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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:12 PM
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OK, now I'm feeling sick. Do you realize that if Obama is slimed and smeared
enough that the Super Delagates and voters walk away from him, the person they walk to will be the person who has been doing the sliming and smearing? Our alternative candidate is not the Hillary Clinton of May, 2007 but the Hillary Clinton of today, May 2008! Whatever she did in 34 years of public life, she has wiped out in the last six months!
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Ramonna Villota Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:14 PM
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1. this is a
tragedy
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:15 PM
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2. Yes, I realize that. n/t
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:39 PM
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19. faith doesn't always have to be disposable income in politics.
i know, i know, once in an epoch, but i still have it :)

:hi:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:15 PM
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3. I read yesterday that the Wright issue and may actually steel some Supers resolve to
not buckle under the pressure, lest they be seen as caving to a seamy racist political powerplay.
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Johnny Battleground Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:01 AM
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36. And allow Hillary to steal other Super Delegates
Hope.
Change.
Unity.

Just got flushed, with Obama's creds.
How can you erase a 20-year association with the vile racist Wright?
You cannot.
Obama disowned him shortly after saying he could never do that.
And Wright said nothing new.

For Obama it's good night, the party's over.

Super Delegates Vote Hillary.


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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:16 PM
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4. they won't. They are just as turned off by it as we are. If Bill Richardson can see through
it, then so can the others.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:27 PM
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11. That sort of implies that Richardson is the dumbest of them all
Is that what you meant?
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:41 PM
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21. how does it imply that? read more carefully....
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:24 AM
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43. I read it as him seeing through her despite his past loyalty to the clintons.
NT!

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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:16 PM
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5. My goodness, I'm sure all the Obama supporters will join together
to elect the nominee. That's certainly what they expect Clinton Supporters to do, if Obama wins the nomination. I'm sure they would never be two-faced. Think of the SCOTUS and Roe V. Wade.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:45 PM
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26. your precious you ever heard of one of these? :
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:18 PM
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6. I wouldn't worry about SDs walking away. Or voters.
I'm a pledged delegate and I have no intention of walking away from him.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:43 PM
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24. that's a true patriot =)
:patriot:
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:18 PM
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7. Sorry, but you folks might be voting for a hillary clinton... But i won't be...
That would leave me one of two options... Stay home (Probably) or vote for Ralph Nader (Not likely).
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:32 PM
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13. I'm moving. The Bush Cabal didn't get me to leave, but the Clinton Cabal will.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:49 PM
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27. whereever you go in this world today
america will haunt you if you abscond from her....

stay strong, we shall overcome ...

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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:21 AM
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41. Wow, you seem to be a strange one to say the least.. Whats your story? n/t
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 10:53 AM
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51. i believe in barack and this country
despite discomfiture with the human limitations of each

:patriot:

greetings and salutations :hi: gratified to make your acquaintance
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:50 PM
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28. I'll give you a farewell party.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:06 AM
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37. Neither will I
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:18 PM
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8. Obama's won it will be over soon.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:20 PM
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9. Boy, I hope so! I've waited 40 years to have a candidate I really feel good about
get this far. It only started to seem possible after Iowa. I keep waiting to wake up back in Kansas!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:25 PM
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10. your assumption is all wrong and blaming HRC for obama's
fuck up cannot be laid at her feet. obama brought this all on himself. Hell, even with a whoremedia telling him yesterday what he needed to do about wright and to help him with this controversy the whoremedia gave him the playbook and said to him, "hey, you need to go after wright. You need to show emotion when you do. You need to be angry and mad and upset when you comdemn wright. Oh yes the whoremedia was telling obama all this yesterday and into the evening...and once you have done this we will be supporting you and giving you ravev reviews how well you did and how forceful you were.uh huh and guess what happened? yep, a press conference this afternoon and the mediawhores where out in numbers telling all its viewers how greta and strong obama was in his condemnation of wright. he showed great leadership and all that other bullshit......but a strange thing happened. Folks are not buying into this phoney crap again. WHY?

The questions remain: Why did he stay a member of the congregation? Why didn't he speak up earlier? And why did he reward Rev. Wright with a campaign position even after knowing of his comments? obama said for the first time a few weeks ago that had Rev. Wright not recently resigned as pastor of the church, he would have withdrawn. But that only reraised the same questions: Why didn't he act before the resignation? Furthermore, after knowing about some of these sermons and having serious problems with some of their messages, why did Mr. Obama still decide to appoint Rev. Wright to his official presidential campaign religious advisory committee?

Mr obama is now a flawed man and is unworthy of the nomination and the sooner he accepts the fact he will not be the nominee the better the dems will be.

HRC did not raise this issue, it is self inflicted from obama. Maybe obama needs to repair his own hole in his soul before he again tries to mend the holes of other peoples.

Ben David

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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:29 PM
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12. He answered those questions in his press conference this morning.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:33 PM
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14. She DID! Dirty rottin'...in around about way
A New York Daily News reporter, Errol Louis, revealed that Rev. Barbara Reynolds, who is also a journalist, is a Clinton supporter who suggested Rev. Wright as a speaker to the National Press Club awhile back and was recently asked to organize his appearance there this week.

Since Louis broke his story, the relevant February entry on Barbara Reynold's blog has disappeared -- just vanished. In addition, neither Rev. Reynolds nor the Clinton campaign, as of the posting of this news alert, have responded to queries about whether Reynolds suggested and organized Wright's appearance at the National Press Club with the knowledge of the Clinton campaign or go-betweens for the Clinton campaign.

Using cache recovery and other techniques, a BuzzFlash reader recovered the key blog entry that Errol Louis quoted from before it was deleted.

