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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:46 AM
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Why are the people drooling over the chance to link Obama with Wright...
The same people demanding that we must have notarized evidence that Hillary personally authorized the felonious robo-calls in North Carolina?

I really want to know what causes these people to believe that knowing someone who uses his first amendment right to free speech is worse than having people running your campaign who are purposely committing felonies by lying to voters.

Thanks for all input.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:47 AM
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1. Crass political opportunism, hypocrisy, racism--take your pick.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:53 AM
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3. excuse me but the only hypocrite is obama and talk about
being a political opportunist that is obama...hell, we had this election won until obama decided to "unite us". and racism, oh help me L-rd. It is obama that sat on his ass for 16 years and listened to his mentor preach bigotry and racism and did not do a damn thing. Did not voice his displeasure or say this was wrong....the only time obama has is when this broke and he gave a speech but that was given to stop the bleeding.....

Robert Kennedy, another one of the kennedy clan that obama patterns himself after said, that if one sees or hears bigotry and racism in any shape or form a person is compelled to speak up then against it. Well, obama failed this test because for 16 years sat and heard this vile crap such as anti white, anti jew, anti israel comments. I say use this against him because he is a flawed candidate and should ever be honored with being the nominee of this party.....
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:58 AM
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8. I suppose you are without sin.
You have never associated with people or listened to views different from your own.

Congratulations on being so virtuous.

Just like RFK.

That's a hilarious example you choose to cite. For all his positives, RFK was hardly a saint.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:13 AM
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13. *plonk*
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:17 AM
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15. Hillary's not a hypocrite?
She's campaigning on ending the war she helped to start. Having an idiotic priest < Causing the needless deaths of thousands of people.


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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:29 AM
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16. There's a reason I no longer see that person's posts.
I logged out at the suggestion of another poster to see what they had written. There's nothing there but hatred and bitterness. Responding does nothing to make them better people.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:08 PM
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27. ...
!!!!!

:thumbsup:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:49 PM
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32. Thank you. All the most active features of the Clinton campaign.
She should have run as a Republican. She would have beat Mccain's @ss and I hate that expression.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:51 AM
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2. Nothing can top Obma's association with Wright..
had Wright been a passing acquaintance, he might have been forgiven. It's the 20 yr associative millstone around his neck, plus the fact his children have been exposed all their young lives to this rabid HATE America speech. There is little left in redeeming qualities to revive Obama's campaign to it's former front runner status.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:59 AM
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10. How do you feel about Hillary's association with the Fellowship, oh Ye Who is Without Sin?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:01 PM
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24. Hillary doesn't have a "spiritual adviser" neither does McCain..
certainly no one is their associate who promotes Hating America and the government Aids conspiracy theory floated by Wright.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:11 PM
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19. if wright and trinity church were *really* so hateful, you'd think there
would be more outrage in the community, and from the UCC denomination.
Maybe there actually *is* a lot of outrage, but the pro-obama press has been covering it up?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:05 PM
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26. apparently, the Congregation agrees with Wright's philosophy..
hence the connection to Obama. One would ask, if Obama was in fact a Patriot who cares about and loves his country, why didn't he leave the Hate rhetoric at Wright's doorstep like anyone who didn't agree with Wright would have...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:19 PM
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20. So, how does the Tuzla liar beat an ex-POW? n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:11 PM
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28. Tuzla was a mistatement..
In Hillary's autobiography, the circumstance of her Bosnia visit is stated correctly as it happened. Plus she cleared that up with that exact statement at her last debate. Hillary may have heard gunfire happening from miles away and associated that memory at the time she made the misstatement; especially after it was revealed the chopper pilot made a forced corkscrew landing which is a scarry enough experience in itself.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:36 PM
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29. So she repeated it three more times after th YouTube video proving the contrary--
--already had more than a million hits?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:42 PM
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33. The Truth is in print..in her book..
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 03:09 AM
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40. So why did she repeat the lie fout times?
One time is a mistake, two times is another mistake, and three times is a policy.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:54 AM
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4. .
You have found the two of the biggest hypocrites with your OP. Take your pick what motivates them. (see above)

Nice work.

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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:56 AM
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5. I see ignored people
Try it. You'll like it.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:56 AM
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6. .
I'm about to.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:58 AM
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9. There.
Much better.

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:15 AM
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14. I logged out to see who you were talking about.
They are the worst of a bad lot, aren't they?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:44 AM
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18. Two of the four worst.
Race-baiters and disinformation peddlers.
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:34 PM
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22. Agreed. I put that person on ignore a long time ago
nt
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:57 AM
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7. How about the President himself and all the crimes committed?
How about saying if Obama disowns Wright Obama will put this thing to rest once and for all?

Obviously it doesn't matter what is done. MSM are monsters, and when they said Clinton is a monster then what else would you think for someone who attacks a man of God.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:59 AM
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11. Pointing out a 20 year relationship is not considered drooling. nt
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:07 AM
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12. It is when you point it out 20 times.
The rabid, right wing hatred of Democratic values that has seeped into DU is very disturbing.

