We have to seriously consider bringing in GORE or EDWARDS. Obama and Clinton may be fatally flawed.

[chimpymustgo]

People, we have to WIN in November. Obama is TOAST for the general election. Clinton may be as well. Let's unify behind a candidacy we can all be proud to support. We are very likely headed for a brokered convention. It's time to put egos aside and do what is best for our COUNTRY.

I want to make history with this election by turning this fucked up situation around. The Supreme Court. The economy. The CONSTITUTION. This is all at stake.

Al Gore. John Edwards. Perhaps both.

[TwilightGardener]

Al didn't run, nobody voted for Edwards--but somehow they're magically endowed to

excite the nation and win? BWAHHH!!!!

[mattclearing]

23. You are correct.

It also risks totally alienating the black community, which also means no win.

[HereSince1628]

32. There is really no mechanism to do that at this point.

If the convention can't settle on a third ballot then maybe considering someone else will happen.

But you know doing that would make the base of the party crazy. How do you convince Democratic primary voters and caucusers that they should be happy having the party completely ignore them? It's a close thing between Clinton and Obama; to have neither of them as the candidate would leave the Democratic primary process in a shambles.

[PoliticalOne65]

68. third ballot

Why can't they get it on the first ballet. There are only two running. one or the other will have the majority of the votes. If three were running I could see multiple ballots

[rodbailey]

126. It might go to a second or third ballot

if some of the super delegates sit out the first of second ballots. There is no rule that says they have to vote. So, if some sit out the first couple of ballots, then another name can be put into nomination. And, the winner for November would definately be Gore. If he took Obama on as his VP, hopefully that would keep a lot of the spirited young folks who have been drawn into the Party encouraged. And, what great training period for Obama who could then run with executive experience in 4 or 8 years on his own. Just think, 16 years of guaranteed Democrats in the White House. There's a new web site that lays this all out, and how we're trying to achieve this - www.thealgoresolution.com. Check it out.

[Bluebear]

64. 'nobody voted for Edwards' -- WELL! (icily)

:)

[cornermouse]

127. I voted for Edwards even though he had dropped out.

He most closely represented my views.

[LWolf]

130. "Nobody voted for Edwards"

Sure they did; he had some delegates, even from the small fraction of people who actually got to vote before the field was narrowed down to two corporatists.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. I'm beginning to seriously agree with that sentiment.

I don't necessarily like the concept of overriding the vote, but this situation has really become FUBAR.

[Texas Hill Country]

72. i think that Obama is done, Clinton is def damaged, but the darkhorse candidate will never happen

[kerry-is-my-prez]

98. Agree with you. I wish we could put Gore, Edwards or Clark in there though.

n/t

[ecstatic]

2. Edwards...the one time senator, who fcked up every vote

What makes him so qualified? :shrug:

[Radical Activist]

111. He bought off a few liberal bloggers and kissed ass to the rest.

That's his main asset as far as I can tell.

[EffieBlack]

124. The one who couldn't beat EITHER candidate he's supposed to step in to rescue us from?

Riiight.

[leftofcool]

3. I agree that Obama is toast in the GE

I'd go for Edwards but I don't think Gore will work quite as much.

[Avalux]

11. Please explain why you think Obama is toast.

I'd really like to hear your reasons.

[karynnj]

53. Why do you think Edwards will?

He has never faced the frontrunner test, because he was never a front runner - not in 2004 or in 2008. He was never remotely close in 2004 and his entire strategy in 2008 depended on a blow out win in Iowa where he spent a HUGE amount of time. So claiming he has more appeal than the others seems unlikely.

His resume was thin in 2004 and still is - one Senate term. No real national security or foreign policy credentials. Not a particularly good debater in the primaries or in the general election. (On resumes and vote getting ability, it's easier to make the case for Gore or Kerry - or even Gore/Kerry! Kerry blew McCain away on Iraq on a joint This Week appearance last September. BUT, even though Kerry was my first choice and Gore the second - THIS WOULD BE WRONG.)

Obama will be the nominee - he won it.

[woolldog]

78. I think a lot of Edward's supporters....

just think he's cute. And so, they want him to be president.

