Hey Hill supporters why don't you have a problem with this

[gabeana]

Why do you support a candidate that is a member of a church, the Fellowship, that has ties to a fascist past and has members like the head of operation rescue. Believes only the wealthy and elite should lead, after all you are liberals and progressives. A book on "The Family" is coming out May 20th. I can't wait to read it, I'm sure that goes for you too?

I posted this earlier

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

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Jones, though, describes his theology as neoorthodox, guided by the belief that social change should come about slowly and without radical action. It emerged, he says, as a third way, a reaction against both separatist fundamentalism and the New Deal's labor-based liberalism.

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When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

snip//

These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.
Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

I think Obama's church is more patriotic than Hillary's, what do you say?
Coach

[still_one]

1. Clinton's vote on the IWR showed me where she is coming from

The 20 plus Democrats and 1 republican knew that over-riding the War Powers Act with the IWR was wrong.

The excuse given by those who voted for the IWR, that they were misled by bush is so full of shit it makes your head swim. The War Powers Act forced congressional oversight, while the IWR took that oversight away.

To those that enabled this administration, how does it feel to have contributed to the death and destruction caused in Iraq? How does it feel because of that vote on the IWR, to have contributed to the high energy and food prices?

Why should someone be rewarded for that vote? This is was NOT a minor vote, it over-rode the War Powers Act

[roguevalley]

16. How about this?

www.americablog.com

Who's behind the mysterious "robo-calls" that have spread misleading voter information and sown confusion and frustration among North Carolina residents over the last week?

Facing South has confirmed the source of the calls, and the mastermind is Women's Voices Women Vote, a D.C.-based nonprofit which aims to boost voting among "unmarried women voters."

What's more, Facing South has learned that the firestorm Women's Voices has ignited in North Carolina isn't the group's first brush with controversy. Women's Voices' questionable tactics have spawned thousands of voter complaints in at least 11 states and brought harsh condemnation from some election officials for their secrecy, misleading nature and likely violations of election law.
This is, to put it simply, stunning. I have to include a major segment of the post from Facing South to give context to this story:
In correspondence with North Carolina election officials, Women's Voices founder and President Page Gardner merely said that the disruptive timing was an "unfortunate coincidence" -- a strange alibi for a group with their level of resources and sophistication.

There are other questions about Women's Voices' outreach efforts. Although the group purports to be targeting "unmarried women," their calls and mailings don't fit the profile. Kevin Farmer in Durham, who first recorded the call, is a white male. Many of the recipients are African-American; Rev. Nelson Johnson, who is a married, male and African-American, reported that his house was called four times by the mysterious "Lamont Williams."

And as Farmer asks, "Why are they using a guy for the calls if the target audience is single women?"

Some have also questioned the ties between Women's Voices operatives and Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton. Gardner, for example, contributed $2,500 to Clinton's HILLPAC on May 4, 2006, and in March 2005 she donated a total of $4,200 to Clinton, according to The Center for Responsive Politics' OpenSecrets.org. She has not contributed to the Obama campaign, according to the database.

Women's Voices Executive Director Joe Goode worked for Bill Clinton's election campaign in 1992 as a pollster; the group's website says he was intimately involved in "development and implementation of all polling and focus groups done for the presidential primary and general election campaigns" for Clinton.

Women's Voices board member John Podesta, former Chief of Staff for President Bill Clinton, donated $2,300 to Hillary Clinton on April 19, 2007, according to OpenSecrets.org. Podesta also donated $1,000 to Barack Obama in July 2004, but that was well before Obama announced his candidacy for president.

"The reports from other states are very disturbing, especially the pattern of mass confusion among targeted voters on the eve of a state's primary," Democracy North Carolina's Bob Hall tells Facing South. "These are highly skilled political operatives -- something doesn't add up. Maybe it's all well-intended and explainable. At this moment, our first priority is to stop the robo-calls and prevent the chaos and potential disenfranchisement caused by this group sending 276,000 packets of registration forms into North Carolina a few days before a heated primary election. We need their immediate cooperation."

While Hall says his group has "begged" the group to stop the mailings, Women's Voices has refused to do so -- even though the mail-in voter registration deadline for the primaries passed April 11.

