Would Obama Throw Martin Luther King Under The Bus?

[Orwellian_Ghost]

Compare MLK's remarks:

He would call the United States “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today” and note that “A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.”

with those of Rev. Wright.

Listen to MLK's speech about Viet Nam, "A Time To Break Silence" and consider that today as relates to Iraq.

What Rev. Wright states is nothing unusual nor anything that hasn't been stated by many before him, in fact it is quite mild and yet Obama feels compelled to distance himself from Rev. Wright, to distance himself from the truth.

Obama has displayed exceptional cowardice and dishonesty in his repudiation of Rev. Wright.

Would Hillary do the same? Of course. But people have been sorely misled to expect otherwise from the Minister of Hope.

[Triana]

1. Hillary would never be put in a political position where she HAD to do that...

..(repudiate her pastor) THAT is the point. Hell she tossed HALF of us under her damned bus - willingly. But she would never - anymore than McSame, be called upon by the media establishment to repudiate her pastor for political reasons.

[scheming daemons]

3. Bingo.

Double-standard.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

9. No that isn't the point

You have purposefully obfuscated the point in your need to defend what is patently indefensible.

Obama is not even addressing the straight talk that Rev Wright lays out.

Again I'm not addressing Hillary here I know she would pander and backslide for career and power. Obama's repudiation goes beyond Rev. Wright and distances an entire legacy and entire reality. It is shameful.

[Triana]

22. Rev Wright is no MLK - false premise

and YES, that most certainly IS the point.

[democracy1st]

32. How can you compare Wright to King ?

[MannyGoldstein]

2. There Is Some Overlap Between Wright's And King's Words

But some important differences as well.

[BeyondGeography]

4. King never clowned it up for the cameras like Wright did yesterday

Nor did he embrace paranoid conspiracy theories.

We now know that Wright couldn't carry King's jockstrap, which makes your point inane.

[polmaven]

14. There ya go!

Dr. King was an insightful, loving, Christian man of God.

Jeremiah Wright is a hate filled egotist.

LARGE difference

[Larkspur]

24. King was called a traitor after his speech "Beyond Vietnam"

And of course Hoover "knew" that King was a Communist.

[EFerrari]

18. 1) You seem to have some kind of problem with Wright

enjoying himself. What is that about? If I'd gotten death threats and my church had bomb threats called in, I'd probably allow myself some down time, too. I might even have given the press that enabled that my biggest middle finger.

And

2) We don't know what Martin thought because the media had nothing like the speed the media has now. What we know is that Martin clowned around enough to lead people into lethal situations, to land in jail and to be designated as the most dangerous man in the country by the FBI. But, at least he never held a press conference that upset you. :)

[uponit7771]

5. I think MLK would've been more constructive in the relationship with Obama honestly. He would have..

...acted more in concert with Obama seeing Obama as a way to get back at the establishment while not losing his soul.

JMHO

[EffieBlack]

6. I don't know. Did MLK ever go on live national tv and mock Obama?

[polmaven]

17. And speaking of mocking....

when his point was that we "never mock white presidents"....He chose JFK...JFKto mock! A revered president well known for improving race relations in the 1960s..a difficult time at best...whose daughter and brother have enthusiastically endorsed Senator Obama! And he left The Idjit in chief alone? GAWD WHAT A STUPID DISPLAY!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. If I hear or read one more reference to somebody

being THROWN UNDER SOME F*CKING BUS...! Can't we please come up with a new cliche?

And no, MLK wouldn't be "thrown under the bus" or hurled under the trolley or shoveled under the steamroller or squished under the Zamboni.

[Yossariant]

8. Only if he thought it'd get him a vote.

[ampad]

10. Would MLK

throw the first, serious black candidate for president under the bus? Honestly, Rev Wright did himself and the black church a great disservice by performing for the media, making fun of Kennedy and such. MLK was a serious man of change and gave his life for civil rights; the man knew he was going to die. Rev. Wright is no MLK. Sure he may of wrote a speech that was similar to Martin but that does not make him like the great MLK. MLK was no clown.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

12. MLK

would not support Obama's pro-war positions I am quite certain.

Obama's candidacy is one that is bought and sold by corporate America and MLK would abhor that.

Find even one remark from Obama relating to Iraq that compares to MLK's remarks about Viet Nam.

Identity politics devours substance.

[ampad]

20. So you know that for sure?

If MLK had to pick and choose between all three candidates you know for sure that he would not support Obama? I mean since we are talking as if the man is still alive and such there are three major candidates running for office. You talk about identity politics yet you try to make it seem that Rev Wright and MLK are the same because of one speech that MLK wrote; or is it because they are both black pastors? I don't think MLK would get on national television and mock the speech patterns of others considering Martin was all about people coming together.

