AP calls Clinton on FAKE visit to gas station

[NYCGirl]

When you care enough to fake your compassion...

http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/ap-calls-clinton-on-fake-visit-to-gas.html

SOUTH BEND, Ind. - Hillary Rodham Clinton, a former first lady who hasn't driven a car or pumped gas in many years because of Secret Service restrictions, joined a blue-collar worker at a filling station Wednesday to illustrate how the high price of gasoline is squeezing consumers.

The Democratic presidential candidate and sheet metal worker Jason Wilfing, 33, pulled into the station in a large white Ford 250 pickup truck, Clinton riding shotgun. Never mind that it wasn't even Wilfing's truck — he had borrowed his boss's larger vehicle to accommodate Clinton's security agent and personal assistant, who rode in the back.

Trailing Wilfing and Clinton was a Secret Service motorcade consisting of six gas-guzzling Suburbans, two squad cars and a green SUV bearing photographers and TV cameras. Several other reporters and cameramen stood shivering in unseasonably cold temperatures, ready to capture the multi-vehicle arrival.

Clinton and Wilfing stepped out of the car and approached the pump. Wilfing chose regular unleaded gasoline, and began filling the tank. The two engaged in chit chat, with New York senator mentioning her proposal for a temporary gas tax holiday to ease the price pinch on consumers.

The tank filled, Clinton looked at the price recorded at the pump and shook her head.

"Sixty-three dollars," she said. "For just about half a tank."

Shutters clicked, cameras whirred. Point made.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_el_pr/political_play_of_the_day;_ylt=AohA_CAVrbsEVIfoeg9XPFqyFz4D

[JuniperLea]

1. Are you going to complain about kissing babies next?

This sort of thing is part of the whole campaign deal.

If she bought a truck, filled it with actors, then I'd say you were onto something. This is just lame.

[NYCGirl]

2. At least it doesn't take a gas-guzzling motorcade to kiss babies. NT

[JuniperLea]

7. That's pretty lame too...

Not even as good as a neener neener, really.

She was illustrating a point. She did it with real people in a real work truck at a real gas pump. Had they been actors, I would have been full on in your court on this.

[redqueen]

5. She bought a new plane despite being in debt...

how's that?

[JuniperLea]

10. Rich people do all sorts of things for tax purposes

We don't always understand the full ramifications until well after the fact... and the tax returns.

That's not really a big deal.

[redqueen]

17. I understand that she's spending money she doesn't have

on stuff she doesn't need.

What else do I need to know?

[JuniperLea]

37. You're missing the point

And who are you to say she doesn't need a plane? Do you know everything about all of her business ventures? Do you know what her tax plan is for 2008? There are too many variables to draw conclusions based on the purchase of one plane.

Besides, the main thing is... she isn't broke. She may not have a lot of cash on hand right now, but there is no question she has assets far in excess of her debts.

[redqueen]

50. Her campaign has assets far in excess of her debts?

Or are you talking about her personal finances?

She already had a plane. Her campaign is broke. What does that have to do with tax plans?

[JuniperLea]

66. You said SHE bought a plane...

You didn't say her CAMPAIGN bought a plane. Jeez. I have no knowledge about this plane, I'm only going by what you are saying.

[redqueen]

68. Hahah... sorry!

Yeah, campaign plane. Might be leased though... not sure.

Costs more to operate, though...

[JuniperLea]

71. Have you compared the cost to operate to the cost...

of flying all those people commercially?

Just asking.

:hug:

No worries... this will all be over soon...

[redqueen]

72. Nope... but she was already using a plane...

but switched to the more expensive one.

Maybe the rumors of a recent influx of cash are true... but I doubt it.

:hug:

And yup! It will be! :bounce:

[cliffordu]

20. LOL - Just ask someone who lost their jobs through NAFTA -

[JuniperLea]

38. What jobs have gone to Mexico or Canada?

What businesses have gone?

[cliffordu]

44. Caterpillar tractor, SRAM bicycle parts, Volkswagen car parts

John Deere tractor parts.....

Warner Gear - I believe was right in Muncie, Indiana....

[JuniperLea]

45. And where did they go?

Mexico or Canada?

[cliffordu]

52. MEXICO

[redqueen]

51. Are you frickin kidding?

:wtf:

Here's a big one: Lucent / Tyco.



and on edit: The plant moved to Mexico.

[libnnc]

58. Dayco corporation for one.

[cali]

24. LOL! Do you actually think Clinton bought a plane for her campaign

with her own money?

:rofl:

[LisaM]

35. She BOUGHT a new campaign plane?

Or she is leasing one?