[karynnj]

93. I give the Edwards' supporters credit for liking his message and

his and Elizabeth's personalities.

I think that they could find - if Obama becomes the nominee - that Edwards' concern on poverty is something that Obama has credibility on - he did work as a community organizer on the South side of Chicago. Another issue is health care, where Edwards' moved from saying Kerry's more inclusive plan was "too expensive" compared to his kid's only plan to universal health insurance with mandates. The thing there is that whether Obama or HRC is President, the plan the Congress will write will be what they can pass. When Kennedy and Kerry say that putting in mandates immediately would make it DOA - I believe them. (This is not a new Kerry position - in 2006 he spoke of mandates and said he would add them if needed by 2012, but would start by working on bringing down costs first - to make it more palatable)

On Foreign policy - we have a major change to transform our position. Now, I heard Kerry and other Obama supporters say this - but I really believe it because I heard the same thing from my college daughter who has been studying in Sri Lanka for the last 3 months. There is enormous excitement there - they see Obama as a good man and they really like him - this is true of Buddhists, Hindi, and the minority Christian and Muslim people they have met. The kids have been amazed how often they are asked about him. HRC - they think she lies too much. They are not all that impressed that she would be the first woman President - they have the distinction of having had the first female PM in the world - and yeah, she was the wife of a PM.

[Radical Activist]

113. Obama has far more credibility than Edwards on poverty issues.

Obama didn't wait until he was safely out of office to start seriously focusing on poverty issues.

[rurallib]

4. Ya think the RW media isn't ready with smears on them also?

Stand upto these bastards! GOOD GRIEF.

[knixphan]

49. THANK. YOU!

[BOSSHOG]

5. If we are going to the bullpen, don't forget Wesley Clark

[chimpymustgo]

7. I won't. Gen. Clark is a good man, and should be in a Dem cabinet - or on the ticket.

Yep - it's time to go to the bullpen.

[Auntie Bush]

85. I'm all for the General.

In case you hadn't noticed.

[countingbluecars]

6. I love Gore and Edwards, but

I still believe Obama will win. I look at the record number of new voters brought into the party. They want change.

[Pab Sungenis]

8. If the Supes deadlock the first ballot and throw it wide open

the eventual nominee would have to be a dark horse, not someone already rejected by the primary voters. Thus Edwards is out.

Maybe Gore, but I don't think he'd take it.

We'd go at least 20 ballots before a likely compromise candidate emerged.

[chimpymustgo]

12. Oh, Gore would take it. And he deserves it. And the man is a visionary and problem-solver.

I have complete faith that he could fix this mess we're in.

[cali]

26. LOL!

I find people who put others on pedestals a riot. Particularly if they're given to calling others cultists. Al Gore is a politician. He's got both good attributes and not so good ones. He's not a knight in shining armor. And this isn't some fuzzy little feel good world.

[redqueen]

55. I expect that he'll be painted as two-faced.

If he were to step in, the media would drag up every past DLC position and anti-environmental blemish on his record and make sure that anyone who didn't already trust him most likely wouldn't.

I also expect that he knows this, and would rather not go there.

[cyndensco]

70. Al Gore DESERVES it?

How do you figure? I like Gore, voted for him in 2000, but he has for whatever reasons chosen to sit this one out. How can you justify pulling the rug from under 2 candidates who have been running for the past year?

No one voted for Gore in the primaries because he was not on the ticket. Why on earth do you think he is deserving of the nomination? I don't get it.

Talking about disenfranchising voters.....

[GoesTo11]

81. Not about DESERVES

This isn't about rewarding one individual for hard work. It's not like boss at bonus time. I don't care whether the candidates themselves are happy or sad or whatever. I care what happens to the country. This is about picking the person from our party who has the best chance of winning and will do the best job as president.

[cyndensco]

84. I too care about what happens to the country.

This is not the way to go in my mind. You do not change the rules in midstream because some of you think there is a better candidate out there somewhere. If you or the powers that be felt there was someone better than what we are left with, perhaps you (or the PTB) should have actively recruited them before the process started. If they really were best for the country, or the democratic party, and chose not to heed the requests of their supporters, well, too bad. It is too late.

