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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:25 PM
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Kerry needs to turn this Berger thing around ...
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 04:26 PM by annxburns
.... to his advantage.

He should just come out and say "I've learned of the investigation yesterday along with all of you. Sandy was not a paid advisor to my campaign, rather an informal advisor. He has stepped down as such until he can clear this up. Obviously, I take the handling and security of OUR INTELLIGENCE ASSETS very, very seriously. From what I understand, Sandy is cooperating fully with the federal gov't and I hope he continues to do so"

Okay, Berger gets tossed a little, but Kerry can point to the fact that he, unlike Bush and the Plame thing, expects the people around him to adhere to the highest standards and protect the security assets of the country - unlike Bush.
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azmesa207 Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:42 PM
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1. Kerry needs to turn this Berger thing around
Kerry does not have to do anything Berger did nothing wrong get a grip
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:20 PM
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7. Berger did nothing wrong? Are you friggin KIDDING?
By his own admission, he violated protocol by taking personal notes (reflecting the contents of top secret government documents) with him without approval. By his own admission, he "inadvertantly" took copies of top secret national security memos with him. By his own admission, he carelessly discarded some of this top secret material.

Sorry, but at best, Berger is guilty of gross incompetence. That's bad enough in my book.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:18 PM
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17. By His Own Admission? Show Us Direct Quotes
you post this false assertion with no evidence to back you up.

We have NO IDEA what actually happened.

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Ronin1 Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:42 PM
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2. Kerry needs to distance himself. But........
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 04:50 PM by Ronin1
Hard to do when the networks are running the confab around the model sailboat 100 times a day. Not good if the Repubs find he was paid afterall.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 04:44 PM
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3. Maybe,
Might be a good strategy. Berger would probably have no problem with it anyway, he'd probably enjoy stuffing it to them for a change.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:02 PM
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4. Expect more of this from the Rove black ops teams. Only hope
dems Dems have been smart enought to have counter ops and their own
black ops going.

This is the real world guys.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:08 PM
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5. Berger was doing nothin for Kerry while he was doing his report
But for the Clinton Administration. This is nothing that will stick to Kerry.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:15 PM
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6. Berger is an honorable man
Who in the Justice Deparment leaked this stuff about an event that happened back in October?

There is more here than what the media is telling us, and the wrongdoing was not the inadvertent mistake that Berger made, but the leak to the press.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:27 PM
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8. I may be naive but I just don't see voters caring much about this.
There are many worse events that many of them are still not concerned about.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 05:34 PM
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9. Most voters can't find the English Channel on a map!
and many of them are still convinced that Saddam piloted one of the planes that hit the WTC.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:11 PM
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12. 'honorable man'......since when does that make any difference to BFEE???
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 06:13 PM
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10. The freepers will spin this as well
for example "How could Kerry not have know about this until now? How could Kerry not have know that an advisor of his had his house raided by the FBI searching for classified archive documents? Is he incompetent?"... and so forth. I think Kerry's chance to really take advantage of this was gone when it became public from someone other than his campaign. Now it's just damage control. In the end, I don't think it's going to be an issue, but we'll hear about it for the next few days.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 06:33 PM
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11. I agree. Use it to bring up Plame.
It's such a stark contrast with Bush.

Bush, a sitting president, has two senior officials who outed a covert agent. They are not merely informal advisors. They are in Bush's administration.
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Still_Loves_John Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:49 PM
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13. Meh, I'm not really that worried about it.
It's not sexy enough to dominate the news cycle, and it seems more like a case of incompetance than conspiracy. Kerry has enough distance from Berger for the average voter, and once the 9/11 report comes out this thing will get knocked off the news cycle.

I'm sure Rush Limbaugh will be ranting about it for a while, but as long as nothing new develops it won't stay around for very long.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 07:51 PM
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14. Hmm, Are The Chances Now Improved That The Contents Of Those Docs Will Be
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 07:52 PM by Beetwasher
made public?

I wonder...

Is Berg taking one for the team? I think this is a possbility that can't be over looked...Stay tuned...
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:51 PM
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15. This is inside politics
Your average Joe Schmo could care less about this. Kerry should just ignore it. The Repugs are trying to draw him into a fight to keep it in the news. Berger will be cleared (if he hasn't already) and it will go away!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 09:25 PM
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16. You Want Kerry To Flip The Berger ???
I think that could be used against us, and would be seen as a flop.

GET A FUCKING GRIP!!!

:wtf:
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:21 PM
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18. Berger is out . . .
Good riddance to the pro-war apologist who guided Kerry's platform efforts in Miami a couple weeks back. Now if only the platform could be jettisoned as quickly.
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