These are, allegedly, Rev. Reynolds' words of support for Clinton and explanation as to why she voted for Clinton in Maryland:

Using Google's cache and examining the source code of the deleted entry, I have been able to reconstruct the posting from Barbara Reynolds' blog (http://reynoldsworldnews.blogspot.com/) dated February 14, 2008, titled "HOPE", in which Barbara Reynolds, the person who supposedly organized Rev. Wright's appearance at the National Press Club, praises and thanks the Clintons.

The URL of the Google Cache is here:

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:SIgvOotIPkkJ:reynoldsworldnews.blogspot.com/2008/02/hope.html+reynoldsworldnews+hope&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

and the text I retrieved is here:
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/alerts/349
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:52 PM
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30. That was suggested 2 years ago - way before Wright's fame.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:39 PM
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20. He is flawed? What about Senator Clinton? n/t
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:56 PM
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32. hillary's not flawless
:eyes:
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:08 AM
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40. You disgust me
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:09 AM by DontTreadOnMe
"Mr obama is now a flawed man and is unworthy of the nomination"

The DU forums are imploding. I am beginning to be ashamed to visit this forum.
Democrats are ruining it for the Democrats.
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guyanakoolaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:22 AM
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42. If he is a "flawed man" because of Wright, what the hell is Hillary, married to a serial adulterer?
She sticks by someone who stains girls sweaters as a hobby. I would call them both "flawed". And so will the Rethug attack machine if Hillary were to go to the GE. Fortunately the math is making that look less and less likely.
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:54 AM
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49. so, you stopped referring to him as Barry, yet
you refuse to capitalize his name.

Meanwhile, despite your ridiculous post declaring he will not be the nominee --
strange, then, isn't it? That the SD's are still all flocking to him.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:34 PM
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15. Hillary's going to have to find a new smear tactic
because Obama called her (and McCain's and the MSM's) bluff today.

She dredges it up at the risk of backlash, and I don't think the things that have been going on in this campaign - Obama's resiliency and Hillary being supported by the Right Wing are going to be lost on the SDs. Clinton getting chummy with the VWRC perpetrators is going to disgust and concern the supers more than the Pastorbation, as it should.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:37 PM
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16. I feel very positive today that this is not going to happen. I think more SD will come out and
support him now.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:38 PM
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17. The Clintons just don't get it. People will choose McCain over her
For years the DLC has abandoned and ignored the Dem party infrastructure in the very states where Obama has actually mobilized voters.

But these voters won't go for HRC.
They'll stay home, or vote McCain.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:39 PM
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18. John Edwards for President. :)
How funny would it be if he reactivated his "suspended" campaign as a compromise candidate.

He was my first choice.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:41 PM
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22. NOW you're talkin!
:toast:
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:42 PM
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23. Hoist on his own racebaiting petard. Blowback's a bitch. Obama is toast.
:toast:
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Ramonna Villota Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:44 PM
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25. She made her Bed
Now she has to sleep in it
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:59 PM
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34. this one?


(bill gets the bottom bunk) ;)
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:50 PM
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29. That's the way it goes in the US of ASS - always has n/t
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:54 PM
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31. You go to Trinity?
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:08 AM
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39. This whole country does, apparently..
....and your gal Hillary at the forefront of that phenomonon - and her little friend Barbara, of course.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:00 AM
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35. no thing is perfect in its every part (Horace)
but that doesn't mean a corrupt part destroys the whole...
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:06 AM
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38. It appears to me that is precisely what has happened n/t
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 12:07 AM by Triana
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-29-08 11:58 PM
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33. They will not be walking from Obama. More will be walking towards him...
...as they already are. Congress persons need every vote they can get in the upcoming election. Hillary will be a plague for them if she's the candidate. They need Obama's coat-tails. He will bring blocks of voters, which Hillary would negate. They know this. Simple fact is, they want to keep their jobs.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:25 AM
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44. nah... By Clinton Standards...
...he's vetted.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:18 AM
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45. Hillary never should have given birth to Rev Wright and blackmailed him into shooting his mouth off
But then, we all know Hillary is omnitient an omnipotent, so she can do anything she wants, including change the weather.

I guess we're lucky she even bothers to pretend that she needs our votes, when all she has to do is march into Washinton and throw King George out the window.

On the other hand, having a president who can make old friends turn on each other with her invisible thought rays could come in handy in foreign affairs.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:25 AM
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46. Not likely, they would have to kiss the party good bye to do that.
It almost happened in 2005 when the Ohio electors were to be certified by the Senate. It seems that
the leaders didn't know that about 50% of black Americans thought that 2004 was fixed right in Ohio
(and they were right). There was going to be the typical blow off when the House members came to
the Senate to make their case. But Jesse Jackson intervened with Barbara Boxer and there were 11
Democratic leaders supporting her in the challenge. She alone voted against the certification but
the day was saved for the party. Had that not occurred, I'm firmly convinced, we'd not be having
these debates. It was that close.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:27 AM
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47. Hey, he had a beautiful, human moment today. That makes him IMO, more electable to
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 01:28 AM by ShortnFiery
the electorate. No matter how the M$M down played it, Obama's GOOD CHARACTER and MORAL COMPASS shines though. I hope and pray that he will be our next President of The United States.

Have Faith and Stay Strong ... for our children and all those who come after us, let's make America a better place? :-)
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:28 AM
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48. The Democratic Party dies if that happens
It will be the birth of a third political party. One that lies to the left of Repubs and DLCs. Maybe it'd be for the best in the long run, if our Party's leadership is that damn stupid.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:15 AM
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50. It's all pretty sleazy and disgusting isn't it?
Makes me want to walk away from politics and not look back.
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