If we disregard the voices of the people THIS time, we might as well totally do away with the primary system, and put in people who unsuccessfully ran before. Sounds like a winning ticket to me. :sarcasm:

[GoesTo11]

87. No argument here

What you're saying is why the party should be so reluctant to overturn the will of the voters. If people feel their votes were being ignored, that's bad in and of itself and it's bad for the GE. I think unless there was some horrible shock, as you say, the cost of overturning the voters would outweigh any potential benefit of having some new "perfect" candidate.

What I don't like is when people vote based on wanting to do a favor for one candidate or punish another candidate. Many pPeople voted for Bush over Gore, and Bush over Kerry, because they wanted to see the smart guy brought down a peg. By the same token, people might want to vote for McCain to reward him for all his suffering as a POW.

My point is that this idea of caring how happy or unhappy the candidates personally feel is no way to pick a president. It's fine for reality TV.

[MNDemNY]

20. He'd take it.

[bowens43]

9. Don't be ridiculous.

You want to completely ignore the will of the people?

Edwards couldn't beat Obama or Hillary and Gore couldn't beat the stupidest man ever to run for the office. How you would see these two as our saviors is beyond me. Obama will beat McCain, no doubt about it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

44. How you see Obama as our "savior" is beyond me. And Edwards was marginalized and ignored before and

especially after he BEAT Hillary. And Gore did win in 2000.

I don't think Obama will beat McCain.

Edwards, before TPTB decided he was too much of a threat, polled nationally to beat ANY republican nominee.

[cali]

61. The myth Edwardians use to comfort themselves.

I for one, certainly do NOT see Obama as a savior, thank you very much. And Edwards freakin' lost in the retail politics state of Iowa, where he'd been campaigning for 3 years. Sorry, that can't be entirely or even mostly placed at the feet of the MSM. And quoting polls a year out,is just pathetic. Edwards is a two time primary loser. That is a fact. Deal. Without all the lame excuses. And he didn't even stay in and fight.

[Tyler Durden]

62. You mean the will of 50% of the Democrats allowed to express an opinion in the primary?

Don't you?

As to "Obama will beat McCain, no doubt about it.", I don't want to cast aspersions, but if you have a crystal ball I could use the lottery numbers.

[cali]

10. Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

installing a nominee by party insiders over the heads of millions of voters is a sure recipe for disaster unless both Obama and Clinton go along with it enthusiastically. And anyone who thinks they will, is seriously in need of help.

It's patently absurd to state in absolutes that Obama is doomed in the general, and it's mighty stupid to presume that you know what will happen 6 months from now.

Edwards is a loser. Sorry, but it's true. He's won 1 state in two presidential campaigns, and he dropped out after promising to stay in no matter what. He couldn't even win the retail state of Iowa, so don't bother with the mean MSM whining.

Al Gore didn't run. Got that? He hasn't received a single fucking vote. And he was a piss poor campaigner in 2000. What makes anyone think he could win in 2008?

Anyone who emerges as the nominee from a contentious brokered convention is a dead political duck walking. Please learn some history.

They try and do this, and I'm in Denver marching. Think I'll be alone? Think again. And no way will I vote for Al Gore or John Edwards or anyone else installed in such a way.

[chimpymustgo]

14. Wow. Let's stick with dead duck Obama and go down in HISTORIC flames in November.

Obama and Clinton would have to be a part of the deal - and support it enthusiastically. Which they should do if they care more for the country than they do for themselves.

[cali]

21. oh baloney

they're both smart enough to know that your solution does NOT offer a prescription for winning. And sorry, why should they bow out for flawed Johny Edwards or Al Gore, who should have won in a breeze in 2000? And your opinion isn't worth anymore than anyone else's dearie.
I believe either Obama or Clinton can win in the general as long as this is wrapped up by the middle of June.

[AllentownJake]

22. Taking the nomination

Away from the first woman or black man to get it and giving it to a White Southern Male....Real Smart.

[redqueen]

56. No kidding.

That's a good way to send this party the way of the Whigs.

