A unity ticket is the only way. A Clinton-Obama ticket is the very BEST way.

[Writer]

A unity ticket is our best way of maintaining the cross-over Republicans and Independents while avoiding offending African-American and some female voters who will feel slighted if party leaders shuttle one of the candidates out of the race. Not only would we have Clinton's experience, but Obama's optimism, and being that they both are pragmatic leaders, our nation would assuredly benefit.

Specifically, the Clinton-Obama arrangement would lengthen our leadership possibilities from eight years to sixteen. At the very least, the mere symbolism of Clinton and Obama together would herald a new liberal era to deliver us from the conservative era in place since Nixon. We exist now in a political transitional moment: We can decide to choose one of these candidates for a short term transition, or we can choose both and lengthen it for as long as possible.

Re: Clinton and Obama not "getting along." (How do we know whether they hate each other, by the way?) The venom in these camps starts from the grassroots up. If we're going to take credit for being the strength underpinning these campaigns, then we also must take responsibility for its tenor which, as we can read in this forum, is not that positive. Consider this: their policies and politics are nearly identical. Much of our communication in here colors how we view the relationship between these two candidates. As Carl Bernstein stated on CNN the night of the Pennsylvania primary (as one example): "The only people who are asking Hillary Clinton to leave the race are the Obama supporters."

But policy-wise, how could they not be compatible? Candidates with far more light between them have joined on tickets, most noticeably the bitter relationship that existed between Reagan and Bush, Sr. in 1980. They hated each other during the primaries, but joined into a politically successful arrangement. The only thing that stands in the way of a successful unity ticket is if one or the other decides to be peevish.

I firmly believe a unity ticket is our best way of establishing a firm Democratic hold on the White House. This is our moment to take advantage of the political realignment currently in progress.

Let's unify behind one powerful ticket. We would kick Republican ass for many years to come.

~Writer~

[Cronus Protagonist]

1. Clinton-Obama, no thanks

I won't unify for that.

[mod mom]

89. I second that but loudly: NO THANKS!!

[PoliticalAmazon]

109. I won't vote for Hillary, period. I don't care if she was VP to Jesus Christ. n/t

[guyanakoolaid]

2. Pardon my French, but Hillary can take her desperate hopes of VP and go fuck herself

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. Obama is that you?

[SoCalDem]

19. When Hilquetha Jackson Rodham loses NC

perhaps the money train will derail permanently , and maybe then we can finally be rid of her...

No doubt Bill will get the "working class" (wink-wink) to fold up their sheets & pointy hats away long enough to vote for Hillary.. and Rush-Robots for the hometown Hillary will join in..but I am hoping that Hammond, Gary, East Chicago and some other people step up and send her packing..

i am just so tired of seeing that fake smile and bill's crooky finger...

[StevieM]

28. Hillary doesn't want to be VP, that's just something Obama people claim so that they can then

"rub her nose" in the fact that she won't get it.

She doesn't want it. She is running for president, and until Obama locks up a majority the race continues.

Steve

[PoliticalAmazon]

111. Odd theory. "Unity" begging seems to come from Hillary supporters. n/t

[Rageneau]

32. Which Obama virtue do you represent -- Hope or Change?

Not sure where 'go fuck yourself' fits in with all BO's talk about unity and harmony and reaching across the aisle and group hugs and nappy-poos with brutal dictators.

[guyanakoolaid]

33. I do not represent the Obama camp. I represent an attack on the neocon tactics of the Clintons

Hillary has said the Republican is more qualified to be president than Obama

Hillary has pushed for a change to rules she previously agreed to simply to steal votes

Hillary has pushed the Wright issue to superdelegates, using the "elecatbaility in the GE" excuse, VERY hypocritically ignoring the skeletons waiting to spill out of her own closet, and the fact that just because it may be an attack the Rethugs use, doesn't excuse the sheer racism of the Clintons using it as well.


Obama is campaigning, and is otherwise to much of a gentleman to tell Hillary and Bill what they need to be told: "Fuck off, you are damaging the eventual nominee Obama, yourselves, and the entire Democratic Party."

