself]

122. Thanks for adding "most likey." Your 1st post was definitive with "they will."

[PBS Poll-435]

20. Thanks for your concern! Please visit our gift shop.

[ej510]

26. It's not race baiting. I've suggested that Hillary sit down

and do a townhall in urban areas she needs to show she cares.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. What else, besides her life's mission, will show you that she *cares*?

[Doityourself]

32. How about she start out apologizing for her comments "as far as I know he's not muslim" how about

apologizing for trying to link Obama to Farrakhan at the ABC debates...that's a start, of course there's more.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. As far as I know, she defended him.

So what is your beef?

[Doityourself]

39. defended..lol yeah spin it. again she's has work to do in AA community..damage has been done..if it

wasn't..Clyburn wouldn't be speaking on it.

[PBS Poll-435]

44. What did she say that offended you and Nancy (Pelosi) Clyburn?

[Doityourself]

48. See my post #28, and it's not just me Pelosi and Clyburn..I'm speaking on conversations I've had

with many others in the black community. People may not like it or believe it, but from travels, I found it real and true.

[PBS Poll-435]

52. Ummm...What was that supposed to do for me?

Obama's NASTY campaign divided many in the Democratic Party and now I am supposed to feel bad for your luncheon?

[Doityourself]

61. Huh? You asked me a question I responded by giving you direction to a post that I thought would

answer a question you asked me..lol

That you didn't like, doesn't negate the fact that you asked for it. Now you shoot the message and the messenger (when you asked for both) and throw lunch in the mix too?

Oy vey.

[spooky3]

38. Why would a DUer fall for that RW misinformation?

"During the March 17 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, national news correspondent Jeanne Moos conducted a "quiz" of people on the street and asserted that Sen. Hillary Clinton "got the answer right when 60 Minutes asked, you don't believe Barack Obama is a Muslim?" But Moos went on to misrepresent Clinton's response by broadcasting only a portion of Clinton's response to correspondent Steve Kroft's questions during the March 2 edition of CBS' 60 Minutes. Moos aired only one comment Clinton made in which she said: "No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know." Moos then showed a video clip in which Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan emphasized the latter portion of Clinton's response: "Oh, as far as I know." In fact, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented as a result of similar distortions by the media, Clinton's first three words in response to Kroft's initial question -- "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?" -- was, "Of course not." Moreover, Clinton made clear that she equated the false rumor that Obama is a Muslim with "ridiculous rumors" that have circulated about her.

From the March 2 edition of CBS' 60 Minutes:

KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?

CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that's -- you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

KROFT: And you said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.

CLINTON: Right. Right.

KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim --

CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? There's no --

KROFT: -- or implying, right?

CLINTON: No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.

KROFT: It's just scurrilous --

CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors. I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time."


http://mediamatters.org/items/200803180003?f=s_search

Read ALL of it.

[Doityourself]

42. Yeah, we know..she was defending just as she wasn't trying to link him to Farrakahn..we know thanks

[spooky3]

51. Read the evidence. Present better evidence, if you have it. If you don't,

don't count on convincing anyone here that you are doing anything other than attacking Democrats.

[Doityourself]

63. Yeah, I'm attacking democrats when Hillary props up McCain over Obama and says she and McCain are up

to the Commander-in-Chief test, yet all Obama did was give a speech.. I think you are pointing your bow and arrow in the wrong direction, the traitor isn't I.

Oh and I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else of anything, I'm simply posting my thoughts, that you don't agree with them..so what..C'est La Vie..

[pecwae]

125. LOL!

[cwood]

33. Obama would almost 100% be her VP

if he'd accept it. That would do a great deal to win credibility back I would think.

[Doityourself]

45. He's winning..lol..he doesn't have to be her VP

[hokies4ever]

74. Obama's ULTIMATE superdelegate argument

is that he will not accept V.P. if he has a substantial pledged delegate lead. Just because he's not making his best superdelegate argument public, don't think that he won't make it in private.

[Jed Dilligan]

41. I don't think she can pull it off

She's not a good enough speaker, or thinker.

[SoCalDem]

43. and the conversation will go something like this..

"Hey y'all y'member, me?? I'm Hilquetha from the Gullah Gullah. 'round by Jacksonville. I used to work at Shoniqua's Salon after school..

[invictus]

50. LOL! n/t

[ej510]

55. lmfao!

[ej510]

53. I believe that townhalls would help.

[Auntie Bush]

56. Or they are going to cut off their nose to spite their face.

They are going to vote against their own interests. Doesn't sound very intelligent to me. No more than the Hillary supporters who won't vote for Obama. Works both ways.

[Doityourself]

64. You'd be surprise at what people will do. Nothing surprises me anymore. Politics for some is a very

emotional deal and many don't think beyond that..they go with what they are feeling at the moment.

[Auntie Bush]

68. Yup! That's why all those poor folks in pick up trucks voted for Bush.

Politics isn't a bowl of cherries.

[Poll_Blind]

58. She's afriad if she gets too close she'll catch teh brown! n/t

PB

[kenny blankenship]

67. That's why she buys all those cartons of Purelle for:

a prophylaxis against the effects of Human contact. Ever see War Of The Worlds? Her kind can't handle exposure to Earth's life forms.

[Poll_Blind]

71. Speaking of...

Just sayin'...