[whatchamacallit]

15. Thanks for bringing a little reality to this surreal thread

:thumbsup:

[frickaline]

13. every candidate is fatally flawed, they are human. the RW will always find a fault and exploit it

...or just invent one.

[gal]

16. How about we do the democratic thing..

and have the person elected run?

[cali]

30. Democracy? Crazed Gorophiles and EdHeads don't need no stinking

democracy. Poor deluded things.

[Jennicut]

47. Actually I am a "Gorophile" but Gore would be the last person who would throw democracy away

I support Obama as Gore decided not to run.

[Texas Hill Country]

76. that and Gore doesnt want the job i dont think... why would he?

he has more power now with the party, more freedom to do what he loves, and more money


wtf?

[Doityourself]

95. Yeah imagine that!!!!

:thumbsup:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

17. Yes, and when we're done doing that...

...we can go dredge up Michael Dukakis to be VP. That ticket can't lose!

[TwilightGardener]

25. LOL!

[AllentownJake]

18. Nope

Gore and Edwards are flawed too. Gore won in 2000 barely and Edwards can't win in the primaries. The enviromental stuff would be used against Gore and he'd be called an extremist and Edwards would be hit with all the Trial Lawyer stuff. I don't see how taking the nomination from a woman or black man than handing it to a white southerner is going to motivate the base.

All candidates are flawed. Bill Clinton was flawed big time he won twice. Its how you handle your flaws and how you fight back.

[MNDemNY]

19. Gore/Edwards !!!!

Now, that's the ticket!

[chascarrillo]

39. Yeah! Fuck democracy

[cliffordu]

59. That's right!! We don't need no stinkin' democracy!!

[Carni]

24. I wish!

This party is currently DESTROYED and I blame the obnoxious attitudes of the more militant Obama supporters...again this AM I was reading from them how they do not need my vote. I wish them luck in November with that attitude.

[chimpymustgo]

29. Well, they're not going to need your vote. Dems would be CRAZY to give Obama the nomination.

It's just not going to happen.

[cali]

36. Actually, it's quite likely to happen. duh.

SDs will not give it to Clinton unless Obama implodes in the remaining contests.

[rodbailey]

128. But,

with a little encouragement, especially if they thought their position (especially the House members who will all be on the ballot in November) was vulnerable, might want to go with a winner in November. It's looking more and more doubtful that that will be either Obama or Clinton. So, in their wisdom, and in accord with the rules established by the DNC (and it may not be democratic, but it is the rule) they nominate on the 2nd or 3rd ballot a compromise candidate - Al Gore. To see how we're trying to provide this encouragement, check out www.thealgoresolution.com. It's not rocket science.

[Roxy66]

27. Obama is far from toast in the General...Get a grip!!

[GodlessBiker]

28. How do you "make history" with Gore or Edwards? Obama or Clinton make history.

[dionysus]

31. ROFL

[GoldieAZ49]

33. Edwards

he is known nationally and has a few delegates

I like Biden but can he go national fast enough and have the support of the base?

[karynnj]

57. At this point Edwards' "base" is likely no bigger than Biden's

Obama will get the nomination - he earned it because he won more often than anyone else - HRC is the only one close.

Edwards in fact got a lift because the media determined that three was a magic number. His coverage imploded after he lost Iowa. This made sense as his chance which was pushed by part of the media in December 2007 were that he would win Iowa big enough that even the likely mediocre NH showing would not cut the momentum into victories in SC and NV. (There were many DU threads in 2006 that the early placement of NV (huge unions) and SC, where he was born and the only state he won in 2004 were great for Edwards.) The key was that, as it did for Kerry in 2004, a big Iowa win would bring in contributions and momentum. When that didn't happen and he did as expected in NH, there was no push in NV where he got 4%.

With Biden you could argue a great resume. Edwards you can't.

[stray cat]

34. Both of those candidates may be flawed as well and it will come out in the GE

[Apollo11]

35. Let's not ignore the 30 million citizens who already voted for Hillary or Obama.

I greatly admire Al Gore. But let's not go crazy here.

We have 2 strong candidates. Both with enthusiastic supporters.