[JasonHill]

78. Some of the more extreme HIllary supporters have it both ways

they engage in mud-slinging character assassination yet when you attack back they then attack you over the fact you are attacking them. Always on the attack that way they don't have to be held accountable for your their own lack of character/principles. Personally, i find amoral liars/hypocrites who don't even believe in the concept of trying to be virtuous just as much of a threat to liberalism as conservatives

[TahitiNut]

39. My sentiments exactly.

:thumbsup:

[WillyToad]

83. And take her supporters with her?

Hate has poisoned your reasoning

Over half of Hillarys supporters say they wont vote for OBama, I believe it is because of abuse towards them from divisive people, like you.

Unity my ass

[guyanakoolaid]

116. Divisive is bitching you won't vote Dem unless your first choice is nominated

and admittedly some Obama supporters have been just as guilty.

[Levgreee]

3. this reminded me of "Join me, and together we can rule the galaxy!"

[Zhade]

6. LOL!

Niiiiiice.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. Best Line of the Post..... LOL

Its over Hillary, I have the Higher Ground"


Says Obama Wan Kenobi

Darth Hillary: 'You've turned the people against me.'

Obama Wan Kenobi: 'You have done that yourself.'

Darth Hillary: 'You took the presidency away from me.'

Obama Wan Kenobi: 'Your anger and lust for power have already done that.'

[guyanakoolaid]

41. Oh snap

Where did you get that picture? I was just thinking "this subthread needs a pic"... haha, didn't expect Obi-Ama

[TahitiNut]

40. Darth Hillary

[JoFerret]

127. Time for you to leave my friend

.

[Apollo11]

81. You think Hillary is the most evil person in the universe?

I think Barack Obama would disagree with you on that.

[Triana]

Oh Puhleeze. Drop it already. n/t

[Zhade]

4. Nope. She hasn't earned the top, or ANY, slot.

Sorry. Not likely to happen in my view.

[Writer]

7. But I'm curious: What if it DID happen.

What would you do then?

[Moochy]

14. Hypotheticals and Hypocrites

Hypo-: Prefix meaning "low, under, beneath, down, below normal" as in hypocalcemia (low calcium in the blood), hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) and hyposensitivity. The opposite of hypo- is hyper-.

To bring up Hypothetical scenarios as if they were valid is the pinnacle of hypocrisy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

For linguist and social analyst Noam Chomsky, hypocrisy, defined as the refusal to "...apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to others" is one of the central evils of our society--promoting injustices such as war and social inequalities in a framework of self-deception, which includes the notion that hypocrisy itself is a necessary or beneficial part of human behavior and society.

(bold emphasis mine)

[Zhade]

17. That's a tough one. If she was at the top? Stay home. I don't reward documented compulsive liars.

If he were at the top, as he's earned? Well, we've already lived under one power-hungry VP with delusions of grandeur who thinks he has powers he doesn't, I don't relish the idea of another. But I'd likely vote for Obama at that point, and wait to see how long it took for her to try to overrule him.

[WillyToad]

86. Vote for McCain

right? It is a lot easier than swallowing your pride, licking your wounded ego, and doing what is right. Hatred does that to a person.

Most of your accusations against her do not exist except as exagurations in Obama supporters and freepers hateful minds. I sincerely believe that Obama supporters divisive, angry, dissolusioned, hateful attitudes are a product of them allying with the freepers in their obsession with hating the Clinton family.

[Zhade]

125. The Tuzla video and NAFTA meetings paper trail prove you wrong.

Also: if you can't spell, at least use spellchecker. I mean, it's right there. It only takes a second.

And I'd never vote for McLame. As I said, I just wouldn't vote for a president. Don't like it? Fuck you, I don't care.

[Hepburn]

64. If somehow that POS Hillary stole the top spot on the ticket?

What would I do? Vote for her? NO WAY IN HELL!

[LakeSamish706]

5. Not in my life time... ugh.. Obama/Gore or Gore/Obama maybe... But Clinton...

on any ticket.. nope... No F***ing way....

