I am so fucking sick of this "Obama can't win in November" BULLSHIT

[Hugabear]

That's exactly what that meme is - PURE BULLSHIT.

After 4 years of Bush, and the GOP offering up Ebenezer Scrooge (who, incidentally much of the GOP absolutely despises), and some of you idiots don't think that we can win? YES WE CAN.

I don't know where this misconception comes from. Is it that some of you assume that Obama won't attract anyone who voted for Hillary? Aside from a few extremist sour-grapes people, Obama should have no problem getting her supporters. It's just like how I've heard the argument that Hillary needs to be the candidate, because she's won the "important" states like California and New York. Do you really think that McCain is actually going to pick up all these traditionally blue states? Not only should Obama win all of our traditionally blue states, I really think that he can pick up some of the all-important Southern states as well. You know, those "black states" that some Hillary supporters tend to dismiss?

Finally, there's this to ponder. If Hillary can't even win the nomination, what makes anyone think that she'd have a chance in November? And before anyone comes back with "How come Obama hasn't wrapped up the nomination yet", it would have been easier if he didn't have Hillary attacking him every step of the way.

So please, let's put this "Obama can't win" meme to bed. YES HE CAN. and YES HE WILL.

[FrenchieCat]

1. Yep....Bullshit that only hurts us as a party.....

so its ironic that those who call themselves Democrats are the loudest voice in the choir repeating the stuff, you so aptly call; Bullshit!

[democracy1st]

46. whats ironic is Obama won the sections that will actually vote democratic in Nov

[wileedog]

2. Obama can't win the Primary!!!!!

How many of you would have agreed with with that statement in December? I would have.

[Patchuli]

5. Not me!

I heard the man speak in 2004 and was suitably awed and expecting him to run. People want change.

And just for the record, I initially supported John Edwards since Gore won't run.

[Hieronymus]

32. So many Hillary supporters never figured out why Joe Scarborough

has been campaigning for Hillary. They are ready for her .. loaded for bear.

[jasmine621]

33. Please stop the negative hype. Hillary is NOT attacking Obama on every turn.

she is promoting herself (which is what you do in an election). She has been saying very supportive things about Obama including that she will work her heart out for the Dem nominee no matter what. You people (Obama supporters) are the ones who keep the negativity going and are making it very hard for many Clinton supporters to feel welcome in the party anymore.

[democracy1st]

44. Richard Mellon Scaife,Bill Kristol,Operation Chaos yea those Obama supporters are scum!

[Gore1FL]

3. It's especially bullshit considering

John McCain is running almost unopposed right now and Obama still beats him.

It hink many here have transitioned from denial to anger and now to bargaining.

[hillsidestrangler]

15. I concur. After this nomination process is complete, I think that

democrats everywhere will coalesce around Obama. The ones that will resist are probably republican shills anyway. I think after eight years of Bush's bullshit, people are wanting to try something a bit different this fall and Obama is precisely that. With a VP like Wesley Clark, we should be sitting pretty in November. No matter how many times the MSM choose to raise this electability idea as a serious issue the fact remains, it is a lie.

[Hugabear]

19. Did you see McCain's results in the latest GOP primaries?

Huckabee and Ron Paul are STILL getting significant votes! GOP types can't stand this guy.

[anigbrowl]

20. I think they're in Depression myself.

[ORDem]

21. Hillary only won Independents in 4 states so far. Think about that! nt

[Birthmark]

4. You think you hate it now...

...wait until McCain is sworn in.

[texastoast]

6. I think you can relax

With Obama as the candidate, lots of Texas Repubs will be staying home, unlike they told me they would do if Clinton got the nom. Just what I've heard.

[Patchuli]

7. I don't think American wants McBush.

Even his own party dislikes him.

[donheld]

49. You'll love seeing your man sworn in won't you?

[Birthmark]

54. Of course

Because anyone and everyone who has the slightest doubt that Obama is the Messiah MUST be a right-winger, right?

If a cure for idiocy comes along, I certainly hope you'll take a dose or two.

[40ozDonkey]

8. They just want attention. Same as always.

When Obama wins they'll be the first to bleat how he'll discourage progressive values or only be a one term president. It's not about anything other than them, same as always.

[Clear Blue Sky]

9. Either one CAN win.

We'll see who wants it more. Who runs a better campaign. Who connects with the voters.

It's dangerous to "assume" Obama will win. Conventional wisdom last year was that Hillary would easily be the nominee and that McCain definitely would not.

