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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:06 AM
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oh snap! Barack is sending out Michelle to take care of Wright
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:09 AM
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1. YAY Michelle! Tell us more about "FOR THE FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE, you're proud of your country."
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:10 AM by Yossariant
:woohoo:

Can't wait.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:11 AM
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2. oh snizap. nt.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:12 AM
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3. Isn't Pride like one of the seven deadly sins?
So being proud of your country all day every day would make you a 24-7 sinner.

At least Michelle Obama uses her sense of Pride sparingly.

If only Bill Clinton would keep his Lust in check, that would help Hillary a lot. :eyes:
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:49 AM
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40. this time it went to post 3
before the first comparison to Hillary or Bill came up. Why is is that increasingly the only thing anyone says on these threads is 'Hillary did it too!'?
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:56 AM
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41. How did I say "Hillary did it too!"?
I am not accusing Hillary of anything. At least - not in the above post.

I am just saying, what is so great about Pride that we make it some kind of rule that every American has to feel proud of his or her country every single day.

I mean - whatever happened to freedom of thought? Freedom of conscience? :eyes:
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:02 PM
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44. you certainly don't have to
but if you are the spouse of a man running for President of that same country, who will need the votes of people who are 'proud to be an American' you should be careful to not say you aren't. it may be the truth, but you need to get some of those people on board.
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:09 PM
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46. 'Hillary did it too!'?
I had to laugh. It reminds me of my third graders.


One of my rules: (5) When trying to explain why you did something, never say ________ did it too.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:58 AM
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84. it reminds me of the old joke
a man asks a woman if she will have sex with him for $1,000,000. She says "well, ok, but only if we keep it quiet" he then asks if she'll have sex with him for $50. She slaps him and asks "what kind of woman do you think I am?" his reply, "we've already established that, now we're just negotiating."

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:26 AM
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82. "Pride cometh before the fall"
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:12 AM
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4. Question: have you been proud of your country lately and, if so, why? nt
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:13 AM
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6. there are a TON of things I am proud of.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:15 AM
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9. A TON of things?
Please list....
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:37 PM
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55. i am proud of...
our generosity as a people
our hard working people
the honor of our people
our achievements and accomplishments in areas of science & engineering
that, tho a bit tarnished at the moment, we are still viewed as the land of opportunity worldwide
our campaigns for human rights and dignity around the world
our self sacrifice

and many many other things...


are we perfect? no, not by a long shot, but we are an amazing people.

I have lived all over the world and all over the United States, and I still think this is a great country.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:05 PM
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59. that must feel great!

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1069138220080110?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
U.S. warplanes pound southern Baghdad outskirts
Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:06pm EST
By Peter Graff

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. warplanes launched their biggest air strike in Iraq since at least 2006 on Thursday, bombarding date palm groves on Baghdad's southern outskirts with more than 40,000 pounds of bombs in a matter of minutes.
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"Thirty-eight bombs were dropped within the first 10 minutes, with a total tonnage of 40,000 pounds," the military said in a statement. "Each bomber passed over twice and the F-16s followed to complete the set."
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U.S. forces spokesman Maj. Winfield Danielson said Thursday's air strike was the biggest in Iraq since at least 2006. A spokeswoman for U.S. forces in central Iraq, Maj. Allayne Conway, said it was too soon to assess the damage inflicted.


US Doubles Air Attacks in Iraq
By Charles J. Hanley
Associated Press
June 5, 2007
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issue ...
Four years into the war that opened with "shock and awe," U.S. warplanes have again stepped up attacks in Iraq, dropping bombs at more than twice the rate of a year ago. The airpower escalation parallels a nearly four-month-old security crackdown that is bringing 30,000 additional U.S. troops into Baghdad and its surroundings - an urban campaign aimed at restoring order to an area riven with sectarian violence. It also reflects increased availability of planes from U.S. aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. And it appears to be accompanied by a rise in Iraqi civilian casualties.
In the first 4 1/2 months of 2007, American aircraft dropped 237 bombs and missiles in support of
ground forces in Iraq, already surpassing the 229 expended in all of 2006, according to U.S. Air Force figures obtained by The Associated Press.
"Air operations over Iraq have ratcheted up significantly, in the number of sorties, the number of
hours (in the air)," said Col. Joe Guastella, Air Force operations chief for the region. "It has a lot to do with increased pressure on the enemy by MNC-I" - the Multinational Corps-Iraq - "combined with more carriers.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/occupation/2007/0605bombardment.htm



