Doonesbury's Trudeau comments on Dean....funny. On Bush...scary.

[madfloridian]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=6298171&rnd=1089921445474&has-player=true

SNIP.."You were two years behind Bush at Yale?

And four years behind Kerry. Joe Lieberman was also at Yale, and Howard Dean was in my class. My feeling is, there should have been a cap this year on Yale graduates running for president . Howard Dean I knew quite well from boyhood. We'd gone to a summer camp together. When Howard became governor, he told some reporter that he'd gotten his sense of humor from me. I wrote him and said, "That's utter bullshit. When you knew me as a teenager, I didn't have a sense of humor. Life was much too grim."

I think Howard did an astonishing thing with his campaign. When people look back at 2004, it'll be obvious just how much he turned an election that Bush could have walked away with into a real competition. He forced everybody to take on the war issue. And his fine, righteous anger got the base motivated, in a way that might not otherwise have happened....."

About Bush, one comment struck me..
SNIP..."He could also make you feel extremely uncomfortable. He was very good at all the tools for survival that people developed in prep school -- sarcasm, and the giving of nicknames. He was extremely skilled at controlling people and outcomes in that way. Little bits of perfectly placed humiliation...."

[jpgray]

1. I'm not sure Kucinich could have brought the war issue to bear by himself

DK's a great guy, but he simply didn't have mainstream appeal, and Howard had enough of that to really force the issue.

[Radical Activist]

6. Kucinich forced Dean to the left on the war and other issues

when Dean wavered and starting moving back to the middle. Sharpton and Kucinich kept several of the leading candidates honest. After all, Dean supports the continued occupation of Iraq just as much as Kerry and Bush do.

[madfloridian]

7. Well, now Kucinich is doing just like Dean.

He is supporting Kerry. Dean always from day one said we should not just pull out and leave a shambles. He has been upfront about it.

[Radical Activist]

8. My post had nothing to do with supporting Kerry

I refered to moving to the middle on the issues. Kucinich said he would support the nominee from day one also. I'm not sure what endorsing the nominee has to do with my comment about Kucinich and Sharpton forcing Dean to move to the left during the primary. :shrug:

[madfloridian]

9. I am not sure what your post had to do with my original either.

I posted about what Trudeau said about Dean and Bush. I did not mention Kucinich.

However, I would imagine Kucinich would not be able to speak out on bringing out the troops from Iraq now.

[spooky3]

2. I think this is a dupe, link inside.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=62600

[jonnyblitz]

3. I like what Trudeau said about Dean

Dean wasn't my ideal candidate based on some of his prior positions on the issues but he sure got the people on our side riled up and motivated and ready to fight the good fight and that ALONE makes me respect him more then any of the other bland ass "worried about what the swing(freeper)voters think" pussies. I could never understand the venom so many had here at DU for somebody who did so much to get the ball rolling energy wise to fight bush. He has even been out there supporting and doing everything he can for Kerry and the Deanophobes on here STILL get all pissy and snarky over Dean.

[mzmolly]

4. I did not know Trudeau was married to Jane Pauly. Interesting read.

Thanks :hi:

[madfloridian]

5. I did not know that either, about Jane Pauley.

I thought it was a good article.