Distractions giving Hillary a Chance to WIN!!!

[Zachstar]

Clinton is in it to win it!!

While y'all are gloating and posting the same junk over and over again. Clinton is building her support in upcoming contests. Support that will give her what she needs to take this to the convention!

Think it is over? These distractions that are keeping some people from what is important like phonebanking ( http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/ ) and gaining local support. While y'all are distracted the Goddess of Peace is rallying her base and will go on!

Looks like HILLARY may hold the 40 point lead!

[cali]

1. Complacency may not be a good thing, but Hillary

is no longer a serious candidate for the nomination.

[Zachstar]

2. Hillary is building her support, HILLARY is not giving up!

Meanwhile it seems talk about you know actually building support for Obama just seems to be unpopular these days. A perfect chance for Clinton to get in MAJOR victories!!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/ must be a lonely place these days....

The Goddess of Peace continues on!

[elizm]

7. SurveyUSA: Obama would win California primary if held today...

Chew on that when you start dreaming out support for Obama being unpopular these days.
http://cbs5.com/politics/poll.clinton.obama.2.720136.html

[pompano]

38. Yes, but he can't win....

any big States. What part of BIG States don't Obama's supporters understand? I'm LOL. You say California like it's a big State. It shrunk. Now it was Big when Hillary won it in the Primary, anymore, not so big. OMG, this is too funny. Most States can cram 370 delegates into one county.


I'm like so laughing!

:sarcasm:

[cliffordu]

88. Florida do over? Michigan do over?? OK - How bout a California do over, too.

[cali]

8. It's not about Hillary giving up. It's about the facts.

Obama is now just 165 delegates away from 2025. Hill is 329 delegates away from it. There is now virtually no way for her to pull ahead by any metric other than SDs and it's been clear for some time where that's headed. Obama got 9 just yesterday.

Your hysterical posts beseeching people to phonebank- something I've done in the past- aren't actually helpful, because of their hysterical tone.

[Royal Oak Rog]

15. Goddess of Racial Smear and Divide More Like!

She'll be lucky to hold her senate seat after this display. You don't sit up in the pumpkin patch on Halloween and wait for the "Great Pumpkin" do you?

[SoCalDem]

101. She's the newly crowned Queen of West Kentuckiginia

[WeDidIt]

43. Hillary looks like a fool

she cannot win.

[cliffordu]

89. She looks like a panderbear in a pantsuit

All she needs is a unicycle to really be part of a circus.

[PoliticalAmazon]

52. Hillary can only win if we continue to feed her anger-baiting because it keeps her campaing alive...

As long as we continue to rise to her anger-baiting we are telling the world that Hillary is still a threat, we are afraid of her, and she is still relevant to the GE.

Take cues from Obama, who has stopped reacting to her anger-baiting and has his eyes focused on November and uniting the Dems.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5915001&mesg_id=5915256

[Onyx488]

48. HILLARY DIDN'T WIN OHIO BY DOUBLE DIGITS!!! PASS IT ON!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/9/19758/84424/696/512899

Goodbye to Clinton's double digit Ohio win
by svotaw1992
Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:25:34 PM PDT
I didn't see this posted anywhere, but Ohio has official results up for the primary. The numbers have changed significantly.

svotaw1992's diary :: ::
According to unofficial old results on RealClearPolitics.com and thegreenpapers.com, the race was won by Clinton 1,212,362 to 982,489 for a difference of 229,873 (or 10.4%).

The new official results are 1,259,620 to 1,055,769 for a difference of 203,851 (I had to add the districts up individually since I couldn't find statewide totals anywhere). That's a change of 26,022 toward Obama. The lead for Clinton is at a final margin of 8.8%, so I guess she didn't get that double digit victory in Ohio after all. Looks like there were lots of provisionals and absentee for Obama that didn't get counted on election night.

West Virginia is also coming up. With 660,000 resgistered Democrats and assuming a huge turnout, we get about 300,000 votes. If Clinton wins by 20%, that's a 60,000 vote margin. She's already lost a big chunk of that (26,000) with the Ohio official update. That's means the popular vote totals won't change much after West Virginia vote on Tuesday (for those who are even paying attention).

UPDATE
For those of you asking, there were just under 100,000 provisional ballots accepted out of 123,000 cast. So yes, this change is reasonable.

Wow... first time on the rec list. I was just passing time on a lazy Friday afternoon at work. I hope someone double checks my numbers. ;-)
(hattip to northhanger for verifying the numbers from the SoS site)

UPDATE2
For those of you who are curious, the West Virginia Democratic primary turnout in 2004 was 252,000.

[PoliticalAmazon]

53. So, big woop. Let's move on and stop feeding Hillary's campaign...

Ohio was in the past, which is what Hillary wants us to become mired in.

Let's move on and stop giving importance to things that really are no longer important.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5915001&mesg_id=5915256

[Onyx488]

58. I respectfully disagree with you...

It's very important to stay on top of the numbers and the mis-information that we get flooded with everyday. They are are counting on us not to notice the truth. they make it a point to make a big deal about every time Hillary beats Obama by "double digits". They try to hold this over our heads as a "reminder" that "Obama can't win white votes"

Well if we keep in mind that Hillary has trouble beating Obama by blowout numbers, the we can help stomp out the lie that he can't get the "white vote"

She didn't get double digits in
PA
OH
and Indiana was only won by .885% not even 1%
it's important for people to know that.

