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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:17 PM
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Has anyone posted about Obama supporting a gas tax holiday in Illinois?
If not, here it is...he was very proud of it at the time. Not sure if the link will work, so here's a snip.

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama accuses his presidential rivals of pandering to voters by supporting the "gimmick" of temporarily lifting federal taxes on gasoline, despite his own past support for a similar tax holiday.

As a state legislator voting for a tax break, Obama even joked that he wanted signs on gas pumps telling motorists that he was responsible for lowering prices.

Most experts criticize the idea of a federal tax suspension, but Obama's political opponents accuse him of flip-flopping and ignoring the financial pain caused by today's rising gas prices.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080430/ap_on_el_pr/obama_gas_tax_fact_check;_ylt=AlJ3vmfxKB6rdVafI06OQ6Ks0NUE
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:20 PM
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1. They tried it in Illinois, and it did not work
And he probably realized that, leading him to take a smarter position this time. What's the big deal?
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:22 PM
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2. I agree, but he needs to make that clear
Shouldn't be hard though.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:24 PM
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4. Should have come out and said this in the first place, that he was wrong
in the first place...now it comes out after the fact, and puts him on the defensive.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:23 PM
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3. Gee, maybe he should try to explain that and offer an alternative...
...instead of just griping about the proposal...I think it will not work myself (the holiday), but again here's a situation where BO may be on the right side of an issue, but gets put on the defensive. His campaign hasn't figured out that while defense wiins football games, offense wins elections.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:25 PM
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5. and he opposed making it permanent.
Also, I can understand a state legislature doing this, particularly when there is no long term solution forthcoming from Washington. The federal government, however, ought to be looking for long term, national solutions that obviate the need for local stopgap measures.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:30 PM
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7. But Obama is now calling it a "gimmick", he should just make the past clear
He might acknowledge that he thought it a good idea in the past and then explain why it is not a good idea now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:32 PM
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9. It's a gimmick, a cheap, pandering gimmick, people know that now.
They tried it it didn't work so to now push it when the facts are known, is pandering of the worst order.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:34 PM
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10. Yeah, he should have explained why he thought it wouldn't work...explained
his past support of it and so on INSTEAD of having this information come from somewhere else...this is basic, and his campaign doesn't seem to get that this puts him on the defensive.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:39 PM
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11. What's with you people.,..why should he have to explain every
thing he ever did in his life...people change and I know I have many times in my life...I even voted repug once...we learn from our experiences..
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:40 PM
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12. Unfortunately because the media plays "gotcha" politics nowadays.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:28 PM
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6. Ah geeze ....... not another amateur mistake ...............


Ted Mack must be smiling.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:58 PM
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13. Nah, I think he's ready to go pro...
There's more to come.

One can get a long way being on every side of most issues, but at some point one gets tangled in the Maypole ribbons...

Some choice.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 06:30 PM
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8. He was a young State Senator
and then he grew up, became a U.S. Senator, and realized how stupid an idea it was.

Obama Voted For A Gas Tax Holiday Which Required That Gas Retailers Had To Indicate That Retailers Post On The Pump That "The Price On This Pump Should Reflect The Elimination Of The Tax," Which Obama Specifically Called Attention To In The Press. Obama voted in favor of amending the Use Tax Act, the Service Use Tax Act, the Service Occupation Tax Act, and the Retailers' Occupation Tax Act. The bill provided that beginning October 1, 2000, the tax imposed by the Acts on the sale of motor fuel and gasohol shall be reduced to 1.25% from the rate of 6.25%. The bill provided for the reversion of the rate to 6.25% if a certain tax revenue growth is not attained. Within 14 days after the effective date of this amendatory Act of the 91st General Assembly, each retailer of motor fuel and gasohol shall cause the following notice to be posted in a prominently visible place on each retail dispensing device that is used to dispense motor fuel or gasohol in the State of Illinois: ‘As of July 1, 2000, the State of Illinois has eliminated the State's share of sales tax on motor fuel and gasohol through December 31, 2000. The price on this pump should reflect the elimination of the tax.' The notice shall be printed in bold print on a sign that is no smaller than 4 inches by 8 inches. The sign shall be clearly visible to customers. Any retailer who fails to post or maintain a required sign through December 31, 2000 is guilty of a petty offense for which the fine shall be $500 per day per each retail premises where a violation occurs. Chicago Defender reported, "Obama (D-13th) said the bill gives customers needed temporary relief from high gas prices. ‘Gas retailers must post on each pump a statement that indicates that the state tax has been suspended and that this temporary elimination of the tax should be reflected in the price per gallon of gas,' said Obama." (91st GA, SB 1310, 3/8/00, 3R P; 50-0-6 (BO: Y); PA 91-0872, 6/29/00; Chicago Defender, 7/1/2000)

Obama Voted Against Permanently Eliminating Illinois' Gas Tax, Saying That The Temporary Elimination Of The Tax Had "Not Been Passed Onto The Consumer." In 2000, Obama voted against a bill to make permanent the elimination of the State's portion of the tax on motor fuel and gasohol (now, the tax reverts to 6.25% on January 1, 2001). Obama said on the floor that there was an organization called "the Illinois Tax Accountability Project, that is in the process of trying to track the gap between wholesale prices and prices at the pump during the period since we took this – we removed this tax, and what they have found so far –and the study is not yet complete, but apparently it appears that any decline in prices at the pump have been perfectly matched by declines at the wholesale level...That would indicate, at least at this point, that the elimination of the tax has not been passed on to the consumer." (91st GA, SB 1867, 11/15/00, 3R P; 46-12-0; Session Sine Die, 1/9/01)

Ø 2001: The Hill Noted Illinois' Experiment With Gas Tax Repeal Had Failed In Article About Calls For Gas Tax Cut. "Even though Dick Morris overlooks the fact that a bipartisan Senate voted against cutting the federal gas tax three times in 2000 ("Gas tax is the real tax cut issue," May 23), here are 10 good reasons why cutting the gas tax remains a bad idea this year: 1. The federal gas tax, unchanged since 1993, has nothing to do with the increase in gasoline prices in 2001; 2. The federal government cannot guarantee that gas prices would drop at the pump with a tax suspension. Temporary state gasoline sales tax repeals in Illinois and Indiana last summer offered little relief for motorists. The average price of gasoline in both states continued to increase during the period the tax cuts were in place - about 20 cents per gallon; 3. If the savings were passed on to motorists, what happens when the suspension is lifted? Americans would experience, in one day, the largest spike in the price of gasoline - 18.4 cents per gallon - in U.S. history. Think of the outrage that would cause; 4. Suspending the federal gas tax places billions of dollars in future funding for state highway and mass transit programs at risk. Uncertainty about the federal government's financial commitment will disrupt state programs, jeopardizing several hundred thousand American jobs." (The Hill, 5/30/010)

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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 07:02 PM
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14. Has anyone posted about Hillary opposing a repeal of the gas tax
in her 2000 Senate campaign?

"Mrs. Clinton, of New York, has also taken varying stands on the issue of gas taxes. In her 2000 Senate campaign, she spoke against repealing the federal gasoline tax, calling it “one of those few taxes that New York actually gets more money from Washington than we send.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/us/politics/29campaign.html

Obama saw it didn't work and learned. Clinton has been told by many that it won't work, and doesn't care, because she has to pander.
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