PB

[kevinbgoode]

62. She ain't too hip with the "pansies" either. . .

[izquierdista]

65. Maybe she can have Taggart write her a speech

After all, didn't she channel Maj. Kong to sound tough about obliterating Iran?

[demo dutch]

69. Do you really think African-Americans are going to vote for McCain, polls already indicate

that they will support Clinton if she's the nominee

[hokies4ever]

76. Hillary doesn't respect the black vote

so they'll stay at home or write-in somebody else. Hillary's superdelegate argument of 'big states' is a euphemistic way of saying that the white, working class voter is more important than the black voter. This argument even though the white, working class vote is hardly a bedrock of the Democratic Party, whereas the black vote is. Lack of respect = single digits for the black vote.

Also, want to thank Bill Clinton. I'm a black man in my 20s, and didn't know that Jesse Jackson had won the SC Dem Primary twice in the 80s. That is, until Bill was happy to educate me. Thanks Bill! :eyes:

[Doityourself]

77. Also the question is never asked what Hillary can do to win working class/blue collar black voters.

only the other way around.. ...it should be a question that goes both ways..yet no one ever poses it. It's like its automatic that she will get that vote, but Obama won't get the working class/blue collar white voters, or he must worker hard than she does to get it and for her the that particular black vote is a cake walk.

[hokies4ever]

79. Great point

I agree. I think that most blacks are sick and tired of hearing about how their vote isn't as important as the white, working class vote. The implication seems to always be that all the blacks will readily vote for Hillary if Obama drops out, because they're just voting for Obama because of his race.

[Doityourself]

81. Exactly. It's as if we will fall in line. I also asked a poster that feels this way further up in

this thread to answer the question, we will see what kind of response I get.

Also, I asked the question: What makes people think people are any less perturbed and offended by Clinton and her surrogatess' comments, as many are and were offended and perturbed by Obama's bitter comments. Plenty has come out of camp that has offended AA. Yet, we should just fall in line, and ignore it all and feel nothing because we have no where else to go.

It's a serious discussion within my circles...

[madrchsod]

82. she is a "working class hero" ! just ask her

she feels the pain of the great unwashed....really she does. she`s been down and out just like them

no one is hiring today, hillary,no one is hiring

[SoCalDem]

85. She's Hilquetha from the Gullah Gullah. worked after school at Shoniqua's Hair salon

[madrchsod]

126. i read where she applied to LaVar Hair Design

but they turned her down.......


......http://www.wetv.com/shows/HairTrauma/

[StevieM]

93. Hillary is a wonderful person who respects everyone. If Barack was such a great guy

then he wouldn't be so disrespectful towards her. She has treated him with respect and kindness and he has repaid her by treating her like dirt.

It's funny how we didn't know that Hillary was a racist until Barack came along. We also didn't know what a terrible person she is until Barack made that the central message of his campaign. Statistically speaking, it seems more plausible that Sen. Obama is just a jerk.

I don't know who will vote for Hillary and who will stay home. I only know that she has a better chance of winning then Obama, because too many Democrats are turned off by his hateful campaign of personal destruction.

Steve

[Doityourself]

123. Stop trippin. Hillary ain't no angel. I know its a surprise, but it's true.

[JoFerret]

83. How can she do that?

She has never spoken with a black person before and has NO understanding of what matters to "them".

[Rosa Luxemburg]

84. if she does get the nomination she will have a lack lustre campaign

I doubt many African Americans will be running to the polls to vote.

[Dr Fate]

91. But wont that upset certain "working class" swing-voters in Pensylvania ?

She should just keep on offending black folks,"activists", elitists and anyone else that the noble working class doesnt like- it has worked great for her in at least one state.

[Nedsdag]

92. Guess what?

She doesn't give a shit about the AA community. She's going after the white blue collar vote.

Well, if she wins the nomination, she'll be lucky to get 50 percent of the AA vote. If that's the case, say hello to President McCain.

[barack the house]

108. The simple fact is Obama has respected Hillary voters never ridiculd them...

Notthe same on the Hillary side so it is logical that she loses votes the best candidate is one who resspects all voters.

[greguganus]

113. So she brings out her fake-ass "I ain't no wayz tarred" condenscending speech

again. She is nothing but white trash in a polyester pantsuit.

[ej510]

114. I tell you one thing her surrogates irritate the fuck out of me!

[jackson_dem]

116. Do you really think she won't?

I am glad you acknowledge the possibility that she could get the nomination. ;)

We know if she wins Bill Clinton will make the rounds and do a "I am sorry" tour in black churches. The things that upset some AA's came from Bill, not Hill. Chiefly the Jackson reference and the "fairy tale" comment.

[Doityourself]

124. Nope. You're wrong. Hill and Bill are one in the eyes of many in the AA community. Oh btw,

many black people I've spoken with are still pissed off that Hillary bought up and tried to tie Obama to Louis Farrakhan during the ABC debates, piled on during the ABC debates..and there's more. You'd be surprised what black folk talk about amongst themselves..lol!

Believe me, we don't just blame Billy.

[crankychatter]

117. When Hillary talks... I hit the mute button

she's all like charlie brown's principal and I'm all lookin down, like charlie brown, thinkin my fly might be open...

she's steadily yarfin like a muted trombone... me all up in my head, wishin I could take a whuppin and not have to listen to this shit