Little turd in my inbox this morning

[mountainvue]

"I knew it! Kerry is a conservative

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From the horse's mouth:

"I'm a hunter. I'm a gun owner. A lot of people on the left don't like that, but that's who I am," he said.

The Massachusetts senator has already begun his effort to broaden his political reach. During a recent swing through the Midwest, where he tramped around farms and toted a shotgun on a trap-shooting range, Kerry said that he represented "conservative values," and emphasized his personal opposition to abortion.

Conservative values!? Yeah, well, stick 'em, pal.

So let's review. Kerry...

--Voted to attack Iraq.
--Opposes withdrawing from Iraq.
--Supports Sharon and the Bush roadmap for the Palestine conflict.
--Supports the Israel's "security fence" that is strangling the Palestinians even though he told Palestinians last year that it was not needed.
--Is "pro-life," saying he believes life begins at conception.
--Opposes gay marriage.
--Voted for the Patriot Act.
--Voted for No Child Left Behind.

Gotta love those Democrats for giving the voters a real alternative."


Sigh. We've got a long road ahead of us folks.:mad:

[JaySherman]

1. Don't let it get to you.

This propaganda trash isn't worth breaking sweat over. I wouldn't be surprised if these mass hate e-mails are produced and distributed from deep within the bowels of Karl Rove's office.

Just delete it and move on.

[Sugarbleus]

2. I hear ya....another thread is showing a link claiming Kerry is a

SOCIALIST. bwahahahahhhaahahah! geeeez he ain't no socialist that's for sure.

I'm not happy about a few of the things on this list. Not bothered about others. In any case, I have to go with him just to get the FASCIST PIGS OUT of office! I'm willing to give him a chance to see if he has a secret ace up his sleeve that all of us will like.

Beyond that, we have to keep up the hard business of working with our local/federal representatives to make things happen. If things don't pan out like I prefer, I will work for third parties next time--look to change my party affiliation. Things HAVE to change sooner or later, I'm sick of waiting.

[punpirate]

3. Yes, we have a long road ahead...

... especially if you can't admit that some of this is true.

What needs to be done is to get Kerry onto our side, instead of the DLC's. He'll get more votes that way than any other way.

Kerry (and all Democrats) need to remember Truman's homily: "The voter, given a choice between a Democrat who talks like a Republican and a Republican, will choose the real Republican every time."

Hard as it is to take, Kerry is too conservative to garner votes from that huge bloc of disenchanted voters. As with every other Democrat in the last twenty-five years, he's fighting for that precious, tiny middle-of-the-road voter, instead of winning over the 70 million outsiders to the political process.

Kerry's always had a reputation as a strong finisher, though. If he isn't, this time, we're all fucked, and if we are, it's probably because Kerry is trying to out-conservative the conservatives.

You may not like the tone of what this guy sent you, but he's not all wrong. Kerry is the best chance we have of pitching Bush out on his gilded-lily ass, but Kerry's not particularly progressive, and right now, he's playing a losing game--precisely the same game Gore played--right up until Gore figured out what a populist, progressive message should be.

Cheers.

[DieboldMustDie]

4. Kerry is a conservative?

The ADA -- lifetime rating 92% -- and ACU -- lifetime rating 5% -- both disagree with that assessment. :shrug:

[Dr Fate]

5. Reply: Kerry is a moderate with Liberal leanings. JFK is PRO CHOICE

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Most of your "review" is distortion, and even an outright falsehood .Kerry is Pro-Choice in the political sense of the word. As soon as I spotted that lie, I disregarded the rest of your post.

Stop lying and making distorted generalizations aout Kerry.

Mike Moore & Dr Fate are also gun enthusists.

Most Southerners I know own guns, Democrat or Republican.

Kennedy also voted for NCLB- They made a mistake in trusting Bush would fund the damn thing- but that does not make them GOP.

"Conservative values" are nothing more than RESPECT for time honored institutions in our culture. I sure hope Kerry does represent those values of civic duty, charity, community service, respect for people's faith, etc- because the neo-cons do not.

[Romulus]

6. but why "Conservative values"?

"Conservative values" are nothing more than RESPECT for time honored institutions in our culture.

Why don't we counter the so-called "conservative values" label by properly labeling these "American values" or something? :shrug:

[Dr Fate]

7. Great idea- we DO need to take these things back...

I agree with you- I would like Kerry to mix what I said with what you said so that Liberals will be so knee-jerk when Kerry expresses this...

I think you are absolutely right- but we need to make it clear that whatever we are calling it, Bush does NOT represent it.

[sangh0]

8. Why "Conservative values"?

Because it's an attempt to show that what Bush* calls "conservative" is in reality "radical". You don't counter the Repukes false "conservative" values by leaving the term for them to define.

[mountainvue]

10. Thanks Dr. Fate!

And all of you who responded. There are some out there who will find fault no matter what.

[OnionPatch]

9. A heck of a lot of Dems are hunters and gun owners

including myself and my husband.

NCLB might not be so bad if it were FUNDED. Did Kerry know it wouldn't be funded when he voted on it?

I might have voted on the war too if I had been fed all the bull**** congress was fed.

I also believe life begins at conception but consider it a religious belief and would never force it on someone else.

The Patriot Act was shoved through congress just as they were experiencing the Anthrax attack. (This was done PURPOSEFULLY, in my opinion; I'm full of conspiracy theories as to who sent the anthrax and why.)

I also don't think we should withdraw from Iraq completely until there is a stable government in place.

I don't have a problem with most of these stands and I consider myself quite liberal. (Gee, maybe I'm not as liberal as I thought!) I'm not that concerned with Kerry not being quite as liberal as I am. This is a huge country with millions of people whose opinions count as much as mine.