Guess what Rev Wright can say all he wants about the Iraq war, AIDS and whatever but I bet after he said those things he was not looking over his shoulder waiting for a bullet. I bet he didn't fear for his life like MLK did. This is what pisses me off about this entire argument. Rev. Wright has certain "luxuries" nowadays, luxuries that MLK did not have which is evident with his assassination in broad fucking daylight. No, I will not go and find one remark by Obama that relates to the mindset of MLK and war. You trying to make a point by sending me out to do homework? I think I know where MLK stood on war. I also know where MLK stood on the advancement of AA. I also know where he stood on racial divide and while I have heard many of his speeches I have never heard MLK speak as if he were at fucking comedian on BET. Rev. Wright is no MLK.

[democracy1st]

31. you're comparing Wright to MLK you need to read more

[cali]

36. Orwellian Ghost lives in an Orwellian world where up is down and peace is war

Obama is not pro-war. And you haven't a clue as to what King would or would not do re Obama. None of us do, and none of us should be so arrogant as to think we do.

Inanity politics devours the brain.

[candelovsky]

11. It's possible

He would have to consult with his handlers first.

[AZ Criminal JD]

13. Obama is a Chicago politician who would throw anyone under the bus to win

He proved that back in the 90s when he kicked aside state Senator Alice Palmer. She was his political mentor and had introduced Obama to community and political activists on the south side. He then called in some Harvard buddies and had her thrown off the ballot on technicalities. He then ran for her job unopposed. The first of many thrown under the bus.

[eridani]

25. But when Clinton does anything at all to win, that just makes her a "fighter"

Right?

[AZ Criminal JD]

29. I am not complaining about Obama's actions.

Just pointing out he is just another dirty Chicago politician and not the saint he likes to make himself out to be.

[cali]

38. that's so clearly false. Obama has not thrown Bill Ayers under the bus

He didn't throw Wright under the bus until Wright first stabbed him in the back, and the myth about Palmer is bullshit. So who are these many that you claim Obama has betrayed. Please list ALL of them. Thank you.

[AZ Criminal JD]

44. What happened to Alice Palmer is not a myth.

When I was in Chicago I lived in that state senate district. I participated in the slime of Chicago politics and I know exactly what went on. As far as other people he threw his grandmother under the bus. Calling her a racist and a "typical white person".

[JoFerret]

42. Theme of abandonment and betrayal

Just who IS he?

[Blue_Roses]

15. what a slap in the face of MLK to compare him to Rev Wright.

:eyes:

[EFerrari]

21. But, imho, the point isn't if Wright is as important as Martin.

He's clearly not.

The point is that both men were treated in the same way by the powers that be.

[Blue_Roses]

26. while that may be true

both handled it in totally different ways. That's what makes the difference. I can't see MLK going out on the stump to bash Obama the way Wright did.

[EFerrari]

28. Wright didn't bash Obama. He said Obama was a politician.

Obama is a politician.

I don't know if you caught it, but Wright decimated both Bush and Cheney without batting an eye. It was surgical.

He did nothing of the sort with Obama. He said Obama is a politician and I'm a pastor.

[democracy1st]

33. Please its a different day .

How in the world can you come up with that distorted logic

[hokies4ever]

16. Will Hillary throw Bill under the bus?

After all, he did have a couple of little 'controversies' in the White House? How about the press ask if she denounces Bill's blow jobs in the White House?

[JoFerret]

19. If he was in the way...

probably.
It's what politicians do.
Mind you - JW is no MLK

[jasmine621]

23. Yes. He threw Farrakhan under too. nt

[here_is_to_hope]

27. I want someone to toss me under the bus. Ugh. n/t

[True_Blue]

30. Of course he would

He backstabbed the man who married him, babtized his children, counseled him, and introduced him to Jesus. You could tell Rev Wright was hurt deeply. Obama sure has shown everyone what a uniter he can be.

[cali]

34. Wake up. Wright's comments aren't limited to what you've cherry picked

His comments about Bill and Hillary in sermons were repugnant. His supporting the bullshit that AIDS was invented by the gov't to kill minorities is grossly irresponsible. The nonsense about AA children being right brained and EA children being left brained is pseudo scientific crap and divisive in the way he put it.

Wright chose to be a media whore one week before two vital primaries. He chose to say that Obama really believes what he (Wright) believes, but he's lying because he's a politician. In short, Wright chose to stab Obama in the back. He deserved what he got from Obama. I'm with Spike Lee who said Wright should just shut up. Now you can accuse Lee of telling Wright to get to the back of the bus. Hysterical.

[Raine]

35. Would MLK have thrown Obama under the bus

the way Wright did, apparently because he felt slighted or was jealous of Obama or whatever ego problem he has. I can't imagine MLK doing such a thing to the first black man with a real chance of becoming President of the US.

[barack the house]

39. Very good point, nevertheless. If Obama had to King would of undstood King also ran for Jesus.

[barack the house]

40. Very good point, nevertheless. If Obama had to King would of undstood King also ran for Jesus.

[barack the house]

37. Martin Luther King would get it and forgive him.

[JoFerret]

41. JW is no MLK

But....probably. If it was inconvenient.

Wright is now high and low tech lynched.

[npincus]

43. Silly OP-- Wright basically called Obama a phoney; what would youexpect Obama to reply?

If Obama ignored Wright, you would be attacking him for that. Face it: Dem or not, you oppose the man, no matter what he says or does.