State election officials say they are bracing for the deluge of confused phone calls and complaints that are sure to follow.

[Mr. McD]

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[gabeana]

3. thanks for the heads up

link should be working now

[gabeana]

4. I'm still waiting for your response of Hills church

[gabeana]

5. Just got back from teaching two courses

thought there would be some replies from the liberal/progressive Hill supporters to find out if you condone this relationship with this organization

I'm still waiting, you silence though does speak volumes

[Perry Logan]

6. Hillary defender here: 1) most accusations against Hillary are false, and 2) her record is excellent

Those are the main reasons I'm not concerned.

If you pay attention, you see that people like to make up stuff about Hillary, and then turn around and believe it--an activity analogous to eating one's own feces.

Given the feckless behavior of her critics, it's simply illogical to believe anything bad about the Clintons.

I would also point out that--if Hillary were a tenth as horrible as her enemies make out--she would have no support from anyone at this point. Instead, she holds her own against Obama, despite a profoundly Clintophobic media.

[gabeana]

8. so this is all made up?

you either forgot to put up the sarcasm sign or you are a delusional, that any criticism of hill is automatically a lie

I'm taking it as sarcasm
good one:sarcasm:

[TheWraith]

17. Please, for the love of God tell me you're being sarcastic.

"2) her record is excellent"

Okay: She voted for, and vocally supported, the Iraq War. Kept doing it right up until it became unpopular. She voted in favor of Kyl-Lieberman. She voted against banning the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. Voted against banning the production and use of land mines. Her chief strategist is the head of PR for Blackwater. NAFTA, Don't Ask Don't Tell, DOMA, etcetera...

What part of that record is "excellent?" I know you're talking about the bulk of votes, but it takes a hell of a stretch to ignore the threat of nuclear war against another country in order to discuss grain subsidies and stem cell research.

"Given the feckless behavior of her critics, it's simply illogical to believe anything bad about the Clintons."

This statement, if serious, is one of the greatest assertions of cognitive dissonance I've ever witnessed.

"I would also point out that--if Hillary were a tenth as horrible as her enemies make out--she would have no support from anyone at this point. Instead, she holds her own against Obama, despite a profoundly Clintophobic media."

Uh, no. The media's been propping her up since Super Tuesday, treating the race like it were still competitive, when it's not in the least.

While I would tentatively agree that she's not as bad as some people describe, that's a very tentative conclusion, since she's been proving herself worse and worse by the day. I myself started this primary season neutral on her, neither liking nor disliking her, and have developed a powerful loathing over her continual sprint to the right and use of the most disgusting tactics.

If it weren't for Democratic loyalty to the Clinton name, and playing to white conservative Dems, I don't think she WOULD have any supporters anymore beyond her ultra-partisans.

[roguevalley]

22. because you brush off the truth, fact based information about your

girl, you shoot your candidate down. This is delusional for you to deny what is proven. Too bad.

[Apollo11]

7. Hillary has infiltrated a right-leaning prayer group

Her aim is to change Washington from the inside so she can deliver her progressive political agenda.

Good for Hillary! B-)

[gabeana]

9. Hey at least you responded

no matter how asinine it was, its a start

[Cheap_Trick]

13. Was that before or after dodging sniper fire?

If your delusional post WAS true, then you just blew her cover, genius.

[roguevalley]

23. Joke, right? Perhaps her Tuzla combat will help her with her infiltration.

[quantass]

10. Because the nomination was to be hers and Obama didn't wait his turn

Whaaaaa Whaaaa!

[Yossariant]

15. Obama goes to the same Fellowship meetings.

:rofl:

'Cause he doesn't want to wait his turn. He's entitled.

:rofl:

[yodermon]

18. "Obama goes to the same Fellowship meetings."

Didn't know that.
Or were kidding?
Watching you roll around on the floor like that kinda made me dizzy.

[Cheap_Trick]

11. For all the women who think Hillary will fight for their reproductive rights..

"With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics."

Spin that one, lamebrains.