Iraq Death Toll Rivals
Rwanda Genocide, Cambodian Killing Fields
By Joshua Holland
AlterNet
September 17, 2007
According to a new study, 1.2 million Iraqis have met violent deaths since the 2003 invasion, the
highest estimate of war-related fatalities yet. The study was done by the British polling firm ORB,
which conducted face-to-face interviews with a sample of over 1,700 Iraqi adults in 15 of Iraq's 18
provinces. Two provinces -- al-Anbar and Karbala -- were too dangerous to canvas, and officials in a third, Irbil, didn't give the researchers a permit to do their work. The study's margin of error was plus-minus 2.4 percent. Field workers asked residents how many members of their own household had been killed since the invasion. More than one in five respondents said that at least one person in their home had been murdered since March of 2003. One in three Iraqis also said that at least some neighbors "actually living on street" had fled the carnage, with around half of those having left the country. In Baghdad, almost half of those interviewed reported at least one violent death in their household.
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These numbers suggest that the invasion and occupation of Iraq rivals the great crimes of the last century -- the human toll exceeds the 800,000 to 900,000 believed killed in the Rwandan genocide in 1994, and is approaching the number (1.7 million) who died in Cambodia's infamous "Killing Fields" during the Khmer Rouge era of the 1970s.

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According to a 2005 report by Lt. Col. Dean Mengel at the Army War College, the number of rounds being fired off is enormous: noted that the Army estimated it would need 1.5 billion small arms rounds per year, which was three times the amount produced just three years earlier. In another, it was noted by the Associated Press that soldiers were shooting bullets faster than they could be produced by the manufacturer. 1.5 billion rounds per year …
Given that the estimated number of active insurgents in Iraq has never exceeded 30,000 -- and is usually given as less than 20,000 -- that leaves a lot of deadly lead flying around. Everyone agrees that the U.S. soldier is the best-trained fighter on earth, so it's somewhat bizarre that war supporters believe their shots rarely hit anybody.

Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/mortality/2007/0917orbpolldeaths.htm



The American Empire: 1992 to present
from the book
Killing Hope
by William Blum
2004 edition
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/American_Empire_KH2004.html

Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed

And that is the way the empire grows-a base in every neighborhood, ready to be mobilized to put down any threat to imperial rule, real or imagined. Fifty-eight years after world War II ended, the United States still has major bases in Germany and Japan; fifty ears after the end of the Korean War, tens of thousands of American armed forces continue to be stationed in South Korea.
"America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before," US Secretary of State Colin Powell declared in February 2002. Later that year, the US Defense Department announced: "The United States Military is currently deployed to more locations then it has been throughout history."


A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present
by William Blum
Z magazine , June 1999
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period.



All Soldiers Fade Away

Justin HudallPosted November 11, 2007 | 06:39 PM (EST)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-hudnall/all-soldie...

"Thirty-five percent of Iraq war veterans accessed mental health services in the year after returning home, while 12% per year were diagnosed with a mental health problem. Against this grim backdrop is an issue that has ignited debate among veterans, government officials and civilians in the healthcare industry: how the Veterans Affairs Department could improve access to healthcare services for rural veterans, who account for about 40% of the VA's patient population." There are 21 states with higher than the national average of veterans within their populations. Eighteen of these are rural states.Because of advances in body armor and medical technology, this war will produce a higher proportion of seriously wounded, traumatized, and brain-damaged veterans than any other.Compounding this is an expected baby boom among military personnel, meaning that the next generation, growing up in the shadow of the Iraq war, will be significantly affected as well.



PTSD and Murder Among Newest Veterans

Jon Soltz | Posted January 14, 2008 | Politics
This weekend, while the 24-hour primary coverage raged on, the New York Times published a very well researched and stunning report on the number of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans involved in killings, here in America. They found at least 121 cases, now, where a veteran was charged with involvement in a homicide.The trend of our newest veterans being involved in killings on the homefront can be largely attributed to four letters -- PTSD. Our failure to properly screen for and treat this mental injury is the source of so many problems our newest veterans face -- from drug and alcohol abuse, to homelessness, to joblessness, to spousal abuse, to suicide, and now, to murders.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-soltz/ptsd-and-murder...