My solution would be a CLINTON-OBAMA ticket in 2008 and 2012.

Then OBAMA for President in 2016 and 2020. B-)

[karynnj]

58. It would be wrong to put Clinton first when he got more delegates

Think why you would likely be doing it - VP is beneath the wife of Bill Clinton? How third world!

[Apollo11]

69. It is common sense to put the eldest one at the top of the ticket

The younger one can run for President in 2016. That way we will be covered for the next 16 years. Thru January 2025! B-)

For me it's about age not race or anything like that. Certainly not who is a husband and who is a wife.

[karynnj]

71. JFK/LBJ

The fact is that we are not guaranteed 16 years - just 4. The fact is that against great odds, Obama has likely beaten the Clinton machine - to give it back to her is crazy.

[onenote]

115. Common sense? According to what standard?

FDR/Garner
FDR/Truman
JFK/LBJ
McGovern/Shriver
Dukakis/Bentsen
Bush/Cheney
Gore/Lieberman

Some won, some lost. Some were good, some were bad. You can say the same thing about tickets where the top of the ticket was older. Was Bush/Quayle something to aspire to? Reagan/Bush? etc etc.

[Auntie Bush]

88. Clinton is the senior of the two and the one with the most experience in world affairs.

Plus, she has Bill to give her a hand and that's experience! lol

Obama definitely needs more experience and 8 years of VP and Washington is just what will make him the perfect winning candidate in the 2016 election.

[karynnj]

89. That is the choice that people have - and more are saying that they want something different

HRC does not have more experience in elected office - and we want a change from the foreign policy of the last century and this.

[Auntie Bush]

91. Seems I remember we had a pretty peaceful foreign policy when Bill Clinton

was president. Also don't you realize there is much more to experience than elected office. Experience meeting, talking, entertaining and smoothing is important and gives her an advantage. Are for forgetting Bill Clinton knows all these heads of state and he comes along with Hillary? Can you deny that gives her a heads up? You guys only want to remember and discuss Bill's negatives and and forget his positives. Hard to believe fellow Democrats are so disloyal to our only Democratic president.

[karynnj]

106. I do not see Clinton as much a plus as you do - I would prefer someone

who would be more likely to listen to Kennedy and Kerry. Bill is not our only Democratic President and I was very loyal and defended him when he was President when he was in the wrong. He got a huge amount from us and has repaid the party poorly.

[reflection]

37. It's going to be Obama or Clinton

Neither one of them is going to have an epiphany and just step aside after so much work has been done by them and on their behalf. Obama or Clinton - better run the right one and run him/her properly once all this primary crap is behind us.

(edited for bad grammar)

[splat]

38. Dems have black and woman destroy each other, fresh white man is nominee? Helluva tale...

Are you nuts?

[chimpymustgo]

40. No, are you? Dammit, I want to win in November! Al Gore is not just a "fresh white man".

He's already been elected.

[Jennicut]

46. I love Al Gore and he would have been my candidate but I like Obama as well and he is not toast

Please do not fall into the media trap of listening to non issues. Al Gore was raked over the coals by a press who hated him for whatever reason. This is part of the reason he considers modern politics as "posion". I doubt he will ever be in politics again. John Kerry was torn down by swiftboating. Obama is tough and seems to have weathered the storm so far with Rev. Wright but it also seems that people are smarter about these kind of attacks. Lapel pins, bitter comments, etc. are distractions to drive you away from not concentrating on the real issues like the war, healthcare, economy. The media does not want to talk about it because they were so compliant with the war. Hardly any real questions asked. I like Obama, I think he can become president And Al would be the last person who would not want pledged delegate to count. John Edwards never won a primary state and has no legitimate place in the race accept as part of a future administration. and as a superdelegate.

[splat]

50. "Fresh" means unbloodied by this contest

[Dawgs]

41. You can't seriously believe that the MSM won't attack Gore and Edwards with the same faux outrage.

Please stop with this nonsense.

[TheZug]

42. Wacky preacher = fatally flawed now? Then there's no hope for anyone.

[zulchzulu]

43. This is just laughable nonsense

Last I checked, Edwards lost. Badly.