[redqueen]

54. Not sure... but it's more expensive to fly, we know that much.

And in a more cosmetic change, Clinton's staff upgraded its travel from a 717 to MD-80 airplane. The former, smaller plane had a restroom only in the rear, forcing the Former First Lady to walk by the press corps every time she headed to the lavatory. The latter is more expensive to fly, suggesting the cash-strapped campaign may be in a slightly better financial situation.

[high density]

57. It's a charter

It's an "old" MD-80

[dionysus]

9. sorry she's so phoney, but here

banky will make it all better;

[cliffordu]

22. Nice panderbear!!

[Cha]

69. I'm bitchin' about hilary's LIES.

"Why Hillary’s Lies are Important"

- March 24, 2008, 9:53PM
Hillary Clinton has been caught in a series of lies and misrepresentations during the primary campaign. To some of her supporters, these lies may seem trivial and insignificant and even politics-as-usual. However, please consider the serious impact of these lies by placing them in the context of the past seven years of the Bush Administration and the legacy of expanded executive power that he leaves behind. In particular, consider the dangerous message that the Clinton campaign sends by employing similar tactics to achieve her political goals.

1. The Florida and Michigan Primaries / The Delegate Count
Hillary agreed to honor the DNC’s decision to strip Florida and Michigan of its delegates after their primaries were moved up into January in express violation of the DNC rules. She did not change her position on the validity of these primaries until she found herself unexpectedly behind in the delegate count and desperately needed to claim the delegates that she had won in these unsanctioned contests. As her chances of winning the nomination became increasingly slim in recent weeks, we have been presented with threatening and desperate lines of reasoning for why these primary results should count as is. At the same time, Clinton and her surrogates continue to propose different metrics for determining who should win the nomination even though there is and has been a clearly defined process in place for several decades.

Please think about the implications of changing election rules after the fact. We have suffered through at least one stolen presidential election and the manipulation of untold numbers of Congressional and state elections through various vote tampering and voter intimidation schemes used by the Republicans and their allies. The American people (and especially Democratic voters) have lost faith in the integrity of the election process. The Clinton strategy to continually change the rules for determining the Democratic Party nominee sets a dangerous precedent that could lead to increasingly un-Democratic elections in the future if it is allowed to succeed. If anything, we need more transparency and methods of accountability in our elections in order to repair the damage done in recent years and to restore our confidence in the Government.

2. The Bosnia Fabrication / Exaggerated Experience ClaimsHillary fabricated a story about a dangerous, life-risking visit to Bosnia in order to gain stature as an experienced negotiator in international conflicts and war. While this type of embellishment can seem almost comical, it represents a willingness to distort reality in order to influence the public perception. This is the same type of distortion that the Bush administration used to justify the war in Iraq, although the magnitude of the lie is certainly on a different scale. The Bush administration falsified reports, cherry-picked intelligence, used unreliable sources, and employed fear-mongering tactics to convince the American public that our safety was at risk and as such, you were either with us or with the terrorists. The lies used by President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are impeachable offenses and should be condemned by all Americans. Sadly, the Clinton campaign seems to have shown a shocking willingness to employ the same tactics to create a more favorable reality and to rely on divide-and-conquer rhetoric to weaken opposition. Her attempts to frighten the American people by conjuring up 3 AM phone calls are bad enough, but her vote of confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama should be seen as treason against the Democratic Party.

3. NAFTA
Hillary lied about her position on NAFTA and used her lies in a calculated way to influence the Ohio primary. Recently released White House documents confirm that Hillary had been an active proponent of NAFTA prior to its passage, and she has continued to support it publicly in her speeches and memoir. However, while campaigning in Ohio, she claimed to have been privately against NAFTA during the Clinton presidency and believes that it should be rewritten to protect American jobs and workers. This type of maneuvering is reminiscent of the behind-closed-doors policy-making that the Bush administration has used during the past seven years. Specifically, Bush and Cheney have made policy decisions without providing transparency to Congress or the public, and President Bush has repeatedly ignored the rule of law by issuing signing statements and disregarding the parts of the laws that he doesn’t agree with. If we cannot trust Hillary to be truthful about her positions on critical legislative issues now, how can we trust that she will be truthful as president?