Point is that we have to keep working hard to make it happen.

[nomorewhopper]

10. obama is going to wipe the floor with mccain

its going to happen

he is going to be president

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

11. Neat.

Obama's going to make history, but bitter internet creatures can be assured that their protests will be duly noted.

[Mezzo]

12. Paint your Obama 2008 Electoral map, please.

I'm very interested to know which state W carried in '04 that he can carry instead of McCain.

on the serious.

[scheming daemons]

17. Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Iowa, New Mexico

All of those are DEFINITELY in play for Obama.



....and he'll likely win every state that Kerry won as well.

[w13rd0]

22. Don't forget Missouri...

...yes, I'm aware of our reputation, and the Ozarks, but dammit, I should be in a swing state.

[NJSecularist]

13. No reasons for why Obama can win the nomination?

Just "Yes We Can"??

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Telly Savalas]

14. Face it. Clinton is the superior campaigner.

Just look at the results in North Carolina if you don't believe me.

[democracy1st]

45. LOL

:rofl:

[peoli]

16. Theres a new reason why he cant win every week since last year....

and he just keeps heading toward the finish line leaving all these 'reasons' in the dust.

[smalll]

18. Not bullshit -- the Truth.

And not because of the CA and NY primaries -- of course he would take those. And not because of sour-grapes Hillarites; we'll come around.

It's because this man who fell to earth -- this man who rose fully-formed out of nowhere -- this man so fuckin' RANDOM that at first he seemed he could rise above us and represent us all -- this half-Kansan half-Kenyan, via Hawaii, and Indonesia, and California, and the Ivies, and Chicago --

turns out, he's not the social unifier he seemed to be at first. Turns out, not only did he decide to plant himself foursquare in the African-American community, he consciously set down roots in an adamantly (how would Michelle put it in her Princeton thesis? Oh yeah --) SEPARATIST section of that community.

AND, it turns out, he is not a broadcaster, he is a narrow-caster, after all: he appeals to the the latte liberals, and to the African-Americans. We've never had a latte liberal who appealed to black people before -- (viz., Dean.) But now, by random fate, we have one. YOU CAN CAPTURE THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION ON THAT COALITION, BUT YOU CANNOT CAPTURE THE WHITE HOUSE ON IT.


On Edit: Also, picking up southern states? That's a laugh and a half.

[roseBudd]

23. And you are? And we should hold your opinion in the highest regard because?

[donheld]

50. When are you going to join McCain's campaign?

[jillan]

24. I hope you're right - because if you think the Dem party is divided now -

just wait to see what happens if he can't pull it off.

[Kokonoe]

25. I don't know where this misconception comes from?

Well it may have started with Hillary

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/hillary-clinton-barack-ob_n_94770.html

[TragedyandHope]

26. Yeah, it's wearing a hole in the carpet

"The frontrunner can't win! The frontrunner can't win! The nominee can't win!"

:boring:

[MagickMuffin]

27. VISUALIZE, here's a pic ;=D

[BzaDem]

28. People say it because of posts like these.

Posts like these say "McCain's such a badddd candidate... therefore, therefore, he muuuuuust lose! He must!"

Just more bullshit conflation of what should be with what will be, with no substance or analysis.

When this is the best Obama supporters can put up, for why Obama can win, that's why people question him. Anyone who analyzed the electoral maps knows Obama (at the very least) has an uphill battle because of the way the electoral college works.

[chknltl]

29. I was asked to explain to a Clinton supporter HOW Obama could win:

Here is HOW and WHY Senator Obama will win the nomination come November:

Those voters who have lost their jobs because of the bush policies are considerable in numbers...they will be voting AGAINST more bush policies.

Those voters who have sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, or even friends who have served more than one term in Iraq or Afghanistan are considerable in numbers...they will be voting AGAINST bush's fiasco in the Middle East.

Those voters who have lost their homes or are close to losing their homes because of bush's economics and they are considerable in numbers...they will be voting AGAINST bush's failed economics plans.

Those voters who have children who may be old enough to go off to war soon and they are considerable in numbers... they will be voting to keep their children safe from bush's fiasco war.

Those voters with enough education to see that our very Constitution is being undermined by bush and they are considerable in numbers... they will be voting AGAINST a continuance of this attack upon our Constitution.

Those voters who are sick of politics as usual and they are considerable in numbers...won't be sitting home this time around and they will be voting AGAINST the usual politicians.