Gore doesn't want to run for President again.

Obama is not toast...Hillary is. Obama will win with the millions that support him and many more that will join in. You can help put or simply get out of the way. We will have Obama as our next President with or without you.

:hi:

[Orsino]

45. Great. A *four*-way split.

That'll show those McCain-nominating Republicans.

[stillcool]

48. What happened to...

'let the voters decide'? I can't imagine why there was an unprecedented turn-out in state after state in this Primary season. A funny thing happened on the way to the nomination.

[chimpymustgo]

51. Yeah. A deadlocked convention.

[stillcool]

54. And why is that scary?

Corporate Control of the Democratic Party is almost complete. Why prolong the inevitable? I think it would be much better to see it for what it is, than to try and cover it up.

[Medusa]

52. GIVE IT UP. Gore doesn't want it, no one wants Edwards

(the primaries proved that and he's already been a losing candidate once). These fairy tale dreams some of you weave have got to stop. It ain't happening people! What will it take to convince you of that? Or will you still be whining after the convention?

[Seabiscuit]

60. The American people had their chance. They don't deserve people like Edwards.

This country went down the drain when it elected Ronald Reagan. Things are a lot worse now.

[cali]

67. oh, petunias

John Edwards fucking voted for the IWR- con gusto. He co-sponsored an IWR resolution with Lieberman. He supported the fucking war for 3 full years. He voted for such crap as Yucca Mountain. He was an undistinguished and underwhelming Senator. You want to put him on a pedestal, feel free, but I'm glad he won't be the nominee. We deserve better than John Edwards- oh, and he's a quitter, not a fighter.

[totodeinhere]

63. It's ridiculous to say that Obama is "toast."

Look at all of the recent polls. At the very least they show a competitive race between McCain and Obama, whether it's nationally or on a state by state basis. And remember that it's still six months before the election. That's a virtual eternity in politics. Any number of things can happen between now and then which will affect the election. It is absolutely impossible to be able to predict at this point that Obama is toast in the general.

Look at it this way. Envision next November with gas at $5-$6 a gallon, the economy in the tank, and no end in site for the quagmire in Iraq. Who is favored under those conditions? It's Obama in a landslide.

[ladjf]

65. I don't know exactly why, but, we have not ended up with the best

two choices. We are stuck with what we have. Neither is a cinch to beat McCain, a total has been joke of a candidate. If there is any way we could have further screwed up our chances for a win, I can't think of it.

[bigwillq]

66. Gore/Obama

I could really go for that! :bounce:

[Cha]

73. And you've done as fucking much as you

can to make Obama "seem" flawed. You are one of the worst supporters for Edwards on the Planet..chimpymustgo.

[chimpymustgo]

80. Oh please. Just because I see Obama for what he is. How does that make me one of

worst supporters of Edwards on the Planet???

:rofl:

[Cha]

83. I think you're jealous and

it's pathetic:nopity: :nopity: Get a life.

[chimpymustgo]

90. Now that's just crazy talk. What would I be jealous of?

Lord, it is the silly season.

[cali]

94. You really don't know the difference between fact and opinion and

that indicates you can't differentiate between reality and fantasy.

You see Obama how YOU perceive him. That doen't mean you see him for what he is.

But I give you props for your undying love for Johny Edwards.

[sandnsea]

116. I just realized the agenda

I couldn't figure out why these Edwards supporters continued to bash Obama. Now I get it, they really think that if they destroy him, Edwards will be able to waltz in and take the nomination.

:rofl:

[ampad]

74. LOL

My crystal ball and this post tells me that Hillary is tanking.

[BenDavid]

75. Your assumption is totally wrong. Only obama is the fatally flawed

candidate. Folks in polls from last year to this year had already formed their opinion about HRC, and unlike obama HRC can reverse the unflavorables and obama as polls are showing is going down and there is only the bottom which will stop him.

I would rather have HRC and this begs the question.If our choices are doing the right thing and losing with Obama because fair is fair OR doing the wrong thing and winning with fewer-delegates Hillary, what should super-delegates do?