Battle Continues Over Vietnam PTSD Numbers
08.23.07, 12:00 AM ET
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlek...
THURSDAY, Aug. 23 (HealthDay News) --
-In the years following the end of U.S. involvement in Vietnam, the actual number of veteran psychologically scarred by what they had encountered in the war became the subject of heated controversy.
A 1988 study, conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, estimated a relatively low lifetime rate of PTSD among veterans of 14.7 percent.
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"The most important results have been underemphasized, and that is the dose/response relationship, and that's about as close as you can come to a causal relationship," he said. "The other thing is the rate of 1-in-5 war-related onset of PTSD and 1-in-10 still current after the war of impairing PTSD. That
is far from trivial. This is a heavy cost by any count.


This article originally appeared in the July 2007 volume of the Zero To Three
Journal on Coping With Separation and Loss.
The Young Military Child
Our Modern Telemachus
Stephen J. Cozza
Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences
Alicia F. Lieberman
University of California, San Francisco
-A combat mindset or what has been referred to as Battlemind can lead to misdirected irritability or aggression that can impact on small children. Irritability, emotional rage, jumpiness, hypervigilance, or overreactivity can all lead to family conflict and misunderstanding on the part of the young child. Social withdrawal or reduced communication because of anxiety about sharing upsetting war-related experiences may cause further withdrawal from family members and lead to a child’s confusion about the meaning of such parental nonavailability.
—Postdeployment emotional and behavioral responses can range from more typical short-term distress responses, such as change in sleep, decreased sense of safety, or social isolation, to the development of more serious psychiatric conditions, such as post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) or depression.
Studies conducted by Hoge and colleagues (Hoge et al., 2004; Hoge, Auchterlonie, & Milliken, (2005) at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research have demonstrated significant postdeployment distress in populations of combat exposed soldiers and marines returning from Iraq. When screened 12 months after return from combat deployment, nearly 20% of service members endorsed symptoms consistent with a mental
disorder, most often PTSD or depression.
—Studies have demonstrated that the children of parents with depression (Beardslee, Versage, & Gladstone, 1998) evidence significant problems in a wide range of functional areas. Children of Vietnam veterans with PTSD are more likely to evidence symptoms similar to those of their combat-exposed fathers (Rosenheck & Nathan, 1985; Rosenheck & Thompson, 1986).
http://www.zerotothree.org/site/PageServer



HEALTH-US: Iraq Vets Left in Physical and Mental Agony
By Aaron Glantz
The group Veterans for America, formerly the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation, estimates that 10,000 veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan are now living on the street.

"What's unique about the men and women coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan is that they're not able to integrate with their family," Feldstein said. "They've seen horrible things. They've been in horrible places and their family can't relate. And so you become homeless in the last place you lived."

A recent study by Harvard's Kennedy School of Government found that by the time the Iraq and Afghanistan wars end, there will be at least two and a half million vets.
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Pentagon studies show that 12 percent of soldiers who have served in Iraq suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. The group Veterans for America, formerly the Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation, estimates 70,000 Iraq war veterans have gone to the VA for mental health care.
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=36056



• In 2000, 1.5 million U.S. children had an incarcerated parent. Between 1990-2001, the number of women in prison increased by 106%.
• In 1995, 12% of children in foster care had not received routine health care. 90% had not received services to address developmental delays.
• Between 1992-2002, the number of infants and toddlers entering foster care increased by 110%.
• In 1993, more than 60% of the homeless population in NYC municipal shelters were former foster youth.

• According to a 1999 report, less than 50% of foster youth had graduated from high school, compared to 85% of the general population.
• In 2000, of 732 mid-western foster care youths, nearly 52% had lived in three or more foster homes and had moved schools.
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There are more than half a million children and youth in the U.S. foster care system, a 90% increase since 1987.Three of 10 of the nation’s homeless are former foster children.
A recent study has found that 12-18 months after leaving foster care:
27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated

33% were receiving public assistance
37% had not finished high school
50% were unemployed
Children in foster care are three to six times more likely than children not in care to have emotional, behavioral and developmental problems,

A study by the National Center for Mental Health and Juvenille Justice found 70% of these youth meet the criteria for at least one mental health disorder. What's worse is that 36% of the parents of these youth intentionaly involved the juvenille justice system to access mental health services...some 12,700 children were places in either child welfare, or the juvenilled justice systems to access mental health systems (U.S. GAO 2003) Of course, the U.S. DOJ in recent investigations into the conditions in these juvenille detention and correctional facilities, found inadequate access to treatment, inappropriate use of medications, and neglect of suicide attempts nationwide (U.S.DOJ 2005).
---80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system.