[Hutzpa]

13. or Obama/Dean n/t

[newmajority]

8. 28 years of BushClinton trickle down corporatist reverse robin hood middle class destroying bullshit

Hillary on a ticket is unacceptable.

[Hutzpa]

9. Last ditch efforts....... ha!

after all the vile crap, besides who wants Bill Clinton back in the WH, as you can
see, the man is completely out of control and she can't control him now on the
campaign trail what makes you think she would be once she gets to the WH?

No Thanks.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. You have what kind of background in running general election campaigns?

Are you qualified to back up your opinion?

Or are you just wishing for bad luck and knocking on wood?

If either runs with the other I won't vote for the ticket.

If either wins the nomination, and picks there own choice, I will vote for the Democratic nominee.

Do you know why?

If Obama puts Hill on his ticket, I will know he is full of bullshit and a liar when he says he wants change and a new direction.

If Hill put Obama on his ticket, a person that she claims is unqualified a heart beat away from the presidency, I will know that she is full of bullshit and a liar.

Why do you want to lose? I want to win.

Quit begging to lose. Thank you.

[CakeGrrl]

11. This again? No.

She's too entrenched with the right-wing. There's no unringing that bell.

And arbitrarily deciding she should be at the top of the ticket while she is actively LOSING the nomination is a big DOUBLE-NO.

[mac2]

12. That's a terrible idea.

I know Air America was pushing it the other day so I'm against it.

[nebula]

15. He would be dead within a year

of taking office.

that I can guarantee.

[guyanakoolaid]

45. I didn't want to say that, but you took the words right out of my fingers.

[greguganus]

16. BULLCRAP! I will not vote for any ticket with HillBilly on it, not even as Obama's running mate. nt

[StevieM]

30. Sure you will. Your hatred of the Clintons is motivated by love of Obama. So you'll get over it.

Not that Hillary has any interest in being VP, so you can relax. At least until she wins the nomination.

Steve

[greguganus]

37. I hate the Clintons more than I love Obama so I would leave the presidential space blank. n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

57. What if Albert E. Gore, Nobel prize winner stepped in?

Would you vote then?

[greguganus]

71. Yes I would. Gore would never run with Hillary. n/t

[Genevieve]

20. Please stop already. nt

[stratomagi]

21. I said this to one of my co-workers

To suggest a unity ticket between Obama and Clinton is to have a poor understanding of politics.

[marions ghost]

67. good way to put it

it's very simplistic to think they would "unite the factions of the party" that way.

As others have said already Hillary on the ticket would undermine the Obama campaign and provide a needless tug-of-war at the top. Obama needs somebody he can work with, who would be an asset. At some point you have to give up magic symbolic solutions to this. I don't think there's a chance in hell for Obama to choose Hillary--there are too many other good options.

Whenever you set out to appease rather than lead, you are going to lose. Obama knows the difference.

[Trajan]

23. Writer ? .... I guess it's you and me alone ....

No matter how you slice and dice it: Approximately one half of the DU membership is going to take their marbles and go home come November .... They will be angry ... They will consider their own needs above and beyond the needs of the greater population ... They will either vote for McCain, or they will vote for a write in, or they will vote for none of the above (which is essentially a vote for McCain ..) ...

Or; they will hold their nose and vote for the very person whom they profess rabid and extreme hatred in the here and the now .....

Frankly : I am a consensus guy .... I never expect to get what I want : I always expect to give a little and hope to get something back in return ....

I don't believe I will, but I have for the first time thought about exiting DU in the near future .... I have never been one to declare I will leave this forlorn forum, but I have to ask myself what I have in common with those who promote their own ego above the good of the most of us ....

I agree in principle with the greater number of policies and ideas that are promoted here ... But I will not vote against my own interest .... And while I will not leave DU, I already recognize that I have a basic disagreement with most of the Candidate-Partisans here ....

I cannot feel confident that the bulk of DUers actually care for anyone other than themselves .....