[quantass]

12. Because the nomination was to be hers and Obama didn't wait his turn

So any of her obvious and critical problems will always be overlooked. Sure she doesn't care about the people when you look at her record but who cares.

Whaaaaa Whaaaa!

[roguevalley]

24. only repugs 'wait their turns'. Explains a lot of the Hillary supporters.

[ClassWarrior]

14. The most noxious RWers in DC belong to this group.

Inhofe, Sanctimonium... ~shudder~

NGU.

[jconner27]

19. What does the cult followers of Obama has to say about this

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/30/obama-to-donate-contribution-from-rezkos-iraqi-friend/#more-2348

Obama To Donate Contribution From Rezko’s Iraqi Friend
By Uppity WomancloseAuthor: Uppity Woman Name: Uppity Woman
Email: [e-mail]
Site:
About: See Authors Posts (25) on April 30, 2008 at 1:09 PM in Alsammarae, Barack Obama, Chicago politics, Iraq, Tony Rezko

Aiham Alsammarae is a dual U.S.-Iraqi citizen, and Iraq’s former “Electicity Minister”. He posted more than $2.7 million in property to help spring Tony Rezko from jail. How’s that for friendship??

He also donated $2300 to Barack Obama’s Presidential campaign. Barack Obama will be donating Mr. Alsammarae’s contribution to charity now. Seems fair, right?

Alsammarae — a friend of Rezko’s since their days as classmates at the Illinois Institute of Technology — once was accused of corruption in Iraq, but he broke out of a Baghdad jail, returned to the U.S. and has since said the charges against him have been vacated.

Being the Obama-Skeptic that I am, you just know I had to find out more about who Aiham Alsammarae is besides Iraq’s former Electricity Minister who was charged with corruption in Iraq, escaped from jail, bailedout his smarmy friend Rezko and contributed to Barack Obama’s campaign.

It didn’t take long to find out that, among other slimey activities, Rezko is accused of giving Alsammarae a $1.5 million bribe for the electrical contracfor the electrical contract to train Iraqi power plant security guards. Friends are wonderful things, aren’t they?

My search also took me to a December 21, 2006 New York Times piece and the story of the incarcerated Alsammarae and his subsequent escape to that wonderful bunker for domestic terrorists, foreign millionaires of dubious activities, Black Separatist ministers and other assorted scum balls: Chicago.




OAK BROOK, Ill., December 20 - It was an

unremarkable scene on Wednesday outside a gated community here where the former Iraqi electricity minister, Aiham Alsammarae, now a fugitive from justice, keeps a palatial house.







Having escaped from a Baghdad jail over the weekend in what he boasted was the “Chicago way,” Mr. Alsammarae, whose whereabouts are unknown, could have been on the way back here.







Mr. Alsammarae, who holds dual American and Iraqi citizenship, moved to the Chicago area in the late 1970s but returned to Iraq just after the American-led invasion.








He was jailed four months ago on corruption charges related to deals made when he was the electricity manager, from August 2003 to May 2005.



Not a bad deal hey? 4 months in jail for $1.5 million? Where do I sign up?

Apparently, Mr. Alsammarae wasn’t too thrilled with America at the time of his escape to Illinois either:




BAGHDAD, Dec. 19 — In a lengthy phone conversation on Tuesday, the former Iraqi electricity minister who escaped from a Baghdad jail on Sunday ridiculed American and Iraqi officials and said he fled because he did not trust the police and had received a tip that he would be assassinated within days.


I guess all of Mr. Alsammarae’s deals when he was Iraq’s Electricity Minister were pretty lucrative, considering the “palatial” description of his home in Illinois. It sure looks like Tony Rezko gave that home a little Jump Start doesn’t it?

Safe and sound in Good Old Chicago, Mr. Alsammarae had this to say:







Despite the charges against him, Mr. Alsammarae said he did not believe that the American authorities would arrest him in Chicago. “I hope they are smarter than that,” he said.

So, basically, Mr. Alsammarae is just one more of those fine upstanding Duel-Citizenship people of dubious activity who seem to gravitate toward Barack Obama. Alsammarae is just another one of those “regular guys” in the Obama Camp.