* 872,000 children and youth were confirmed victims of abuse or neglect in the United States in 2004.


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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:32 PM
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68. You post that as if the history
of this country started with the chimp administration. You want to feel that way, fine. Meanwhile, people risk their lives every day to get into this country. You may want to ask yourself why that is.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:40 PM
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71. Did you notice the stats for the Vietnam war?
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 02:57 PM by stillcool47
and PTSD? Did you notice the link for US Interventions 1945-present? Did you notice the stats for Foster children from the early 90's? How much do you think I can cram into one post? As far as people risking their lives to get into this country...maybe you should ask yourself why that is....

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/NAFTA_FTAA/NAFTA_FTAA.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Mexico/Mexico_watch.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/New_World_Order/USmilitary_Chiapas.html
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:02 PM
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74. I'm assuming you must have family
here as the reason you stay. A good enough reason I suppose.

Meanwhile, we're often the first country to send money and help when there is a natural disaster. Our women can get educated and don't have their bodies butchered in the name of purity. That's just two things I can be very proud of every day. Sorry you find nothing positive about the country you choose to inhabit.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 04:00 PM
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78. My family? ...
and how dare you insult me, and my family because I acknowledge the actions of my government. That has nothing to do with my anything..as you seem to imply. My dad is the guy on the left. They said he was a helluva guy!

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:48 AM
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79. I wasn't insulting you
People have many reasons to not leave their homes - family being around the most common. You just don't seem to think this country does anything well and I know if I felt that way, I just might leave. This country has many faults, it also has some greatness.

You seriously need to chill out and stop seeing everything as an attack. You will only get back what you throw out in the universe.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:56 AM
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80. Take it from someone who's tried. You think they make it easy to "just leave"?
It's a hell of a lot easier getting in than it is getting out. And they are making it more difficult by the second.


Now hush and be good Germans.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:21 AM
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81. Are you seriously comparing
US citizens to German Nazis? And as I know plenty of people who have fallen in love and moved to other countries, I know there is nothing official that keeps anyone here.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:29 AM
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83. The poor are officially trapped here. No ifs ands or buts about it.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:32 AM by JTFrog
You must submit information to your government as to where you are going, how long you will be there, who you know there and what their business is and how you will support yourself while you are gone. This of course after you jump through the initial hoops of the costly identification processes. It would cost me damn near a grand just to get my family's "papers" in order.

And yes, I'm comparing the vulnerability of our sleeping masses to those of the German citizens who dutifully accepted what they were told by the government hand that was about to crush them.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:44 PM
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61. You speak for me.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:18 AM
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12. Hell, yes. I can speak my mind; travel all over; great opps for me and my kids..
The list is endless --- simply endless.

But then, I haven't been brainwashed, NOR HAVE MY KIDS, by the Reverend Wright for the past 20 years -- telling me how it just ain't so.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:19 AM
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14. Haven't been brainswashed for 20 years...
Hmmmm....there must be another source to the idiocy then eh?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. How about your president and administration, which is the
proper context, if you want to make fun of Michelle Obama, because that was her context. Get real.
Are you proud of where the US is at in the minds of other countries? Where have you traveled that you've heard rave reviews about the US? And where can you travel now that the value of the dollar isn't in the dumps? Inquiring minds... but I'm so very glad you're happy. I just think you haven't been paying attention if you are just fine with the way things are going in this country.

Yes, go ahead and speak your mind, but don't get too loud. Ya never know...
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #12
47. So, I guess this war is okay by you, and you
are down with the torturing business, and you don't mind having the right of habeus corpus signed away. Am I on target with the size of your pride? You are probably alright with the way Native Americans have been treated historically and slavery of African Americans too. Guess the testing of syphilis on the Tuskogee airmen was okay too. How about the internment of Japanese Americans during WWII?

Be proud of being proud. You go for it. Knock yourself out. I'm just happy I know plenty of people who have sense of morality and a conscious that tweaks them to question.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
50. let me guess, you're a white male, correct?
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:34 AM
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30. Weirdly enough.... I was never proud to be American.....until Obama did the race speech in PA...n/t
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:14 PM
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49. I'm proud
I'm proud that, although the last 7 years have been a strain on our democracy, at least we didn't end up quite so bad as Nazi Germany, and hopefully won't. I know, small comfort.