These are just three examples that illustrate the concerns we should have with a candidate who demonstrates a sense of entitlement to the nomination and is willing to lie, misrepresent, threaten, and divide in order to obtain the nomination. President Bush and the neoconservative movement have greatly harmed this country by the creation of an imperial-like presidency. This election is not just about whether a Democrat or Republican wins but if the checks and balances are restored to the three branches of government. The framers of the Constitution were in such fear of an imperial president that mechanisms for impeachment are prominently and explicitly included in the Constitution. If Hillary Clinton is willing to use lies and deceit to win the Democratic nomination, what assurances do we have that she will not continue to use them once she is president?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/why-h ...

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"Her response to being caught lying to a military audience, when she invented a story about being under sniper fire in Bosnia, was to say it wasn't surprising she got some things wrong, seeing how she spoke millions of words every day. What a magnificent idea, that if you say lots of words some of them are bound to be fantastic lies. So if you listen carefully to horse-racing commentators they say things like "And it's Teddy's Boy still leading three furlongs out as they come up to the fourth last fence with Nip and Tuck two lengths behind by the way I fought a tiger once, punched it clean out and they're all safely over."


<lots more>
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/opinion/article3 ...

"It's not that lying to pad the resume, avoid Indictment or to advance her political fortune is anything new for Hillary Clinton. She famously said she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary (debunked); she told New Yorkers she was a Yankee fan when she lived in Chicago (debunked); she told rural New Yorkers that she was a "duck hunter" (debunked); she claimed that her daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center at the time of the 9/11 attack (debunked by Chelsea herself.) And, those subpoenaed Rose Law billing records just happened to show up one day on a hallway table in the most monitored home in America!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[leftofcool]

3. "to illustrate the high price of gas"

So? At least she is talking about the issues

[scheming daemons]

6. LOL.... by filling up 10 SUVs? Irony is lost on you Clinton supporters....

...

[leftofcool]

30. I hate to burst yer bubble but millions still have SUV's

There are also farmers with tractors, diggers who need to gas up their bulldozers, snow plows and many other types of gas using equipment. But Obama is off playing basketball isn't he?

[Hawkeye-X]

8. Uh-huh, and how much gas was wasted making this photo-op?

"...six gas-guzzling Suburbans, two squad cars and a green SUV"

7 cars?

Fuck that.

probably $500 worth of wasted gas.

[Neshanic]

13. Obama levitates from venue to venue, and sometimes he just mind melds long distance.

Maybe you should stop driving to see him, since he can appear at will anywhere without that nasty carbon footprint.

[leftofcool]

32. LOL!

[Barack_America]

19. And the guy had to drive 45 minutes just to pick her up...

More gas wasted.

But what's that to someone worth $105 million and bestest friends with the Saudis and Dubai?

[leftofcool]

31. And that is the point!

[JuniperLea]

41. Think again...

How was it wasted? Did the company not use that gas? Was it poured out onto the street? How many SUVs with only drivers do you see in your town daily?

Lame... lame... lame.

[DogPoundPup]

16. Hill talking down to voters

AS IF "WE" DON'T ALREADY KNOW she feels she has to illustrate? :puke:

[AllentownJake]

4. They left out the good part

Where she couldn't figure out how to work the coffee machine inside the store lol. Press button till 2/3 full was way to complicated for her.

[Sadie5]

21. Just like BO

Hillary went to a gas station. Why would you make a big deal out of Hillary making a speech at a gas station when BO did the same just last week.

[Eurobabe]

27. I heard she ordered a soy latte, extra shot hold the foam

but the machine wouldn't obey.

[Barack_America]

59. Extra shot of what?

Did Hill need a little "eye opener"?

;)

[DavidDvorkin]

11. It would have been a full tank, but then the sniper fire began

[DogPoundPup]

25. LOL

[Eurobabe]

28. lmfao

:rofl: :rofl:

[suston96]

12. Nothing fake about the gas pumps visit....but this post headline? Fake - fake - fake - fake......

(Thanks to Elaine on Seinfeld.....)

[Doityourself]

14. Trailing Wilfing and Clinton was a Secret Service motorcade consisting of six gas-guzzling Suburbans

This is a problem. They are spending our money and getting a free ride and free gas...

[Barack_America]

15. Check out this article that gives a play-by-play of the event.

Hillarious!

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/she_hasnt_pumpe.html

[cliffordu]

18. The Lion of Tuzla on patrol again!! Panderbear extraordinaire!!

Goddess of the flatbed debate!!

Jesus I love that woman.

[IndianaGreen]

60. "The Lion of Tuzla?" ROTFLMAO

Hil and McCain do belong on the same ticket. Their pandering and shameless flip-flopping will provide us with weeks of entertainment (at $3.75 per gallon gas, what could we afford other than the the boob tube).

[City Lights]

23. Poser.

Phony as a $3 bill.