There is no attempt to ameliorate disagreements, no expressions of brotherhood and understanding ... No vision of a inclusive future : Only a desire to smack down the 'opposition' in our own camp .. To use the very rhetoric of our rivals in the GOP in order to promote their own egotistical preferences to the exclusion of all else .... It is ugly here beyond expectation .....

I will vote for Obama ... I will vote for Hillary ... I will vote for either OR both, in any order ....

But the fact is: DU has proven itself to be a dead end as far as unity is concerned .... The brotherhood is dead here .....

And it is not your fault ..... and it is not my fault .....

Apparently: Consensus has no place here ..... Not when utilitarian inclusion can be trumped by self interest ....

I think Skinner is wrong: The animosity generated in these forums will carry forward as tacit vanity .... The 'losers' camp will take potshots at the 'winners' until the next opportunity to knock another imperfect candidate down presents itself ....

But hey: You have my vote ...... Guaranteed ....

One bright spot though: Democrats outside of DU WILL unify ... no matter what the crybabies here whine about ....

[Writer]

43. A big "huzzah!" for everything you've written above.

Mega cheers here: :toast:

There are too many people on DU who think they are too damned important.

[emilyg]

50. Bravo!

[musicblind]

55. Excellent post! You should consider posting it as an OP

Though maybe take out the part about Skinner. : )

[John Q. Citizen]

97. You aren't a poli sci major, that's for sure. My guess is you think Hill is lying when she says

Obama isn't qualified.

So will the rest of the electorate if she puts a person she claims is unqualified on the ticket with her a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

The same would be true if Obama put Hill on his ticket. Then everybody would know that he wasn't serious about change and a new direction.

You entirely miss the point as to why it won't happen. You think it's about the animosity and rancor of the campaign. It isn't.

It's about whether Democrats decide to emphasize that their POTUS choice is a complete and total liar. A"unity ticket" would prove that to be the case.


I can only conclude that you are either completely naive about politics, or that your support of Hill is part of Operation Chaos and you are working to elect John McCain.

Which is it?

[Lilith Velkor]

114. I'd be happy to let the self-important crybabies fuck off and vote for McCain

...if only none of them lived in swing states.

[NV Whino]

24. Shirley you jest.

[guyanakoolaid]

35. Don't...

call me Shirley



<cue: inside Clinton control tower. cue shit. cue fan.>


What do you make of this?

[ShortnFiery]

25. Now there's your "fairy tale" ... HRC has burned all her reconciliation bridges to Obama.

IMO, it will be Obama/Richardson.

[ruby slippers]

26. anything with Clinton on it sours my stomach....I dunno.....

[Tactical Progressive]

27. I don't want Obama's hate-filled hordes near Democratic power

They gave us nearly a decade of Bush-Cheney and everything that will come out of it for years if not decades to come.

That they could be rewarded for their traitorousness would defile all of American history.

[Colobo]

29. Obama-Clinton, yes. Clinton-Obama, no.

[goclark]

84. Food taster need for Obama - Clinton

get the visual.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

98. I gotcher visual ...

:scared:

[CADEMOCRAT7]

31. Hillary destroyed this possibility

[file83]

52. Nor does she want it. She's obviously in it either ALL or NOTHING.

Too bad she just hasn't come to realization that she isn't getting the "ALL" yet...

[StevieM]

56. Fortunately, you're not the one who gets to decide (eom)

[saltpoint]

34. It could happen. My money is not on the likelihood, though. IMO the

reasons against it include Obama's reluctance to be in the same decision-making circle as HClinton and her husband. They would give him no voice or serious role, he knows it, he's right, and the job would not appeal to him. He would likely say no. She is unlikely to offer it to him. She'd go with Clark or Bayh, for example.

If Obama is the nominee, and he will be, he competes more persuasively and demographically against McCain if he lures a significant percentage of independents, which he is very likely to do unless he has a 1990s-era establishmentarian veep nom like HClinton running with him, in which case the indies return significantly to McCain and McCain wins the general.