[Perry Logan]

77. This shows why one shouldn't hang around progressives all the time.

I don't know why, but liberals seem to love to predict their own defeat. If you find yourself getting down in the mouth, try hanging around with different people for a while.

[butterfly77]

79. WRONG...

If they do I won't support it...GO BAMA!

[JackORoses]

82. Nice try. It's curtains for Hillary, and you just can't handle it.

President Obama forgives your lack of vision.

[Freedom Train]

86. I wholeheartedly support this!! Gore AND Edwards!

But I wonder how realistic it really is... If it gets to third ballot though, we should also consider Clark as a compromise candidate. McCain would get his ass handed to him by Clark!

[elle1sf]

92. BOTH BOTH BOTH!!!!

That would be my dream!! I know, I know two white males ... but wow what amazing white males they are and what a great administration that would be!!!

[cali]

96. ack. Edwards had a most uninspiring Senate career

he voted enthusiastically for the war and supported it for three years. I have zero faith in his judgment. And little things like going to work for a hedge fund to "learn about poverty". No thanks. And Gore was a lousy campaigner.

Thank goodness this won't happen.

[newmajority]

97. Is this the new desperate Hillbot talking point of the week?

The "unity thread" scam didn't go over too well, so now it's been reframed as "well if Hillary doesn't get the Presidency that she "earned" by being married to Bill, then by God (and by that, I mean the DLC's god, :evilgrin: )Obama doesn't get to be President either!

I would have been absolutely fine with a Gore/Edwards ticket, had it been the natural result of the primary season. But Gore sat the whole thing out, and Edwards dropped out, as he should have, and as Hillary should have, when he saw that he had no path to the nomination.

We have a nominee, and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. His VP will be one of his own choosing. And he will be President of the United States of America on January 20, 2009.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

99. How is saying not to have Clinton in there is supporting Clinton??

I'd say it's pretty much a pro-realistic talking point. A lot of people who supported Edwards or other candidates feel that way.

[newmajority]

125. Yeah, well I felt that Howard Dean would have kicked Chimpy's ass into last Tuesday

And so did a lot of other people, but that doesn't mean we got to take Kerry's weak ass out of the primary, even after he let those Shit Boat assholes walk all over him.

If there was ever a primary that needed a candidate substitution, THAT was the one. Obama has beaten the 'Pukes, the DLC, and the media whores. He will (as Hillary likes to say) obliterate Grandpa McLoon in November.

[Phx_Dem]

100. So, after everyone votes

for the candidate of their choice, the DNC substitutes the voter's choice with someone who wasn't even on the ballot? How is that democratic?

I'm a huge supporter of Al Gore, but he chose not to run. John Edwards did run, but had to "suspend" his campaign because he received so few votes. And now we should hand one of them the nomination? I don't think so. But nice try.

(posted by Mrs. Phx_Dem)

[LSK]

101. CAN WE STOP IT WITH THIS STUPID SHIT???

We have party rules and a specific way a nominee is chosen. Edwards and Gore are OUT.

FUCKING ACCEPT IT ALREADY. MOVE ON.

:banghead:

[Career Prole]

102. Yes!! Bring in Edwards or Gore! And next time if Edwards

drops out instead of moving on to my next preferred candidate I'll piss and moan all the livelong day and do my level best to sabotage the campaigns of the remaining candidates, since from what I've seen here on DU lately that's logical and acceptable behavior.

*gasp* That's right...for a lot of DUers neither Clinton NOR Obama was preferred.

:wow:

Wow. Imagine that!

[nichomachus]

103. There is no way the corporatocracy

is going to allow Edwards within 100 feet of the White House. Guaranteed. This is a guy who sued corporations, for crying out loud, and who won. They will never forgive that -- ever.

The country is run by corporations. Political parties are just things the corporations allow to let us think we have some control.

[cali]

104. LOL! In the Senate Johny happily went along with the corporatists

he talked a good game, and that's it. He wasn't fucking 25 when he was in the Senate. He voted gung ho for the war, sponsored and IWR with Joe lieberman and supported the bloody mess for a full 3 years. Why on earth would someone like me who opposed that war with every fiber of her being, trust him?

