Never post an OP in support of gay rights

[ruggerson]

Never even mention gays or lesbians in the incessant self important screeds that you write on virtually every other issue.

Never rebuke your fellow partisans for using terms like "fags."

Never have the fairmindedness to rebuke your own candidate when they do or say something that are against the best interests of the gay community.

Talk passionately and incessantly about equal rights for other minority groups, but omit gays and lesbians from the ongoing conversation.

Scream (rightfully)at racists, but chat unabashedly and politely with posters who just used homophobic epithets, completely ignoring what they just wrote.

And you expect ANYONE to take you remotely seriously when you get "outraged" over the word "PANSY?"


NOTE: This is written to some of you, clearly not all. There are good and decent folks in both of our candidate's camps. And those that are the complete opposite of what I've written above, I commend and honor you. For those of you that get angry over what I've written above, maybe you should ask yourself why.

[ruggerson]

1. ...

[datopbanana]

2. No offense but there are more important things. Like trashing a dude over his pastor.

or what he occasionally does or does not pin to his lapel.

[xultar]

3. So Obama is more important than LGBT rights and how LGBT's feel?

Ohhhh kay.

[QC]

4. He's more important than anything else in the world! n/t

[ruggerson]

5. Just to be clear

in the threads yesterday shrieking about Hillary standing on stage with the NC governor when he used the word "pansy," there were tons of Obama supporters expressing indignancy and outrage over it.

Almost none of the people in those threads have ever spoken out about gay rights, nor have they ever mentioned gay issues on this board.

It's basically an insult to a lot of the GLBT DU'ers here to have their lives and their civil rights continuously mocked by this particular group and to be used as nothing but a partisan weapon in their neverending game of electing their candidate at all costs.

[ccharles000]

6. I agree.

As a gay man I do not find pansy a gay slur.

[grantcart]

11. I didn't make any comments on the 'pansy' comment and I strongly support real civil rights for gays

I think that in the heat of the battle both sides tend to over reach themselves jumping on minor inconsistencies in lieu of serious issues.

If you look at the stump speeches or the major addresses by both candidates you would also have to say that it is Obama and not Clinton who continues to insert a passing reference to civil rights for gays in prominent positions in the speech.

There is in the Clinton campaign a careful wink and nod approach to the assumed prejudices of the blue collar crowd. I never see Clinton's loyal gay following ever make any comment on it however. Why is that?

Recall Bill's statement about 'our people' and 'our issues' and Hillary's use of 'closed door meetings in San Francisco'.


If Hillary is such a strong supporter of civil rights for the blue collar then why doesn't she atleast put in a passing reference now and then especially in front of blue collar types?


(It may seem like a small issue but I continue to harp on the fact that a much larger portion of the American electorate will support 'civil rights for gays' than 'gay rights'. Gays don't want 'gay rights' they want the same rights everyone else has. People on the fence find it a lot easier to understand the issue as an issue of fairness for everyone rather than a special move for a special group - which it of course isn't but seems like it when it is called 'gay rights'.)

[cali]

7. hmm.

I'm angry at your dishonesty. Most DUers overwhelmingly support the GLBT community and support full rights for the community. Many of us Obama supporters clearly condemned Obama for McClurkin and still do find his actions over that deplorable. I have ALWAYS called out any anti-gay bigotry. So have many other Obama supporters.

Most posts about marriage equality get full throated support here. Most posts about anti-gay bigotry are met with strong support for those targeted.


And the point about the guv using the word pansy, was that most Clinton supporters would go to great lengths to squirm out of saying it's a blatant anti-gay slur. As they did. Hypocrisy runs both ways. And for the record, I don't think that Easly's use of that slur reflects on Clinton.

[ruggerson]

8. I'm glad you feel sanguine about it

I don't know where "most" DU'ers stand on this. My post was about political grandstanding. I do know that there are many gay and lesbian DU'ers who disagree with you vehemently.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x72798

Just in the last few days, I've seen a DU'er call the news commentators who were criticizing Wright "racist fags." Last night, another DU'er called a Repuke who was criticizing Wright a "cocksucker." A third DU'er in an argument with the supporter of an opposing candidate called the DU'er a "dyke." Numerous DU'ers started threads yesterday about Hillary supposedly being a lesbian. Numerous other DU'ers then jumped into those threads making snide thinly veiled anti lesbian jokes and remarks.

And then we had the "pansy" posts, wherein a bunch of Obama supporters pretended this was an issue that they cared about. These are people who never speak up in favor of gay rights nor even show any interest in GLBT issues. But, all of a sudden yesterday, they were interested in the word "pansy."

You're turning a blind eye to all this, cali, if you claim you don't see it.

[cali]

12. I saw nary a one of those comments you claim were posted

but even if they were, that doesn't negate that those idiots are in the minority here.

[TragedyandHope]

9. Kick for voices that need to be heard

:kick:

[reflection]

10. I was looking through the GLBT forum this morning

and there was a thread pertaining to the appropriate use of the phrase "fag hag". Not being familiar with the term, I checked out the thread. Although I only skimmed the thread partway, it seemed that there was a general acceptance of the term. I guess context would have to be taken into account. Someone closer to the subject feel free to educate me.

(edit for punctuation error)