Obama/Dean 2008

[demwing]

I haven't seen this name floated yet. Whaddya think, is Dr. Dean still damaged by the scream?

When we think of VP choices, the conventional wisdom is to think of a person who can help deliver a geographical area. What if you choose a VP based on a demographic, or on a political philosophy? Of any pol I can imagine, Dean seems the most atuned to Obama's political goals and objectives, and so would be a natural fit on that front. Dean is populist, has direct experience a governor, and would be an invaluable partner in health care initiatives. Dean also has connections to every state party machine, and could help deliver MANY states.

What do you all think?

[JuniperLea]

1. Jesus Mary and Joseph!

Sorry, I channeled by grandmother for a second! :silly:


I like that. I love Dean.

[mcctatas]

3. My Grandma (God rest her soul) used to always say...

"Jesus, Mary and Joseph AND all the saints that are holy!" which always left me wondering which saints weren't holy...
:)

[Exilednight]

9. That depends on what Church you belong to. My Church doesn't have saints, so none of them are .....

holy. At least being a Lutheran has some redeeming qualities, I don't spend my days having to remember what each Saint is a patron of.

[Beregond2]

11. No,

to Lutherans, all Christians are saints. That's what the "communion of saints" means. So you don't get off the saint hook so easily; lol! (I was raised Lutheran.)

[CreekDog]

13. you're Lutheran? your church does have saints

in fact all the believers in your church are saints! :think:

and exemplars of the faith are specifically referred to as Saints, such as St. Paul, etc.

Martin Luther didn't ditch anything that was useful. The idea of Saints being higher than others in the faith, he ditched that, but the idea of Saints in general --well, he kept that one.

sorry for the digression. eat this stuff up. :hi:

ps-am Lutheran.

[Exilednight]

14. Allow me to clarify, we don't have saints like that of the Catholic Church n/t

[CreekDog]

15. yeah of course

:hi:

[mcctatas]

17. Yeah...

but since we're Catholic, (and when I was younger I really didn't know any non-Catholics), I thought at the time that ALL saints were holy, maybe one of her saints medallions didn't have the desired effect so somone was on her shit list? :shrug:

[fadedrose]

2. He was the FIRST to publically and bravely denounce the war..

I'd vote twice if he were on the ticket, jail or no jail :)

[gkhouston]

4. I think RW radio would have a custom-made clip of Wright saying,

"God damn America" followed immediately by the Dean scream and they would play the clip 200 times a day.

[demwing]

6. They will do similar shenanigans regardless

But I was worried about "The Scream"

[patrice]

7. You underestimate people. nt

[oxbow]

25. lol! I believe you're right.

I mean that one pretty much writes itself, doesn't it.

[patrice]

5. Hot! Hot! Hot! Hot! Hot! HOT!!! nt

[whistle]

8. You mean John Dean right? You can't possibly mean Howard Dean, man

...the last time something like that happened was when Darth Cheney appointed himself Bush's VP twice.

That would be viewed a really huge conflict of interest set-up. :wow:

[JaneQPublic]

10. I love Dr. Dean, worked my butt off for him in 2004, but. . .

I really think Obama needs someone with Foreign Affairs credentials on his ticket.

[barack the house]

16. Sen. Obama " I am very confident in foreign policy so my vp need not be expert in that area" ...

Napolitano to take McCain's state.

[nichomachus]

28. We're going up against a guy

who thinks we need the League of Nations to help us with Czechoslovakia.

[barack the house]

12. Dean would be ideal or at least should have a cabinet position.

[NewHampshireDem]

18. The appearance of impropriety is often as bad as impropriety itself

It would look like a payoff for 'fixing' the primaries for Obama. Taylor Marsh would have no end of intelligent things to say about it. :eyes:

[demwing]

19. How Could Dean Have "Fixed" The Primaries?

I understand you're not saying he did, only that there may be an appearance of impropriety. I'm just not clear on how such a thing could be accomplished by the party chair.

[NewHampshireDem]

42. Sorry not to have gotten back sooner ... missed your response

By 'fixed' I mean the eventual outcome of the FL/MI debacle.