Oh, and I loved his ferocious opposition to corporations as evidenced in his going to work for a hedge fund to, as he said, learn about poverty. And hey, how about his sticking by his pledge to stay in until the convention?

Oh, and anyone with a brain realizes that his chief motivation to sue corporations was to make himself a pile of money.

[nichomachus]

105. So, then there's no one who isn't a tool of the corporations -- why bother voting?

[cali]

107. because nothing's that simple and it's not that cut and dried.

[nichomachus]

109. Yes it is

The corporations run our government. That's cut and dried.

[cali]

112. fine. in your world everything is black or white.

Corporate influence and control is a huge problem, but again it's not that simple. Do you think that everyone in Congress is under the complete control of the corporations?

[nichomachus]

118. No, but black and white things are

I think enough members of congress are under corporate control to get the results the corporations want. They don't need everyone.

If it were not the case, we would have single-payer national health care by now, we would not have a Supreme Court packed with corporate lobbyists, important health data would not be covered up for fear of offending corporate profits, we would have much higher mileage standards for motor vehicles, and we would have moved much more quickly toward alternative fuels.

If you don't believe that the corporations control everything that is done by Congress, you are living in a fantasy world. I used to work closely with several regulatory agencies and I got to see it first hand. Most people have no idea how powerful corporations are. I saw an EPA program, three years in the making, destroyed overnight (literally) because the US Chamber of Commerce (more dangerous than Al Qaeda for the average American) made one phone call to one congressman who was able to get the program scrubbed.

[Indenturedebtor]

114. Well there's Obama for one

Who's campaign is built on individual donors like me ;)

This is just silly "Fatally flawed" my ass. The pukes will have a pitiful turnout in the fall, and Obama will be the next president. Anyone that we threw up to the national stage would have gone through this crap on one issue or another.

And for all you HRC people agreeing with the silly OP - the country doesn't trust Hillary because she's a traingulating unethical liar. Her only chance would have been this year if she could have kept from fumbling her campaign because people REALLY want a dem in the WH.

[nichomachus]

120. Hillary probably had a chance for November

if she had swept it on Super Tuesday. When she didn't -- and had no Plan B -- she had to go seriously negative, she fumbled and stumbled, she had to play the race card, and she had to crawl on her knees to kiss the feet of everyone at Fox News.

If she manages to snatch the nomination through these tactics, she will probably go down in flames in November, if not before. The boys at Fox News will thank her for groveling and upping their ratings and then kick her in the butt. If, by some fluke, she wins in November, her one-term presidency will be a disaster. If she does manage to pull her presidency out of the dumper, it will only be by lurching so far to the right, we'll be longing for the progressive days of Ronald Ray-gun.

[Radical Activist]

108. I'm very proud of Obama. Gore and Edwards have their own flaws.

[depakid]

110. Let's hope the superdelegates remember their responsibility

and consider deadlocking the convention rather than nominating a sure loser....

[Moochy]

117. Is this Idiocracy Underground?

Did I click on the wrong link?

[Hamlette]

119. And you don't think they'd do the same thing to Gore or Edwards?

What planet are you on?

Kerry's strength was his service, Swiftboated.

Obama's strength is his personal story, Wright.

Gore is a stand up, honest guy, swiftboated as a liar.

Edwards spent his career as a lawyer helping the little guy, swiftboated as a dishonest ambulance chasing lawyer.

And there would be worse, much worse, to come.

If you can't stand up for your guy/woman now, you'll be in the same place 3 months from now.

Wright should NOT be an issue. The man told Obama there was a god in heaven. The most unbelievable bullshit there is in this world. But that's not the problem. The problem is he's black.

Pure and simple.

It was a lynching. Fight it or you end up with McCain.

Obama isn't flawed. HIS FUCKING PREACHER WAS FLAWED. How is that worse than sniper fire or 100 years?

[crimsonblue]

121. Yay. the Edwards concern trolls are back!

:woohoo:

[EffieBlack]

122. Better not risk the white girl or the colored man - better bring in a REAL AMERICAN to save us all!

Give me a break.

[JoFerret]

123. Obama has for certain

.

[LWolf]

129. I'm with you on that one. K & R nt