87% of Democrats see Clinton's presidency as "excellent or pretty good" (Harris poll)

[candelovsky]

Although most agree that Clinton has been a liability for the Hillary campaign this year, most Democrats view his presidency positively.
63% overall rate his presidency "excellent or pretty good", including 87% of Democrats, 62% of independents and 34% of wingnuts.
Conducted from April 7-15.

I'll give $100 to whoever points me to a mainstream media article reporting this poll tomorrow:

http://harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/

[Moochy]

1. BINGO!

[scheming daemons]

2. Too bad he's not running for office.......

[candelovsky]

4. Unless he said something stupid, in which case he'll be treated as if he were n/t

[babylonsister]

14. Stupid, you say, if he said it? And he'd be treated as a dumbass who's

damaged his wife's chances? :crazy:

[cliffordu]

38. That's right - the one thing I think LOTS of Hillary supporters think

even though they won't admit it is:

They feel like they're going to go back to Bill's golden years....they think Bill's brilliance is transferable to the Hillary white house.

I had that glowing hindsight about them back in the White House again, and then realized something:

She ain't Bill. Hillary is a second rate talent.

From the looks of him lately...he ain't Bill anymore either.....

And the one thing I DO like about Hillary??

Tuzla

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. yes that was Bill Clinton

[Catch22Dem]

5. You wasted your last one on this?

No relevance.

[Muttocracy]

7. wonder what will arrive in 20 minutes?

I meant posts, but now I realize my subject line could have meant pizza.

:popcorn:

[Moochy]

11. Its like one of those gag birthday candles

Candelovsky lived his life like a candle in the wind!

[Muttocracy]

20. :D I'm going to start using the trick birthday candle comparison

We huff and we puff and we can't blow them out. Mods are probably overworked tonight. Sigh.

[babylonsister]

21. Oy! The one that's 'hard' to 'blow' out?

:dilemma:

[Muttocracy]

35. oh dear, the puns are tripping over themselves! didn't think of that. nt

[Danger Mouse]

6. annnnd one more turd in the bowl...

before it's all flushed.

[DemGa]

8. K&R

[candelovsky]

9. Wow. I was expecting DU'ers to be proud of our Democratic president

Who set an example of how to run the White House. Looks like the sentiment here is different.

[Danger Mouse]

10. you're not fooling anyone.

[Moochy]

13. Not fooling but definitely some spoofing going on.

As in IP Addresses.

[Danger Mouse]

17. He's got spoofed IP addy's like i got foldin' green, y'alls!

[Forkboy]

12. Compared to you Travis Bickle is well-adjusted.

[Hepburn]

15. Please...STFU, OK? n/t

[golddigger]

51. Nobody force you to click this post. And STFU, yourself OK? nt

[Condem]

16. Another one risen from the dead.

Who were you, candelovsky?

[golddigger]

52. Your mother perhaps?

[hokies4ever]

19. Gore would have won in 2000

if Bill wouldn't have sullied the Oval Office with some of his actions. Bush ran a campaign on being a unifier and a devout Christian and he won because of that.

[Moochy]

18. Check out the OP's welcoming party here and the other threads

[Swamp Rat]

23. nahm! nahm!

CyberPieHole! :D

[Moochy]

27. Cookie!

You even got his moobs right!

[dysfunctional press]

22. some suggested readings from us 13%er's...

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000214/greider/5

Unfinished Business
Clinton's Lost Presidency
By William Greider

This article appeared in the February 14, 2000 edition of The Nation.
January 27, 2000.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/26/6641/

Published on Saturday, January 26, 2008 by CommonDreams.org
Eight More Years?
by RN

[FrenchieCat]

24. That's called selective nostalgic amnesia.....

THE RISE OF THE DLC

its mission was far more confrontational. With few resources, and taking heavy flak from the big guns of the Democratic left, the DLC proclaimed its intention, Mighty Mouse-style, to rescue the Democratic Party from the influence of 1960s-era activists and the AFL-CIO, to ease its identification with hot-button social issues, and, perhaps most centrally, to reinvent the party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a pro business, pro-free market outlook.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/1/24/16457/4867

Hence the DLC via Bill Clinton's Presidency gave us among other things.......

NAFTA

Clinton Signs NAFTA
12/8/93"I do want to say, also, a special word of thanks to all the citizens who helped us -- the business leaders, the labor folks, the environmental people who came out and worked through this; many of them at great criticism, particularly in the environmental movement and some of the working people who helped it. And a group that was quite pivotal to our success that I want to acknowledge specifically are the small business people, many of whom got themselves organized and came forward and tried to help us. They made a real difference. " Bill Clinton at NAFTA signing Ceremony
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/legacy/120893-speech-b...

1996 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT

Clinton Signs The Telecommunications Act of 1996
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the first major overhaul of telecommunications law in almost 62 years. The goal of this new law is to let anyone enter any communications business -- to let any communications business compete in any market against any other.

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 has the potential to change the way we work, live and learn. It will affect telephone service -- local and long distance, cable programming and other video services, broadcast services and services provided to schools.
http://www.fcc.gov/telecom.html

WELFARE REFORM ACT

1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act
On August 22, President Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 Conference Report to accompany H.R. 3734, the controversial legislation which repeals the 60 year old social safety net for the poor and requires welfare recipients to work. The legislation is very much like H.R. 4, the previous welfare bill that the President vetoed at the urging of NOW and other advocacy organizations. And, like the previous bill, the President received severe criticism from community activists, women's rights, social service advocacy, labor, minority, and religious groups in embracing this Republican-led effort to change the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=1996_Welfare...