No matter what is decided at this point--barring any of the absolutely ridiculous but unlikely proposals from some of HRC's more self-deluding supporters--Obama will be our nominee. So, the door is open for said self-deluding HRC supporters to claim that Dean did not enact their absolutely ridiculous proposal in order to keep HRC from being the nominee so that he, Dean, could be Obama's VP.

Yeah, that's how absolute f-nut crazy this race is. :(

[demwing]

46. I see your point

But I wish I didn't. :-|

[JVS]

20. YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHRRRRRRR!

:thumbsup:

[Mudcat]

21. this idea is worth talking about!

[lojasmo]

22. My VERY favorite potential ticket, but...

It will simply not happen.

[Hutzpa]

23. Congrats..... somebody finally gets it

DEAN is the choice no doubt.


:thumbsup:

[nomorewhopper]

24. i really, really like dean

but he won't be veep

[Hutzpa]

26. Mind telling us why Dean won't be a Veep... n/t

[nomorewhopper]

27. baggage, lack of clout, better choices

obama needs some foreign policy experience, some gravitas, and appeal to lower educated americans

dean is perceived as a latte liberal popular with the college set and is best remembered for sounding like a professional wrestler after losing an important caucus as part of a nomination process where he lost to a guy who lost to bush.

i loved the guy and i was a deaniac during the last election.

but it is not going to happen.

[Hutzpa]

34. hmmmm......

so let me see if I understand you, because Dean don't have
foreign affairs knowledge that means he can't be a very
good Veep, since when a Vice President needs such discription,
looks like most of us have become in tune into the media
directive.

Did Cheney have any foreign affairs experience.... nope, he
came with a business background with one thing in mind that
is to sell everything American.

[nomorewhopper]

38. it has nothing to do with whether he would MAKE a good veep, it means that...

...he's not going to be asked to be the veep. if you would like to bet $1000 i am willing to make that wager with you that dean will not be asked by obama to be his vice president.

you seem to be confused between two issues 1) being qualified to be a good vice president and 2) being asked to be the vice president. there's a huge pool of people who would be good veeps. i'm telling you why dean won't be asked.

[Blondiegrrl]

29. I personally would LOVE that ticket. However, I think that would be a bad idea.

Obama has already been labeled the "latte-drinking elitist" candidate from the north. I don't think it would be a strategic move to place on the ticket another northern "elitist" who hails from a state that is certain to go blue anyway. The "hardworking whites" :eyes: from the south would never go for it.

Regardless, I love Dean. Supported him in the '04 primary.

[madfloridian]

32. Just like in 04....we need a Southern general.. or better yet a religious.

man from the deep South.

So tired of that.

[shadowknows69]

30. I'm there

[madfloridian]

31. DU is not the place to advocate for Dean for anything.

There are bloggers discussing this, but discussing it here is useless.

From September 2003...DU has been very much not for Dean. Oh, there will be appreciative posts now and then, but not many.

The major lefty bloggers have been tied with Simon Rosenberg's NDN, so you don't hear much from them.

Many people agree with you, and I have seen more things about it lately...but here you will not get much support.

He would be a great choice, but he is an outsider by choice. He goes to VT on week-ends instead of hanging with insiders.

I would love it, but don't expect much from DU in agreement.

[sam kane]

33. I say yes we can! nt

[Shae]

35. I like Dean. . .

but Vermont doesn't have very many electoral votes, and I think that will be a factor.

[demwing]

36. Question - Does a VP HAVE to deliver a geographic region?

Look at Clinton and Al Gore. Gore didn't add what Clinton lacked, he complimented what Clinton represented.

I believe the Obama/Dean match would carry that same success.

[arewenotdemo]

37. Love Dean, but don't we need to target swing states?

On edit: Maybe you're right.

[PoliticalAmazon]

39. Be still, my beating heart. I would take ALL of my comp time off ....

...to be boots-on-the-ground for that ticket.

[Califooyah Operative]

40. I wish! nt

[4_Legs_Good]

41. DUers dreamS come true!

That would be sweet, sweet candy!

David

[judasdisney]

43. Obama/Gore would be nice, but Obama/Richardson is more likely

[MaineDem]

44. Oh God I hope not

Something in the cabinet perhaps but not on the ticket, please.

I'm not sure he'd put himself through another campaign.

[thoughtcrime1984]

45. I'd love that ticket

I just don't see it happening.