Each and every one of these particular voters will vote for Senator Obama because it is a vote AGAINST what mCcain promises: MORE bush!

Would you bet that these voters could actually find reasons to vote FOR: More job loss? More tours of duty in combat zones for their sons and daughters? More homes lost to foreclosures? More attacks on our Constitution? More wars? More politics as usual? I wouldn't bet that to be in our future.

Did you notice that I haven't even brought up Democrats or Republicans until now? This is no longer about Republicans and Democrats, it is about Americans and the suffering that we have each been forced to endure! Republicans will be voting in staggering numbers for Barrack Obama because they understand now how their democracy or their children or their wallets or their jobs have been so damaged by the bush agenda...they will want NONE of this.

Did you notice that I have not even said one word yet about his supporters? WE ARE LEGION!!! Did you catch Senator Obama's speech at the 04 convention? I knew then and there that I was watching a VERY unique man who could lead this nation to greatness! I wanted him to be the Democratic Nominee even more than I wanted Kerry after that speech. Did you catch this man's speech regarding racism? He moved this nation in a way that it has only rarely been moved by the likes of RFK, JFK, MLK and Lincoln! Have you not seen the tens and hundreds of thousands who pack into his events just to hear him speak? They all but worship him!

The bush administration has now turned Republican supporters utterly against the Neo-Cons. The Democratic supporters will rally around our nominee in numbers heretofore unseen in our times! We The People will be turning out in numbers that are staggering and we will be doing this with one simple mission: THROW THE DAMNED BUMS OUT! What is painfully obvious to me from what I see right now, no matter how many Rev. Wrights get thrown at him, no matter how many votes get caged or stolen or electronically swapped, WE THE PEOPLE will be placing Barrack Obama in the White House!

You worry that the Neo-Cons will be doing what they do best and destroy Senator Obama...well I tell you that I DEARLY HOPE that they try to do just that! It will fail utterly, it will backfire, it will damage them even further and it will strengthen our nominee. Let the crooks come out and perform their crimes in the light of day where the electorate can plainly see them doing so....let the bully's get all belligerent against our nominee...it will cost them even more dearly, it will sink them even faster! Do not fear their attack machine, it will founder and break against this man.

May I predict that there will be Republican's in fear of losing their jobs come November throwing their own under the bus fairly soon? The bush crime family has wrecked the Republican Party and soon the very gates of Hell will open to swallow them for what they have done. This November there will be an utter blowout...the primary we endure now is not for the Democratic nominee, it is for the next President Of The United States and you know what? Even Senator mCcain knows this...he has been thrown under the bus once again.

That is HOW and WHY we will win in November. The job of President is no longer open for a Republican...they can no longer even take it away from our party! Their only hope is for Senator Obama to give it back to them....Senator Clinton is even now seeing the futility of that particular plan.

[jbm]

37. those are reasons why you feel you should win..

but that has nothing to do with winning an election. Showing how you can win an election means getting out a map, analyzing the demographics of each state, and showing proof that your candidate can draw a majority of those voters. It's the business plan of politics.

[chknltl]

40. I would love to see these reasons mapped out...

...not possible? Yet these reasons ARE in play. How would those demographic analysis you suggest, have predicted last night's election returns which clearly showed either Senator Clinton or Senator Obama utterly destroying Senator mCcain? When one combines Clinton's and Obama's returns, (numbers which should reasonably reflect Obama's numbers in the GE), the numbers against mCcain are truly staggering. I stand by my assertion that Obama will win by a landslide.

[musicblind]

41. I hope you're right, but that sounds like the same stuff people said about kerry vs bush in 2004

In fact, I was pretty much one of those people, and they/we were wrong. I've learned from my mistake. American's have NO problem voting against their best interest and will do so in mass.

[chknltl]

51. dupe. sorry

[chknltl]

52. This one feels different:

I too remember feeling justifiably optimistic back in 04. This feels different. I went to a Kerry speech during the run-up to GE in the second largest city in Washington State...it was held in a wing of a parking lot at the Tacoma Dome. I suspect if Senator Obama comes here during the run-up to the next GE it will be inside the Tacoma Dome and it will be packed with overflow standing in the adjacent convention center.