BANKING REFORM BILL

Clinton signs banking overhaul measure
November 12, 1999
The biggest change in the nation's banking system since the Great Depression became law Friday, when President Bill Clinton signed a measure overhauling federal rules governing the way financial institutions operate.

Congress passed the bipartisan measure November 5, opening the way for a blossoming of financial "supermarkets" selling loans, investments and insurance. Proponents had pushed the legislation in Congress for two decades, and Wall Street and the banking and insurance industries had poured millions of dollars into lobbying for it in the past few years.

"The world changes, and Congress and the laws have to change with it," said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm (R-Texas), who has fought for years for the overhaul. Gramm said the bill would improve banking competition and stability.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/11/12/banki...

DOMA

Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- HR 3396 or Public Law No. 104-199 -- on 21 September 2000. It defines marriage as an act between heterosexuals and frees one state from being required to honor the same-sex marriage conducted in another state. As of this writing, 39 states have laws based on DOMA; 18 of those are amendments to the state constitution.

On Friday, September 20, prior to signing the Defense of Marriage Act, President Clinton released the following statement:

I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse".
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/gaymarriage/a/DOMA.htm

CHINA TRADE DEAL

Clinton signs China trade bill
October 10, 2000
he measure is considered the most important U.S. trade legislation since passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. But it faced a long campaign of opposition from labor, human rights and conservative groups who wanted to retain the annual review of trade relations with China.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/10/... /

"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/hillary-clinton-on-w...

(ACTUAL LINKS AVAILABLE HERE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5587196

[grrr050]

50. You are so tiresome..............

Nobody reads you post and repost anymore.

[Condem]

25. 19 posts

Posting like an old pro. Stats, even!

[Captain Hilts]

26. Another example of how what is posted on DU is NOT at all typical of most Dems. nt

[candelovsky]

28. Is it me or this poll made people angry?

Wow.

[scheming daemons]

29. No.... Bubba's presidency was good.... Hillary's wouldn't be......

....and Bubba's not the same today that he used to be.

[Condem]

30. C'mon, candel

Fess up.

[Moochy]

32. And Ye Shall Know Them By Their Skipped Replies

Notice what these under 25 posts, low post 3 post a day posters DONT reply to.

If they were really new would not they be puzzled about all of these types of replies?

[Moochy]

34. Aww Too Bad Only DemGA is here to offer you gatorade

Where is the rest of the welcoming committee?

[Condem]

37. Threads in succession

A golden oldie. Satan, get behind me!

[Moochy]

40. lol

Proud2BCyberPieholeJLake

I mean if you were none of these people and then joined a board and a bunch of people called you out, wouldnt you defend yourself?

"candelovsky to basecamp, I dropped my ordnance, come in base camp"
"This is Commandant Taylor Marsh, you've got 3 more salvos ready! Fire Fire Fire!"

[Forkboy]

36. How sad your life must be.

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

45. I'll take Door #1, Monty.

Troll.

[DemGa]

31. And Obama had some convinced the majority of Dems HATED Clinton

Just another example of that poor sham Obama.

[spooky3]

33. Actually, most DON'T agree he has been a liability. Please re-read your link.

Also, remember that the mixed results Harris reports include all voters, Republicans and Independents as well as Dems. Certainly most Republicans have a less than objective reason to be critical of Clinton. This result is more telling:

"Not surprisingly, President Clinton is perceived much more favorably by Democrats as two-thirds (66%) of Democrats believe he helps his wife’s campaign compared to 46 percent of Independents and 30 percent of Republicans. "

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[Condem]

41. Everybody

Give it up for Proud2be! He's back!

[Prophet 451]

42. it WAS pretty good

Bill Clinton as president got a lot of things right. When he made mistakes, he made BIG mistakes (i.e. NAFTA, the Welfare Reform Act) but that shouldn't detract from what was, on the whole, a pretty successful presidency.

It's difficult to say what Bill's role in Hillary's campaign should have been. On the one hand, his charisma is such that he will always dominate discussion when he's around. On the other hand, it would have looked very odd (and raised questions) if he hadn't been out there stumping for his wife's candidacy.

[Zhade]

43. delete

never mind

[Name removed]

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[Liquorice]

46. I'm sure he would. nt

[candelovsky]

48. numerous investigations have concluded Vince Foster committed suicide

The insinuation that the Clintons killed Foster is kooky.

From Media Matters:

Several independent investigations have determined that Vincent Foster's death was a suicide and that former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Clinton were not involved in a cover-up related to his death. Media Matters for America has documented multiple attempts by right-wingers to advance the rumor that Clinton is a lesbian or bisexual (here, here, here, and here).
http://mediamatters.org/items/200705230006

Including Kenneth Starr's investigation:

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Feb. 23) -- Independent counsel Kenneth Starr has concluded that presidential aide Vincent Foster was not murdered and that President Bill Clinton and the first lady were not involved in a coverup, the Los Angeles Times reported Sunday.


The Times quotes anonymous sources as saying Starr's report covers more than 100 pages and is due to be released soon.

The report refutes claims by conservative political organizations that Foster was the victim of a murder plot and coverup, the newspaper said.


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/02/23/starr.report/

[rodeodance]

49. Right on cue from guyanaKoolaid--The Repug RW smear. You Spam every thread with is this!!

[MrSlayer]

47. Compared to what we have now, it was. But overall? Not so much.

Bill governed as a moderate Republican. Took us further right politically and did a lot of damage to the middle class, helped set up the corporate media we so despise. Not being all bad is excellent compared to being all bad as Chimp and his cabal have been. Compared to FDR, for example, Clinton sucked ass.

[Political Heretic]

53. Make up your mind. Either the term "billary" is appropriate becuase they are the same or

They are not the same, in which case this poll is irrelevant.