I also notice that you didn't bother to respond to the actual question. That wouldn't have been deliberate, would it? :shrug:
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:38 AM
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17. As expected, not one person has been able to justify their obvious hypocrisy.
Only in the strange world of hyper-partisan politics can someone bash free speech while ignoring felony vote suppression.

Seems very republican to me.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:20 PM
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21. this is just my opinion...
but I think some people would like to portray Obama as an angry black man, it would help their cause, scare the white people. Since they haven't been able to accomplish this, they CAN do the next best thing and link him to an angry black man, guilt by association..it's all they've got.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:47 PM
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31. I think you're right.
I don't believe that most Clinton supporters are racist and I don't believe the Clinton's are, either. I do, however, believe that the Clinton campaign has been using racist talking points and subtle innuendo a major part of their campaign because they know it plays into the inherent prejudice we all have within us. The angry black man elicits that visceral response.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:36 PM
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23. Some of them truly believe that they are saving us from ourselves
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:03 PM by Hansel
and the ends justify the means. No one is really foolish enough to believe the 2 are anywhere nears comparable. But the "hey, look over there!" distraction has worked since Reagan's time and many of Clinton's supporters have embraced it.

While everyone is arguing and wringing their hands about Rev Wright, the right wing and Clintons can do whatever they want under the radar. It is naive to believe that the rash of Rev Wright posts on this blog and many others are not coordinated attempts by the Clinton campaign to demoralize and suppress voter turnout right before the next several primaries. Since they are using Rovian tactics in every other way, why would they skip using this technique. The best thing Obama supporters can do is start more pro Obama threads and stop trying to make Obama's case regarding Wright. You are not going to change most of the "Clinton supporters" minds about Wright, because they already know it is a bogus issue. Their goal is to demoralize and it's all they've got.

The right has been using this technique forever. Bush could eat a baby on the White House lawn and Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Lielly would immediately counter how they have footage of Obama knocking over some kid at a rally. Never mind that it was an accident. These 2 things would be considered comparable and since Obama is the Democrat, his infraction would be worse.

The Clintons are really no different from the Lee Atwater's and Karl Rove's of the world. It's not good for our country and is the reason I support Obama over Clinton.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:02 PM
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25. because he is relatively unknown, and those he surrounds himself with are an insight into who he is
you are judged by the company you keep.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM
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30. By your standard Hillary keeps company with criminals and vote suppressors.
Do you not see your hypocrisy? You're making any excuse possible so that you don't have to admit that you're wrong.

Once again, the difference is between knowing someone who speaks his mind and someone who illegally suppresses votes. How do you justify that?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:45 PM
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34. and someone that files lawsuits with no founding and no evidence to extend voting hours in heavy AA
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:45 PM by Texas Hill Country
districts is soooooo much better. And that is HIM doing this... the robo-calls are not directly affiliated with her campaign.


get off the high horse...


and that doesnt even mention the fact that Obama did way shitty things to get to the Senate in the first place...


you candidate is far from an angel, he is a Chicago machine politician
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:29 PM
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38. So you don't think that African Americans should be able to vote when given lesser equipment?
Interesting that you want to change the rules of the entire primary process to suit your candidate but then suppress the minority vote. It says quite a bit right there.

As for the rest of it, you don't even make sense. You seem to be claiming that Obama is a corrupt politician by claiming that all politicians in a reliably Democratic city are corrupt and making vague assertions without even a pretense of proof.

Lastly, you have the gall to act like there's nothing wrong with these robo-calls because we don't have proof that Hillary actually authorized them directly even though her henchmen are all over it. That goes beyond naive and into maliciously ignorant.

There's really nothing in what you've said that doesn't sound racist and hyper-partisan. Nothing.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:47 PM
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35. When O'Reilly's first question to Hillary was, "What's with this Wright guy" (paraphrased)
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:50 PM by jenmito
and part of her answer was that she'd leave that for the VOTERS to decide. :wtf: do VOTERS have to do with Rev. Wright? Do they have to decide whether or not they want to vote for him?! Why couldn't she have taken the high road (the Dem. road) and said, "Why are you asking me about someone else's ex-pastor?"
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:52 PM
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36. Turn that around- Why are people drooling over the chance to link Hillary with the
robo-calls in NC?

The same people who dismiss any connection to a man who personally, and from the warmth of his own home, launched the political career, served on education panels, and shared time on boards with Obama want to prosecute Hillary for phone calls made from some company that has some kind of tenuous link to somebody Hillary knew at one time?
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:32 PM
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39. Um...because voter suppression is a felony and her cronies have their fingerprints all over it.
That a good enough reason for you or is it just so much more important to try to suppress someone's right to free speech?

So what is it, 2rth2pwr? Do you support felonious voter suppression and the suppression of free speech as well?

Ironic name you've chosen for yourself. I guess it's only YOUR truth that should have power, huh?
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:01 PM
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37. It's because they've got nothing
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:01 PM by TragedyandHope
They don't have a snowball's chance in Guam of winning the nomination on issues, policy or the character of their candidate.
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