I'm proud that, even though we're entering a period of economic turmoil, limited tax revenue and government spending opportunities, one candidate has the balls to say enough is enough and demand universal health care.

I'm proud that yesterday, a six-year marine and founder of a truly successful Christian organization was given the opportunity to talk about what he considered inconvenient truths. The media may have given him this opportunity for entirely the wrong reasons, but I found such free thought on television refreshing.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:13 AM
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5. OMFGROFL
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:14 AM
Original message
So you're not proud of the numbers of voters coming out this season?
But you are proud of the Bush admins, the Reagan admin?

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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:14 AM
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7. What Fresh Hell Is This?
You might want to include the actual quote instead of posting it out of context to prove a point.

Or do you work in the news media for a living? If so, I guess you're just practicing.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:14 AM
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8. She was referring to her pride in the grassroots support for her husband's campaign.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:18 AM
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13. Why do you guys even take your time to explain to them
They know good and damn well what she meant. I cannot even see their crap but I'm assuming they are talking about Michelle's comment about being proud of America. Hell my 11yr old nephew got the gist of her comment the first time around; there is no excuse for their willful ignorance.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:23 AM
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19. I'd like to slap each and every one of these morons who bash her on that...n/t
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #13
23. *pssst*
that's all they've got on michelle to complain about-

these comments are like getting punched by an infant

it's almost cute in a way (if the next 8 years of our lives weren't at stake)
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:31 AM
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26. I don't know. Maybe I'm an eternal optimist
and I think eventually something will get through their thick skulls... :)



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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #13
45. I know unborn fetuses who got the gist of it
'there is no excuse for their willful ignorance.'

absolutely right.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #1
21. Another person who refuses to put remarks in context.
:crazy:
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #1
37. Wow. Freep much?
I'm sorry, but if you're really a Democrat, you can't possibly say that you've been filled with overwhelming pride and patriotism, especially within the last 8 years.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #37
66. Screw you. I'm proud of my country.
"if you're really a Democrat, you can't possibly say that you've been filled with overwhelming pride and patriotism"

THANKS SO MUCH. THIS IS WHY DEMOCRATS KEEP LOSING ELECTIONS.

Wow. What a bunch of fucking Debbie Downers.

Let me make the ritual incantation: Yes, I admit America has its problems. Yes, I admit we're bogged down in an unjust and immoral war. Yes, I admit we're not perfect.

Bill Clinton said it; Barack Obama said a variation on it; what part of this DON'T you people get? "There is nothing wrong with America that can't be fixed by what is right with America."

Bake
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
54. As HRC ducks "sniper fire" and abuses alcohol by "taking shots" with da BoyZ.
:eyes:

HRC: SCREW 'EM! (those working class "white trash" who wouldn't vote for her husband, Bubba Clinton)

<cue Boss Hog dancing to "The Dukes of Hazard" theme song>
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:47 PM
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57. Egads! Go count dead Iraqi's
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
76. You could fall off a cliff...
wouldn't bother me in the least.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
10. Uh Oh --- I feel another MAJOR SPEECH coming...
"I can no more disown Michelle.........."
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:19 AM
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15. Get under the bus, Michelle!
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #10
34. You are beyond pathetic
Not particularly funny either.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #34
43. Thanks for putting in your 2 cents!
:hi:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #10
39. Nah. That's gonna be one well-coached lady.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:15 AM
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11. Good lord we have a record
You ignores are fast to comment when you see the name Michelle Obama,damn. What is it like three in a row in here? What the hell! is that a record? give yourself a pat on the back and a cookie.

OP, thanks for the article.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #11
28. you nailed it. dispicable.
opened this thread and a string of ignores. the sharks are swarming :eyes:

thanks OP for sharing :thumbsup:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:21 AM
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16. How many people does he need to explain his statements?
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:22 AM
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18. For some of you rock heads there isn't enough..
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. Have you enjoyed your first month on DU?
And I only require one person to explain himself. Apparently he believes he's failed.
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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
29. You're Right: Obama SHOULD Only Have To Explain Himself Once...
...however it's not his fault that the M$M is disingenuous at best and evil at worst.

Again, it's all about the horse race, kids!

