BeyondGeography
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:16 PM
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Hillary's new chief strategist Garin once called for violent overthrow of the U.S. government |
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Not to worry, Hillfans, he wasn't black at the time. Hillary's Top Strategist Once Called for Violent RevolutionYesterday I heard Geoffrey Garin, Hillary's new strategist, on MSNBC, using the Rev. Wright controversy to question whether Obama is out of touch. (The link's not up yet, or I'd quote him). He made similar comments in the Times re Pennsylvania voters. I knew Garin in college more than 30 years ago when we worked at the Harvard Crimson newspaper. He was a special guy--softspoken, funny, brilliant. He was also a radical. In 1973, on an anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, Garin called for violent revolution in the United States: To commemorate the symbolic significance of the Tea party without acknowledging the significance of the commitment to violence is to miss the point altogether. Boston did not win its "Cradle of Liberty" name because of a special intellectual quality of its leaders but because of a special leaders were willing to resort to violence under conditions they thought to be oppressive... Samuel Adams and the South End Mob were the first to understand Tom Paine's admonition, "Moderation in principle is always a vice."
...America and much of the world is living dangerously close to oppression. ... Whether Americans will soon become steadfast in their resistance to oppression depends on their coming to understand what resistance is all about. The way we celebrate the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party will gauge the depth of that understanding....Freedom is on the wane in this country and repression is on the rise all over the world. We can no longer sit back and swap stories about the good old revolution. We have to start worrying about the present. On this anniversary we must recognize that the patriots of Boston acted wisely in overthrowing their oppressors and the time is come to express our confidence in what our forefathers did by doing it ourselves.
Here, following Agnew's resignation in 1973, he says that the government will fall, and again spoke of revolution:
The government in Washington can not survive under these circumstances, and under these circumstances the government should not survive.... America will be governed in any case, but the question is by whom. If not by the people, then by a strong executive. These are revolutionary times, and we must decide now whom we want to win the revolution.
Yes, Geoff Garin was 20 years old when he wrote these pieces. (A mature 20, I must say). I'm sure he stopped calling for revolution after college, probably because he grew out of the ideas-- maybe too because you can't make a living as a leftist. But I knew Garin well enough to be sure that his political impulses, ones of fairness, respect for oppressed peoples, live on somewhere in his thinking to this day. Those impulses once made him call for violent revolution.
It is helpful to read his writings because they demonstrate: how much people grow, how common revolutionary statements have been in the left (even in the Jewish meritocracy, of which Garin and I are members). But mostly because they show that the continuum of left-center ideas, which are now coming back into American life, includes Wright, Garin, and Obama.
I will be "looping," to use Rev. Wright's words, more of Garin's firebrand writings later.
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/called-in-essen.html
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:36 PM
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1. Will Clinton renounce the violent overthrow of the govenment called for by her chief stratigist? |
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Will she demand his resignation, now that she knows what kind of person he is?
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:38 PM
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2. One shudders to think how such information would be used against Obama |
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if the shoe were on the other foot.
But, of course, it's not.
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:46 PM
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9. Bet not but let's ask her supporters if they will check with her |
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:15 PM
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18. Even more importantly, will the media ride this sotry until she does? |
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:39 PM
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:41 PM
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5. Yes and Hillary should have no problem in affirming these statements |
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You can't choose your parents but you hire your campaign manager.
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:43 PM
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7. This is the most ludicrous tit for tat thread since bookbag gate. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:40 PM
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24. if it catches the attention of MSM it will not be tit for tat |
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I am sure that FOX would find it a very serious question.
Hillary keeps opening boxes she shouldn't think about. Guilt by association? You really want to go down that road lol
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:39 PM
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4. Like most of DU hasn't called for that same thing |
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with Chimpy in the White House. :eyes:
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Tue Apr-29-08 11:21 PM
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26. Are you claiming that most of DU has called for the violent overthrow of the Government? That's |
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clearly against DU rules.
I wonder what the voters in Indiana will make of that?
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Tue Apr-29-08 11:25 PM
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28. So you're comparing Garin to Chimpy? Interesting. Very. nt |
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:42 PM
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6. News like this might bring me over to HRC's camp |
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Well, not really, but there comes a time, when you have no voice in the media, and the elections are rigged, and the justice department only prosecutes Democrats, that action becomes neccessary.
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:43 PM
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8. I'm SOOOO happy we're back to our regularly scheduled program... |
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:07 PM
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:18 PM
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21. I just love your work, SwampRat!!! |
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Most excellent!!! :headbang: :headbang:
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Tue Apr-29-08 09:47 PM
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If he's white then who cares. The media will not pick this story up and beat it to death. Now if it was Obama's advisor, that would be a differently story entirely.
Obama has to "prove" he's patriotic enough to be President and a story like that wouldn't help him one bit. Clinton will not have to answer for this because of her fair skin and blond hair. We already know she's patriotic.
She doesn't even have to wear flag pins to prove her patriotism and she doesn't wear them anyway.
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:07 PM
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11. Finally, someone in her campaign I can like. |
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:14 PM
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17. Seems like a good guy...I saw him with Axelrod on MTP and they like each other |
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He's obviously a huge improvement over Mark Penn. My point in posting this is that it will go nowhere. The established narrative has the black guy with the funny name and the fiery pastor as "patriotism-challenged." Hillary is sure to be unscathed, just as such a disclosure would have surely been played up into a potentially fatal disaster for Obama.
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:08 PM
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13. Imagine if Axelrod had done this.... what would you Clinton supporters be doing with this? |
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:10 PM
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"Not to worry, Hillfans, he wasn't black at the time" :D
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:11 PM
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:13 PM
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16. Nothing in that calls for a violent overthrow of anything |
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:18 PM
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20. He went further than that...He stressed the importance of violence |
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"To commemorate the symbolic significance of the Tea party without acknowledging the significance of the commitment to violence is to miss the point altogether.
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:17 PM
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19. So, will the MSM show the same faux outrage towards him as they have Wright? |
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:19 PM
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22. Mwaahhh-- I think the HRC better start investigating what he was writing in kindergarden |
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Clinton Cites Obama's Kindergarten "Essay" To Prove Deceitfulnesshttp://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009344920
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:21 PM
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maybe he hates America.
good read--thanks
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Tue Apr-29-08 10:53 PM
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25. so did Thomas Jefferson |
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you know, Tree of Liberty?
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Tue Apr-29-08 11:23 PM
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27. Is Garin on a book tour? |
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Is Garin cozing up to Bill Moyers to tell him that "I'm a radical, and Hillary's a politician; politicians have to say what politicians have to say?"
I didn't think so. Try this again when it happens.
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:17 AM
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29. Stanley Greenberg, Hill/Bill political advisor, was a Marxist-Leninist as late as 1980 |
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so it can't be chalked up to youthful indiscretion.
Greenberg was the Clintons' main pollster in the 1990s, and is one of the three architects of Bill's 1992 victory documented in the film, "The War Room" along with Carville and Stephanopolous.
Greenberg is one of Hillary's political advisors and supporters.
Greenberg wrote a book using Marxist-Leninist theory to argue that Israel's policies toward the Palestinians was basically similar to the policies of South Africa, Alabama during Jim Crow, and Northern Ireland.
It's difficult to get now, but it was called "Race and State in Capitalist Development."
How come he gets a pass?
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:42 AM
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30. Just when you think it can't get any worse |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:00 PM
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Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 09:01 PM by druidity33
it looks to me like Clinton has bigger ears...
:)
on edit: but maybe they don't stick out as much...
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