Last, these two remaining Dems are strong-willed souls. Like Kennedy and Johnson, they COULD join for a unity ticket. But the Kennedy-Johnson unity ticket was a marriage of political expedience and in truth, never really worked past the extremely close finish at the polls.

[Zavulon]

36. Sorry, no sale.

If Obama wins this fair and square, he owes Hillary nothing. She can't open her mouth without lying, she voted Bush's war and refuses to admit it's a mistake.

Obama may be able to do some unifying. Hillary on any part of the ticket or Obama's cabinet would be as divisive as it gets.

Christ, I've been voting straight ticket Democrat ever since her husband ran, and even I can't stand Hillary - or even the sight of her.

If Hillary talks enough superdelegates into screwing Obama, my guess is that he's got too much integrity to accept a VP slot.

[Ramonna Villota]

38. Yes

Well said

[Zavulon]

72. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[Ramonna Villota]

73. TY

Thank you

[Jed Dilligan]

42. You mean so that having to go back on attacks on her own VP

will be added to the list of her indefensible positions?

[saltpoint]

44. If Senator Obama is nominated, I could see his team forging a shortlist

of veep noms that might include men or women chosen without regard for their being men or women but because they are felt to be strong public servants in accord with Obama's early years as a neighborhood-builder and men and women with an independent pedigree perhaps, and a keen eye toward the future, meaning both retrieval of lost values under Bush and meaningful reform for later generations of Americans.

If shortlist candidates for Obama's veep are not directly involved with the U.S. military, I think it is likely that they would be people who would inspire trust among voters who feel this is a chief concern. They might make his shortlist on a political teeter-totter between being able to inspire trust in national security-minded voters and representing diplomatic resolution to the Iraq occupation.

I think it would likely be a list of folks who would have either obvious respect of the likely House & Senate Committee chairs or even be culled from among them directly. Our next president faces major legislative challenges and could turn them into historic opportunities with someone who can shove legislation through recalcitrant Committees.

Not least, I think the majority of shortlist names would be someone who reinforces / enhances Obama's appeal to independents, which we must win in significant numbers to defeat McCain, since the smarmy media will try to sustain McCain's "maverick" image. The more independents we draw, the more likely we win the White House, IMO.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. Great Analysis and true

I think it will take until the second term of Obama
that things get really cleaned out and done.

We need to have a majority in the Supreme Court
within 3 years or everything is naught.

[saltpoint]

48. God, yes. The sooner we can put some civilized minds and hearts on that

Court, the better.

Tomorrow by noon would be good for me!

[Ichingcarpenter]

51. The Court is just the playing field decided by the

written laws of the Constitution, which
never said, how many can make up that team.

[saltpoint]

53. Mmm. I'm hoping that the ones now considering stepping down will

wait until Dubya and Pickles have already boarded the Greyhound to Crawford. Or Dallas, I guess. They've picked Dallas for their post-presidential digs.

In 2004 Al Gore, valiantly campaigning for Kerry/Edwards, asked voters to "not let the Supreme Court pick the next president," and to "not let this president (Bush) pick the next Supreme Court."

It was a great line, and a true thing, and we're still there.

Once Obama is nominated, I'm going to push hard as I can to put him in the Oval Office instead of that wacked-out McCain.

[Writer]

54. Bush: "Highland Park, here we come! Woohoo!" n/t

[McCamy Taylor]

46. Unity is the only way.

[mrbluto]

49. Could be risky.

An administration divided between formerly bitter campaign combatants with the basically Republican MSM salivating over a chance to set them against each other?

With the deepest recession in decades going on and whilst withdrawing troops as some "peace with honor" figleaf over a wasteful 3 trillion dollar defeat winds down?

Could be risky.

[Jim Lane]

58. A better unity ticket: Obama-Clark

I expect Obama to win the nomination. One way for him to promote intra-party reconciliation would be to pick a pro-Clinton running mate. That would indicate to the Clinton supporters that no one is trying to purge them from the party.

Of the Clinton supporters, I think Wesley Clark is the one who best complements Obama. Obama-Clark would do better in November than Obama-Clinton.

