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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:37 AM
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Hillary Endorser NC Gov Easley uses anti-Gay slur in Endorsement Speech
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_080430_hillary_endorser_nc_.htm
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April 30, 2008

By Steven Leser

What should have been an important day and endorsement for Hillary Clinton’s campaign in North Carolina was tarnished by an ugly slur. Yesterday morning (29 April), North Carolina Governor Mike Easley said that "Hillary Clinton makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy." The word pansy is defined by every dictionary entry I could find as a disparaging term for both effeminate and homosexual males.

From Yahoo Education (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/pansy ):
pansy ?? (pnz) KEY ?

NOUN:
pl. pansies
1. Any of various plants of the genera Achimenes or Viola, especially V. tricolor or its hybrids, having flowers with velvety petals of various colors.
2. A deep to strong violet.
3. Offensive Slang
a. Used as a disparaging term for a man or boy who is considered effeminate.
b. Used as a disparaging term for a homosexual man.

From Yourdictionary.com (http://www.yourdictionary.com/pansy )

pansy Definition pansy (pan'ze)

noun pl. -•sies

1/ any of various violets, esp. a popular garden hybrid (Viola tricolor hortensis), with flat, broad, velvety petals in many colors
2. Slang an effeminate man; esp., an effeminate male homosexual: often a contemptuous term

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansy ):
The word "pansy" has indicated an effeminate male since Elizabethan times and its usage as a disparaging term for a man or boy who is effeminate (as well as for an avowedly homosexual man) is still used. (There is a queercore musical band called Pansy Division, drawing on this association.) The word "ponce" (which has now come to mean a pimp) and the adjective "poncey" (effeminate) also derive from "pansy".

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Hillary did not make any mention of Governor Easley’s use of this term in her speech accepting his endorsement. Neither she nor her campaign have addressed this inappropriate slur on the GLBT community since. They know it was an ugly slur because in posting Governor Easley’s endorsement on Hillary’s official site, they cut that part of his endorsement speech out: http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/04/29/140113 . The question is, does Hillary Clinton care that this slur on the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgendered community was done in her name and to further her candidacy? The Presidency of her husband was marked by anti-gay legislation such as DOMA or the Defense of Marriage Act that defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. President Clinton also backed off of his pledge to fully accept gays and lesbians into the armed forces and instead initiated the policy of DADT or Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, a policy which still has the military actively investigating discharging gay and lesbian service people on the basis of their sexual orientation.

Hillary’s delay in responding to Governor Easley’s slur against the GLBT community says a lot about how little regard she has for that community. This language deserves a vigorous response that distances Senator Clinton from those remarks and from the person who said them unless they too apologize and explain their remarks. Slurs against any minority group do not belong in mainstream American politics or anywhere near the campaigns of potential Presidential nominees.


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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:38 AM
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1. Don't you know, that's how they get the blue collar white men to vote for her.
They don't like the black guy either.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:48 AM
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2. this fag
has been called worse - I would never consider pansy an anti-gay slur (I suppose if I was a daffodil I would not want to be called a pansy but.........)

peace
BigScott:eyes:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:54 AM
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3. One of my favorite flowers.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:02 AM
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6. See below regarding every dictionary and encyclopedia reference. (n/t)
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:02 AM
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9. Also see WW2 German references which is where the term comes from
Get a grip!
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:51 PM
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17. Sorry "ignored", cant see you
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 05:59 AM
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4. Pansy is not an anti-gay slur
anymore than "pussy" is an anti vagina slur.


and frankly, I'm just as sick of faux outrage, "foutrage", from the left as I am from foutrage on the right.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:02 AM
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5. Every single dictionary reference out there refutes you. I'm not sure how you can assert that.
Not to mention every single encyclopedia reference.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:01 AM
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8. Language changes. Deal with it.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:03 AM
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10. And when it does, we see that in dictionaries. I have researched over 40 of the top internet diction
aries. All of them say pansy is a derogatory remark about gay or effeminate men.

Next?
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:59 AM
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13. You're being so fucking dishonest that there isn't an :eyeroll: big enough
<p> to cover the sarcasm one has to muster up just to respond to you.
</p>
<p>My first attempt at this with an internet dictionary came up with:
</p>
<p> 
</p>
<p><b><u>a</u> </b><i>usually</i> disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy <u><b>b</b></u> <i>usually</i> disparaging : a male homosexual
</p>
<p> 
</p>
<p>hell, it <i>could</i> be used as a label for a gay person w/o even being disparaging, much like the poster above using "fag" to refer to himself.  
</p>
<p> 
</p>
<p>But in this case, I think it's pretty obvious that the use was meant as a dig at Obama's toughness relative to Hillary's "toughness" (quotes needed).  IOW, he was being shitty, but not towards gay people.
<br />
</p>
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:50 PM
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15. It doesnt matter what vulgar words you use, you are still wrong
every dictionary backs me up and you have nothing backing you up.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:50 PM
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16. It doesnt matter what vulgar words you use, you are still wrong
every dictionary backs me up and you have nothing backing you up.
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:08 AM
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7. Pansy doesn't refer to gays. It refers to a man who is weak and unable/unwilling to fight.
It was originally coined by German soldiers and was directed towards shell shocked soldiers and victims of Panzer assaults (panz-ers and Panz-ees) who inevitably turned tail and ran after the Panzers had their way with them.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:04 AM
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11. I dont think he meant it that way, nor did he know it was offensive to people.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 08:58 AM
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12. Then he and Hillary need to get out there and say that.
I have no problem with an honest explanation.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 09:00 AM
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14. great sig pic there hnmnf
Bruce wrote a great new tribute on BS.net about Danny
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:53 PM
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18. and Hillary grinned like he didn't say it
Yeah, she'd stand up to Rev Wright, but this governor saying something insulting to gays in public, in her presence, while endorsing her? Nah, she has to let that slide.

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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:34 PM
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19. Yes, she would have left Trinity because of a crazy pastor that says stuff that offends no one...
but gays? Screw 'em. Oh, I'm sorry, that was white southern voters. Gays can go to hell as far as Hillary is concerned.
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