I am not trying to be stubborn, this one feels different. There is a surge of fairly substantial proportions turning out for the Democrats this time around. The pinch has hit the electorate fairly hard, unlike '04 we are in now a recession. Much of the overall electorate will be voting to stop the hemorrhage not to prevent one this time. These two groups will be added to what we had in '04. (I remind you that we 'almost' won that one despite the shennanigans...we don't need that much more to put us over the top this time around)

In the meanwhile the turnout for mCain has been substantially smaller than it was for bush. He is utterly hated by substantial numbers of the Republican base. Many if not most of that group REFUSES to vote for Senator mCcain. I only personally know 4 bush supporters, they voted for bush both times ENTHUSIASTICALLY. 3 of them will be voting for Obama this time...I can't even get the last guy to tell me if he will vote for mCcain, he refuses to even talk about politics with me right now...(btw: he fully believes in his rights to own his hand-guns and well, mCcain is no friend to hand-gun owners).

[D-Sooner]

30. What southern states do you think Obama can swing?

Not sarcastic--genuine question.

[Hugabear]

38. I think he can pick up a few

I don't see any reason why he couldn't pick up states like Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia. Maybe Texas, possibly Florida.

I think many of you will be very surprised.

People down here have absolutely no love whatsoever for McCain - not even conservatives.

[musicblind]

42. I'm from NC. He might MAYBE win NC. Here's the thing

we had 30 percent black turn out for the primary and they voted 90 percent for Obama. That's a good start. In the general, because the vast majority of blacks in tihs state are democrat, that will probably be about 15% of the NC vote. Maybe 20% because there will be blacks that did not vote this time around but will vote in the GE. Now we have to hope that Obama does not somehow lose an extra 20% to southern style racism in the state. We also have to hope that he can persuade a few republicans to cross over.

It is a POSSIBILITY that he COULD win NC. Something never all that possible for a Dem in previous years. But I would not say that it is a given he will win NC.

Though I think this is a very interesting topic, and this is the route he needs to go if he wants to become president.

[HuffleClaw]

31. well, except he can't and won't

MAYBE if GORE runs as his veep. He is gonna have the 'liberal media' against him the entire time (the same 'liberal media' that 'elected' bush and has kept him in office when they could have toasted him at virtually any time over any number of issues) and that, in the end is what will decide the race. People whine about the 'Wright issue' but don't seem to realize that Wright is small potatoes compared to what is coming once Obama is the nominee. Obama faced a few hard questions at ONE debate and nearly lost it. He's in for a lot worse and I doubt he's up to it.


oh, and before people start calling me a 'hillbot' or some such crap I don't think she'd win against McCain either. BOTH were selected by the media because they were the least experienced and the two least likely to win an election and from what I've seen 90+% of people fell for it hook, line and sinker. What is even funnier, but also tragic is how easily the media has divided the democrats into two warring camps. I'd have thought people would have seen through the charade but it hasn't happened yet.

[swishyfeet]

34. Debbie Downer?

Glad the two remaining candidates are a little more confident...

[HuffleClaw]

39. ??

[musicblind]

43. Yeah that was my reaction to?? You concerns about both candidates

were valid. I don't get why someone would just brush them off.

[eridani]

53. But we now have some organizing and info dissemination options--

--that were not available in 2004.

[cali]

55. nonsense without a scintilla of critical thinking.

Both Obama and Clinton can win and the political climate is heavily in their favor. And the simplistic meme that the MSM was the sole decider is simply lazy thinking.

[HuffleClaw]

56. the media was the 'sole decider' that kept bush in office for two terms

and ignored, for the most part, countless scandal and assorted criminal actions of the administration and its minions. They chose obama and hillary to be the 'front runners' to the exclusion of the others very deliberately and have succeeded in a plan to divide the democrats. What more proof do you need?

[bhikkhu]

35. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Reagan, and Hillary Clinton.

That's the four primary sources of the "unelectability" argument.

I'd like to say more, but I have nothing nice to say.

[BenDavid]

36. unless something changes between now and november and

I know a day in politics can change on a dime, but if things progress as they are, obama will lose in november.

oh and it will not have a damn thing to do about race. it will be people voting for the person they believe is the better qualified to lead this country at this point and time.

[Carrieyazel]

47. Obama has a hell of a lot of work to do. If the election were held today

and thank goodness it isn't, Obama would lose. He isn't winning any southern states, so he needs to look elsewhere to find some low-hanging fruit. He's behind in a number of the battlegrounds, so he needs to restart his campaign in these states to make up some ground.

[MarjorieG]

48. He can win. Especially if we publicly repeat it. How can HRC retract and say he is.

This is why having her out there is not a good idea.

[Left coast liberal]

57. "It will never work." said Eyore. Pessimists!