Picking a Clinton supporter isn't a necessity, though. There are plenty of people, like Bill Richardson, who endorsed Obama but who would make excellent running mates. We can reasonably hope that, regardless of who's on the ticket, most Democrats will get over any disappointment and rally behind the winner. For my part, if Clinton is the nominee, I'll support her with any running mate this side of Charles Manson.

[davidpdx]

60. Jim finally a voice of reason

This is one of the better options in terms of a "unity ticket". Since Clark is a big supporter of Clinton, this should signal to those supporting her to get behind the nominee. We'll see if that actually happens.

[Adelante]

74. Obama-Clark nt

[Apollo11]

80. Wes Clark for Secretary of Defense

Congress can waive the 20-year rule and they already did it once before (for Marshall after WW2).

[judasdisney]

59. McCain/Hillary: The Ultimate Unity Ticket (it's what she wants)

[Hepburn]

61. FUCK NO A MILLION TIMES.

NO HILLARY...NO NEVER...NO WAY.

She is LOSING to him...and where the fuck do you get off thinking that lying POS bitch should get the top spot on the Dem ticket?

GMAFB.......:grr:

[davidpdx]

62. So much for unity...

Here's the money quote if you missed it from the OP:

"Re: Clinton and Obama not "getting along." (How do we know whether they hate each other, by the way?) The venom in these camps starts from the grassroots up. If we're going to take credit for being the strength underpinning these campaigns, then we also must take responsibility for its tenor which, as we can read in this forum, is not that positive. Consider this: their policies and politics are nearly identical. Much of our communication in here colors how we view the relationship between these two candidates. As Carl Bernstein stated on CNN the night of the Pennsylvania primary (as one example): "The only people who are asking Hillary Clinton to leave the race are the Obama supporters."

Translation: The Obama supporters are the problem

So much for the truth.

[Spider Jerusalem]

63. Not going to happen.

There is no way Hillary gets the top spot on any Democratic ticket. She has no argument for that., She hasn't and won't won the most delegates; the superdelegates will not back her. It is amazingly fucking STUPID to think that nominating her for the preidency under such circumstances is a good idea; not to mention that she's unelectable (60+% of respondents, in a third straight national poll, find her untrustworthy...this is NOT a sign of electability).

[shaniqua6392]

65. They are each sharing about half of the Democratic voters.

It makes sense that they should form a unity ticket. I would love it and I don't care which one is on top. It may become necessary to bring in voters and make everyone happy. I know Obama supporters here on DU would not like this idea though because of their hatred of Clinton. They love Obama because they hate Clinton. But out here in the real world, I think this idea would be very welcome in the general public. We need to beat McCain and right now those chances are getting weaker with every passing day.

[aquart]

66. No, thanks. Barry is so very good with that knife in the back.

[bowens43]

68. Not a chance. Hillary is loser.

[hokies4ever]

69. Obama wouldn't be able to sleep at night

worried about Hillary rubbing him off to become President.

[reflection]

103. Please change that to "rubbing him OUT".

I threw up in my mouth a little when I read yours. :)

[hokies4ever]

121. Hehe

Oops! Yeah, I meant 'rubbing him out'. :rofl:

[pnorman]

70. How about a bi-partisan ticket --- McCain & Clinton?

She could then run for President in 2016! That was her ultimate goal anyhow, wasn't it?

pnorman

[greguganus]

75. They could run on the "2 peas in a pod" format. n/t

[flpoljunkie]

76. ...to LOSE!

[LuckyTheDog]

77. Flip that: Obama/Clinton would be better

It'd have a better chance of winning.

[Apollo11]

79. CLINTON OBAMA 2008 - 2012 - 2016 - 2020 .....

I am proud to be your 10th recommend! B-)



:kick:

[ccharles000]

82. I agree.

but if it is Obama/Clinton I will still be happy.

[Tesha]

85. I'm just one data point, but if any Clinton appears on the ticket, my vote goes elsewhere. (NT)

[LWolf]

87. No, thanks.

The only thing worse than one of them would be both of them together.