:thumbsdown: to your lame photo-op, HIllary.

I have to say that I'm shocked that Ms. Hilly rode shotgun. I would have expected someone who claims to be in command and tough as nails would have taken that truck by the wheel and driven it herself. Ridin' shotgun is for wimps!

[tishaLA]

26. And she even went in an F-250

it looks like. Good to know she proves the point by riding in a fuel-efficient car.

[tammywammy]

29. That wasn't his pickup

He had to borrow his boss' truck since they had to fit in a security person and her traveling companion.

[JuniperLea]

42. So what?

This nit picking is getting really silly.

[tammywammy]

47. Where did I "nitpick"? I was just stating the facts, it wasn't his truck.

[JuniperLea]

49. It was his boss' truck...

So what? It was still a truck used by the company for whom he works.

[tammywammy]

53. Did I say it was a bad thing that it wasn't his personal truck?

His truck is actually smaller, but they needed the room to accommodate a security person and Hillary's aide.

Maybe you need to stop the nitpicking.

[JuniperLea]

63. So what if they needed more room?

Like I said, if it were actors, I'd be in your court.

[tammywammy]

65. Where did I say anything negative about any of this situtation?

Again, maybe you're the one that needs to stop nitpicking.

[JuniperLea]

73. What was your point here, then?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5755140&mesg_id=5755351

[tammywammy]

75. A stating of the facts

[DogPoundPup]

74. You're on the verge of a nervous break down....

Gettin' all rattled about stated facts.

[JuniperLea]

76. Project much?

:eyes:

[klyon]

62. Isn't illegal for people to ride in the back of pickup trucks?

if it is not it should be
dogs too should not ride back there

[tammywammy]

64. I think it depends on where you live

In Texas, I believe if you're over a certain age you can ride in the back. But again, since they needed to accommodate a security person, they wouldn't be of very much use sitting in the back of a pickup, hence the need for a larger truck that would fit them inside.

[formercia]

33. Life is tough for Blackwater alumnus

now that they're not making six figures and have to feed that monster pickup on a Rent-a-Cop wage.

[book_worm]

34. She's a phony panderer.

[NeedleCast]

36. Wow, I Had No Idea Gas Prices Were High

Thanks for pointing it out Hillary!

Now what are you planning on doing about it that doesn't involve a bullshit lip service, feel-good bit of legislation that continues to line the pockets of big oil while doing nothing to solve the problem?

[onenote]

39. Gas fill up: $63; Fill-up during gas tax "holiday": $60

Whoo-hooo!!! Enough saved to buy herself and the guy driving a cup of coffee.

For those who don't realize, the gas tax that Clinton and McCain are proposing be suspended for the summer months is 18.4 cents -- and it was set at the level in 1983, and hasn't been changed for inflation or anything else in 25 years.

A Congressional commission recommended earlier this year that the tax actually be increased by 5 cents a years for the next five years in order to pay for essential infrastructure improvements.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu7HH4BhIOO8ArzdXNyoA?p=commission+gas+tax+increase+congressional&fr=yfp-t-501&ei=UTF-8

[Barack_America]

43. Price of vanilla cappucino? $1.23. End result? Change.

;)

[Coexist]

40. why did she need a personal assitant with her to pump gas?

If they left her/him behind, maybe they could've taken that gentleman's car.

Whats up with that?

[Barack_America]

46. That, um, would be Huma.

And I'll say nothing more than she is never left behind.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

48. Father in Heaven, I beseech thee

PLEASE let this be over, soon!
Amen.

[Hope And Change]

55. K & R!

:kick:

[Vinca]

56. Was she under sniper fire? That might have been interesting.

:rofl:

[high density]

61. I'm glad to read that guy doesn't regularly drive an F-250 to work

It all seems pretty silly.

[tammywammy]

67. All in all, I'd say it's silly

But then it's what politicians do. :) I'd have pushed the truck into the station if it was me getting a free tank.

[bigtree]

70. that wasn't a gas station?

gads. looked like one.

[walldude]

77. Big Deal.. photo op...

Christ this place is nuts. You want to go after Hillary do it on something with some actual substance. Her illustrating the high price of gas only helps us in November.

[Alii]

78. Actual substance?

How about Clinton and McCain's Gas Tax Holiday? An obfuscation in disguise. This makes that gas station visit even more ludicrous.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/30/expert-support-for-gas-ta_n_99474.html

Now, find one expert that would agree that this is economically sound.

And yet, you and your ilk will blindingly follow her to...

Actually she's going nowhere so why am I even bothering with stupidity?