Giddyup. :eyes:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #29
31. Ah, it's the disingenuous evil media again.
Those bastards!

:grr:
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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #31
36. Not "Again." More Like "Always." But yeah... (n|t)
.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #31
60. 24/7 for 3 weeks straight...
selected excerpts from a Pastor's sermon out of 30 years of sermons, followed by death threats, and bomb threats. Nothing wrong with that!! Why oh why, is no one concerned with this? I believe some renouncing, denouncing, and rejecting should be forthcoming from Hillary. After all she sat in that Prayer Group for 15 years. What was she hearing while sitting in her seat? What does this say for her judgment?

Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politic
Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.
--------------------------------------------------
Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.


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These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular.

Unlikely partnerships have become a Clinton trademark. Some are symbolic, such as her support for a ban on flag burning with Senator Bob Bennett (R-Utah) and funding for research on the dangers of video games with Brownback and Santorum. But Clinton has also joined the gop on legislation that redefines social justice issues in terms of conservative morality, such as an anti-human-trafficking law that withheld funding from groups working on the sex trade if they didn't condemn prostitution in the proper terms. With Santorum, Clinton co-sponsored the Workplace Religious Freedom Act; she didn't back off even after Republican senators such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter pulled their names from the bill citing concerns that the measure would protect those refusing to perform key aspects of their jobs—say, pharmacists who won't fill birth control prescriptions, or police officers who won't guard abortion clinics.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-3.html
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. True but remember the American people can only be
approached on a 3rd grade level and that's over their heads. Wright = angry black man = Unamerican Anything that can't be reduced to easy visual soundbites jus doesn't make it. The pundits can't figure it out either.

So here you go again .. you left leaning commie elitist ... lol ... nothing to see here ...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. But you know...
a funny thing happened on the way to the Convention...



...I'm just going to watch what happens...
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #60
69. What does this have to do with
Mrs. Obama? Why the spam?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. Mrs. Obama?
see if you can follow....

You're Right: Obama SHOULD Only Have To Explain Himself Once...
...however it's not his fault that the M$M is disingenuous at best and evil at worst.

Again, it's all about the horse race, kids!


Ah, it's the disingenuous evil media again.
Those bastards!

Now see here is my response....to the 'evil media'.

24/7 for 3 weeks straight...
selected excerpts from a Pastor's sermon out of 30 years of sermons, followed by death threats, and bomb threats. Nothing wrong with that!! Why oh why, is no one concerned with this? I believe some renouncing, denouncing, and rejecting should be forthcoming from Hillary. After all she sat in that Prayer Group for 15 years. What was she hearing while sitting in her seat? What does this say for her judgment?

As far as "spamming the board" you've got to be kidding me!! Every time I see a Reverend Wright post it is only fair that I post about Hillary's Spiritual Adviser. How else can one make any informed decision?...don't you think? Seems like I've got an awful lot of catching up to do!!
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. You mistake me for a Hillary supporter
That all three major candidates feel it's necessary to spout off on their religion makes me want to barf. And I call her Mrs. Obama because I don't know her personally and I find that a respectful way to address her. What I don't understand is why everytime something comes up about Sen Obama, the supporters of Sen Obama feel it necessary to to do the "she did it too" about Sen Clinton. It's the way children argue. It's not like there aren't dozens of threads about how evil Sen Clinton is. The supporters on both sides act like infants.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. What difference does it make...
who you support? Your question was why I responded the way I did, and for what purpose did I add Hillary's Prayer Group in my post. I believe I answered both. If you think that this Prayer Group has no relevance that is fine. I am of the opinion that the religious people that Mrs. Clinton has aligned herself with for the last 15 years are far more dangerous, and will have a far greater impact on US Domestic and Foreign Policy, than any black preacher could ever have.
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The_Counsel Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #16
22. Given The Number Of Disengenuous Pundits There Are...
...he'll probably need more surrogates than we think to speak on this.

Yesterday, the M$M was so blindsided at the deftness with which Obama put this Wright thing to bed, that they had no choice but to praise him or STFU.

Now, with time to sleep on it, they have a new meme: How come Obama didn't throw Rev. Wright under the bus earlier? As if it would have changed their false outrage at all. :eyes:

See, those of us who know better knew this Wright thing wasn't over--even though it should have been a non-starter from the beginning.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:29 AM
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:29 AM
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24. Oh wow....I don't know if Wright can contain himself
once Michelle get's done with him.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #24
67. !!
:rofl:
:spray:
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:32 AM
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27. As long as she doesn't tell any Ghandi jokes or threaten to obliterate another country,
she'll be excellent!