A compromise ticket that includes neither of them is the BEST ticket, and the one that has the best chance of unifying the party.

[gal]

88. UUUghhh NO

Neither deserve that, neither want that.
Ain't going to happen. No other nominee in history has ever been forced to take the loser onto their ticket.
Besides considering Obama is in first place, his name would be first on the ticket not Clintons.

[NorthCarolina]

90. Real Democrats oppose the DLC and ALL it's members

including Hillary.

[IDemo]

91. Maybe we need a flying pig award here

This one is going to come down with a loud splat after Obama wins the nomination and selects his running mate.

[whatchamacallit]

92. Hillary's experience is a myth, and all her attempts to bolster the myth have been embarrassing lies

Pass

[Avalux]

93. NO. NO. NO. No more Clintons. Period.

The only way the Democratic party will unite and move forward is to rid itself of the death grip imposed by the Clintons. The have never been loyal to the party, only their selfish ambitions, as evidenced in every election since Bill left office and Hillary's employment of GOP tactics against a fellow Democrat.

Obama is the future - he will be the nominee and Hillary will go back to the senate.

After watching Hillary's disastrous campaign, I can't imagine the circus that would be her administration; Obama as VP would be a huge mistake for him. Especially with Bill in the middle with nothing to do.

[rocktivity]

94. Where Hillary goes, the DLC follows

The Dem primary is a civil war between the progressive and DLC-backed wings of the party. Hillary is a DLC officer, and Obama's success is based on the DNC's fifty-state strategy. One wing is trying to kill off the other--that's why a unity ticket would never happen.

:headbang:
rocknation

[karynnj]

95. No - the VP has absolutely no power other than if something happens to the President

This would just do what you wanted anyway - make Clinton President - in spite of the fact that she actually is losing. This sends enormously bad signals in this country - that the powers that be win no matter how much the people chose otherwise. The signals to the world are even worse.

I have a daughter spending 4 months in Sri Lanka on a study abroad program. She tells me that all over the country, she and the other kids have been asked about Obama - there is huge excitement and the feeling that he is a good man. They see him as different. Now, Bush they see as evil, which the kids have heard only as they get to know people. This has been true speaking to people who are Buddhist, Hindi, Christian (because of Portuguese Jesuits) and Moslems. Of the Clintons, they say there has already been one and HRC lies too much. Sri Lanka, per my kid, had the first female PM - and yes, she was the wife of a PM - and they may well see HRC as the same type of phenomena. The thing that amazed my daughter was that even in refugee camps, many people bring up Obama with hope. Hearing this from my daughter made this more real than hearing Senator Kerry speak of the same thing in Africa and Bali where he was in the last half year.

As to the hatred starting here and moving up, I agree that there is hatred generated on the internet and that it can be a problem. The internet allows people to find people who agree nearly 100% with them, which reinforces view points that wouldn't find fertile ground elsewhere. However, There have also been actions by the Clinton camp that have increased my disgust and dislike of them and I assume impacted their relationships with key Democrats.

The fact that they did not soften Carville's comment of Richardson as "Judas" is sick. That they told people that Kerry, a very loyal Democrat, is "dead to them" while Kerry continues to include HRC when he contrasts Obama to McCain, who took the thought to say both edwards and Clinton were qualified to be President and would lead the country in the right direction, and that he would work his heart out for whoever the nominee is despicable. To hear that they harassed Kerry's family, close friends and top aides is appalling. I assume that some lower profile people were treated badly as well. (They also have spread negative stories on Kennedy, even to claiming that he would have lost in 1994 without Hillary campaigning in MA - the National Journal Political almanac does not mention her as a factor and he won by with over 60% of the vote.)

Now I know that there has been a 7 year media effort to create the myth that HRC is super well liked and respected in the Senate and that Kerry is a loner who is not. Well, I've watched committee hearing attended by each of them. Kerry is by far the one who has is praised in hearings. The Senate is prone to praise, but another measure is how often in a hearing others refer back to comments and questions of each. Kennedy is a Democratic leader. I doubt these attacks made HRC any friends. It is telling that all of know that the MA Senators will likely forgive her (Kerry forgave Nixon) - and that the Clintons may not ever forgive them. That says something.