In any event, I guess we can assume that, like Tony Rezko, Mr. Alsammarae likes Barack Obama a lot. It must have something to do with that Hopey Changey thing.

The Obama campaign says Alsammarae made an “online” contribution, which of course frees them of any responsibility for the receipt of money from this upstanding citizen. And of course, Barack Obama doesn’t recall ever meeting Auchi Alsammarae

more from No Quarter:
Obama Baloney Alert: His Childhood “Racial Awakening” Was Actually A Novel
By Uppity WomancloseAuthor: Uppity Woman Name: Uppity Woman
Email: [e-mail]
Site:
About: See Authors Posts (25) on April 29, 2008 at 6:47 PM in Barack Obama

Anybody who isn’t still swooning over the Incandescent One already knows that Barack Obama’s fictional autobiographical book, Memories I Pulled Out Of My Butt Dreams From My Father contains lies innacurate accounts.

Now we can add yet another Barack Obama Fuzzy Story to the list.

In Dreams, Obama refers to an article in Life Magazine that stimulated a huge revelation and racial-awakening in little Barry at age 9. Obama claimed there was an article in Life Magazine that contained photographs of an “older” “black man,““in dark glasses,” who had “heavy lips” and a “broad, fleshy nose”. The man, according to Obama, had used chemicals to lighten his skin and was looking at himself in a mirror in horror. There was a closeup of the man’s whitened hands, hopelessly scarred by these caustic chemicals of some sort. Barack was presumably aghast and horrified that someone would go to such extremes to turn himself white. Thus, we learned of little Barry’s “racial-awakening”.


There was one problem with Barry’s “Racial-Awakening” story though. The Chicago Tribune couldn’t find a back issue of Life that contained that story. It just plain didn’t exist.. When questioned about it, Barack, being Barack, said, well maybe it wasn’t Life at all. Maybe it was Ebony. There was also no Ebony back issue that contained such a story.
Nice try but no Cigar for Barry.

Author and Poet Robert Bonazzi wrote a biography of the author of a novel entitled, Black Like Me.


When Obama spoke in the Texas Capitol two years ago at the Texas Book Festival, Bonazzi tried but failed to fight through the crowd to give Obama Black Like Me.

The thing is, John Howard Griffin thought of Barry’s “revelation” first in his 1960 novel, Black Like Me.

It appears that Barack, being Barack, merely sponged off of John Howard Griffin’s best seller thirty years after his death. Except he reversed the story.

In the best-seller Black Like Me, the white Mr. Griffin used ultra-violet treatments and photo-sensitizing medication to darken his skin in order to appear as a black man. His intent was to write an account of his experiences as a “black” man in the segregated south. The article that fits Barack’s description appeared in Sepia Magazine. It was a promotional story on Mr. Griffin’s new book, which included a photo of the “black” Mr. Griffin in dark glasses looking in the mirror, as well as a close-up of Griffin’s darkened hands. Presto! Just like Barry’s “revelation” article- in reverse!

Both Time Magazine and Newsweek also carried Sepia’s piece with the accompanying photos, and it is very possible that little Barry read that piece in bound magazine archives at the Embassy in Indonesia (where his mother, who was on ‘food stamps,” worked). Either that, or Barry channeled Griffin. We all know he has messianic powers, so who knows?


It’s more likely that Barack’s Dreams “racial-awakening” experience was the Black Like Me story with the old switcheroo. This makes Barry either a Blowhard or Delusional. You pick.


Black Like Me sold 11,000,000 copies in 15 languages and is still in print today. It was widely used as High School reading material in the 60s and is still purchased via Mass Media. Richard Widmark played Griffin in the movie Black Like Me.

[gabeana]

20. Hey hater

why don't you answer the question in the OP, is it because you have no answer
what a cowardly move you tried to pull off,

good job relying on RW sites
if you don't know Mother Jones is a great progressive magazine

[roguevalley]

25. Since you deleted the site this shit was found on, it is clear that you

are posting rightwinged rednecked shit on this site in violation of the rules, you tool.

[Beaverhausen]

21. Clinton's voting record is nearly identical to Obama's

anyone who thinks she is a closet fascist is...well...misinformed.