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #27
53. Maybe she can learn from hilary's bad joke about
a Head of State and not diss on Helen Clark, either.

Thursday, April 24, 2008
Hillary Really Knows How To Tell A Joke

This was a good one. Hillary was asked by Newsweek if she knew any good jokes, and Hillary responded with this:

Here's a good one. Helen Clark, former prime minister of New Zealand: her opponents have observed that in the event of a nuclear war, the two things that will emerge from the rubble are the cockroaches and Helen Clark. *
Ouch, that is kind of harsh isn't it? I mean yeah, okay, I'm assuming she is a fighter, the same could be said about the Clintons, but comparing a former world leader to a cockroach seems kind of inappropriate doesn't it?

Oh yeah, and there is also the fact that Helen Clark is STILL prime minister of New Zealand. Apparently the New Zealanders are in a "tizzy" over her comments now.

Yes Hillary, oh keeper of foreign policy experience and knowledge, oh person who supposedly knows all of the world leaders personally and would supposedly make such an awesome Commander-in-Chief, teach us more..

And really, when asked to tell a joke that was the "good one" you came up with? No knock knock jokes or people walking into a bar? I'm sorry but Obama is much funnier from what I've seen, not that he really had to one-up you in any other areas.

*I can only assume she was laughing at her own joke here, and I think we can all recreate the moment in our heads quite easily.

Posted by TPIP

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/04/hillary-really-knows-how-to-tell-joke.html

Wasn't hilary just projecting herself as the "cockroach"?

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:36 AM
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32. Their internal polling must be shit to keep this story going another day
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:37 AM
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33. SHIT, I have to clear my calendar!
This just might be very entertaining. Is this where his WIFE throws HIM under the bus?
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:43 AM
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35. Foot 'n Mouth ("I'd like to scratch his (Bill Clinton's) eyes out") to the Rezko
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:47 AM
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38. I dunno, maybe if Michelle can take the Rev aside for a one-to-one chat
Edited on Wed Apr-30-08 11:49 AM by DinahMoeHum
and admonish him something along the lines of,
"...you made your points, now please stay away from the media - for Barack's sake and the nation's sake. We here are doing all we can to ensure Barack will be the next President of the United States, and from here on out you are not to say or do anything that will jeopardize that"

then she will have done ALL of us a big favor.
:shrug:
I saw Wright's interview with Bill Moyers AND the tapes of his speech at the National Press Club a few days ago. I think somewhere along the last few weeks, the sudden notoriety and publicity gave Reverend Wright a swelled head. (Pride, get thee right behind me)

Just my 2 cents.
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:59 PM
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 11:57 AM
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42. This will prove to be a big mistake. Mark my words. nt
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:12 PM
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48. Nah, stop being scary
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Bodhi BloodWave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. is there anything the obama campaign does thats NOT a big mistake according to you and others here?
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #51
73. Unfortunately, he is right ...
Michele could totally nail the interview, not say ANYTHING that could even reasonably be problematic, and SOMEHOW, the Hill and the right WILL find a way to spin it negatively ...

Chum to political sharks having an passionate black woman speak truth to power ...

I have had BOs quiet confidence since January, but the MSM is in bring him down mode at this point ...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #73
85. Michele is a nice foil for Obama. She's comfortable with herself,
Edited on Thu May-01-08 09:17 AM by sfexpat2000
more direct than he is, seems every bit as smart and has her own sense of humor. Good at interviews,too.


She's one of those political wives (if that's the right term) that I could vote for as readily as for their partner.

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:29 PM
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52. I wondered on another thread
what Michelle Obama was making of all this.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #52
63. She's probably wondering
how long will they give attention to foolishness while this country is on a steady downward spiral.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #63
65. Agreed (in general). However...
was Michelle a member of the church before she met her husband?
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:45 PM
Response to Original message
56. Oh, the drama!
This is the interview with BOTH Barack and Michelle that's going to air on the "Today" show tomorrow, so I doubt the Obama haters will get their fill of the foot-in-mouth red meat they're craving.

:eyes:
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:38 PM
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70. Good thing Hillary doesn't use her spouse for politics!
:rofl:
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