Nothing is ever one sided, but it is also not 50/50. the Clinton machine expected to cut through opposition - and they have been ruthless since it became clear this was not a cake walk.

[susankh4]

96. Been saying this all along.

And now my hopes are renewed that it may happen!

K&R

[Ganja Ninja]

99. Yup. Lets put the black guy in the back seat.

He won't mind even though he's leading in the delegate count.:eyes:

[redqueen]

104. And the voters? Ah they'll all just get in line, as usual.

:sarcasm:

[KoKo]

100. I was in favor of that a month or so ago....but, now I don't think it can work.

Hillary would never accept VP and Obama wouldn't be her "second fiddle" with Bill still in the picture.

They each would probably want their own pick given how angry this campaign has gotten...:shrug:

[Texas Hill Country]

101. i dont disagree.

[redqueen]

102. No.

Never.

[Name removed]

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[yellowcanine]

112. Uh - is that really necessary? Argue the point, do not attack the person.

[cyndensco]

106. I think there are a few things wrong with your, and the so many threads, on this subject

First, I think such a ticket WOULD be offensive to AAs, at least it would be for me. This has been a roller coaster for all of us, Obama and clinton supporters alike, and if the powers that be decided in the 11th hour to give hillary the top of the ticket, it would be one more slight.

Second, I don't think republicans or many independent voters would come out in droves to vote for her. She is disliked by many. While I do know most (?) Americans are looking for a change, hillary does not represent a change (bush/clinton/bush/clinton).

Third, hopefully Obama will get what is needed for nomination and make it a clear win. When that happens, hillary on the ticket would not be helpful to him at all.

Finally, SHE HAS NOT EARNED IT!!!

[totodeinhere]

107. Can't you count? Obama is ahead, not Clinton.

So why should it be Clinton who heads a unity ticket? If she were such a good candidate, then why isn't she ahead? Why put a loser at the top of the ticket?

[book_worm]

108. Why Clinton/Obama? since Obama will have the most delegates shouldn't he be the head of any ticket?

[yellowcanine]

110. Obama will have more delegates so it will be Obama/Clinton if there is to be

a unity ticket. Personally I am not sure that it is that great of an idea. I doubt that Clinton would go for it anyway. My sense is she would rather remain a senator than be VP. And I would not blame her.

[zulchzulu]

113. No. F*cking. Way.

I hate to say it, but the Clintons need to be out of the picture.

[invictus]

115. The Clintons are on their way out politically. They are finished. Bill's reputation is lower than ..

dog shit. The only fans of Hillary these days are Republicans. Obama should not resuscitate these greedy, selfish people. Rather he should drive the final nail into their political coffin.

[KansasVoter]

117. No way

[Lucky 13]

118. I'm getting tired of saying it. NEVER.

Your sleaze bag candidate should go slither back under the rock from whence she came. No one wants her. She should be run out of town on a rail.

[JoFerret]

119. Unbeatable

Unlikely.
(Obama seeks a father, not a mother.)

[Writer]

122. Huh...

yours has to be the most interesting response in this entire thread.

[JoFerret]

123. Translation:

If there WERE to unite as a ticket they would be unbeatable.

However - unlikely to happen because Obama probably would never accept the role. His life has been a search for father figures. Hillary is female.

[Exilednight]

120. Best for what? Losing? n/t

[Sabien]

124. uhm.........NO! n/t

[backscatter712]

126. No. Hillary needs an eight-year timeout.

She needs to go stand in the corner.

Obama does not need that lying, cheating, slandering, warmongering corporate shill. Not under any circumstances. She'd weigh down his campaign like he was dragging an anchor.

[anamnua]

128. No way should Hillary hang this albatross around her neck.

Nobama!

[Lucinda]

129. It's too late.

The party will not force Obama on Hillary after all the Wright coverage. They want to win.