Peace Out!

[goclark]

90. Is that the Final final result?

Or are they still counting?

[Zachstar]

54. Thanks for the heads up!

[Political Heretic]

3. So what?

[Zachstar]

5. So what will you think when the goddess of peace goes to the Convention?

[Buzz Clik]

27. The Goddess of Preemptive Nuclear Strikes. It has a nice ring to it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Delete

[Zachstar]

6. Awww no comment on the Goddess of Peace going to the convention?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. I figured out where you were going with this...

:rofl:

[psychmommy]

9. we cannot afford to get complacent.

i pledge to give an hour today after i get done work. if we all pledge an hour or 1/2 hour look how many people we can reach. more than bill did w/his bubba hate speech. we can't take our eyes off the prize. people respond to obama's positive message and to hearing from regular people like us. i got a few answering machines but, the people i spoke with were so pumped let's keep them pumped!

[melody]

10. This is so sad,

You're deluded -- the race is over. Your approach would be like me still pulling for Edwards. Wake up to reality -- the nominee is chosen. It's Obama.

[Zachstar]

11. Did Clinton exit? Is the Convention on the 13th?

[melody]

13. This is like watching impoverished people taking their sick children to Lourdes for healing

There is no chance. None. Clinton isn't exiting because she's blackmailing the Democratic Party -- and you are helping her, thereby destroying your own party.

[psychopomp]

20. I think you missed the point

The OP is encouraging Sen. Obama's supporters to work to eliminate Sen. Clinton and to counter her efforts to resist the inevitable.

[melody]

47. See the OP's follow-up to my post n/t

[NJmaverick]

12. Denial, not just a river in Egypt

[The River]

14. It Won't Change The End Result

She can win WV and KY by hugh!1! margins and it won't
change the final results.

Enjoy your delusions and denial while you can.

[Catch22Dem]

16. Wow! Some people need medication. Goddess of Peace? Fucking laughable. nt

[psychopomp]

18. Laughable, indeed

That's probably why Zachstar is encouraging Obama supporters to drop their complacency and work to eliminate Sen. Clinton on the ground.

[Apollo11]

17. My guess is that Zachstar is an Obama supporter

The OP has 2 objectives:

1. To portray Hillary supporters as crazy people who go around calling Senator Clinton "the Goddess of Peace".

2. Encourage fellow Obama supporters to phonebank for their candidate.

It's a nice try - but too transparent for me.

[Lilith Velkor]

100. I think it's cute.

At least it's a break from the monotonous hand-wringing.

[kentuck]

21. Or to change the rules?

:-)

Isn't the person with the most delegates supposed to win??

[Zachstar]

24. She can still go to the convention...

[Jawja]

22. It's Over.

:hi:

[Zachstar]

23. Not yet! She can still go to the convention if she wants!

[The River]

26. And Then What?

Behind in every metric, whats her claim to the nomination?
Why would all the super D's undo the will of the voters?
Whats the rationale? She's white????

[Buzz Clik]

25. Headline: "Clinton Rides Shocking West Virginia Win Into the White House!"

um, yeah.

[Zachstar]

28. Perhaps! You never know!

[matcom]

29. Is that the SAME 'Goddess of PEACE' who voted to INVADE a nation?

or are we talking about someone different?

[Zachstar]

31. Nope, Same person.

[matcom]

33. ah so you really ARE batshit insane

and worthy of my ignore list.

thanks for clarifying

[Zachstar]

35. You do realize I am an Obama supporter right?

[matcom]

no i didn't

I missed the :sarcasm: tag

:rofl:

[Zachstar]

42. Why would a Clinton supporter post the link to the phonebank map?

[psychopomp]

40. Read the fine print

The poster is telling those who would like to see Sen. Clinton eliminated to eschew complacency and work to get her out on the ground.

[Buzz Clik]

30. I suppose it's possible. I definitely paid my dues in Indiana.

I certainly hope that some of bretheren in the remaining states are now willing to step up to the plate.

[rocktivity]

46. I hope those of you who worked for Obama in PA and IN feel that you failed

Quite the opposite: Because the PA supporters got Obama to his "magic number" of 45% of the vote, he needed only 40% of the vote in IN. And since he got 40% of the vote in Indiana, he needs only 35% of the vote in WV to prevent Hillary from gaining ground. Conversely, because Hillary didn't get 65% of PA and 69% of IN, she is now going to have to get 86% of the vote the rest of way to win fair and square!

P.S. For the record, Hillary won PA and OH by nine points, not ten, and IN by one point, not two.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Window]

32. K/R.

:kick:

[Zachstar]

37. Thank you

[Window]

50. You are most welcome.

Peace:thumbsup:

[doublethink]

55. That's Goddess of 'Peace' ...

:thumbsup:

[Clear Blue Sky]

34. She's hoping for some new surprise revelation against Obama.

Another Rev Wright or something similar. Though if she was holding that trump card, she would have played it already I suspect.

[Zachstar]

36. Indeed!

[rocktivity]

39. If Hillary doesn't get a SEVENTY-TWO point lead from here on in,

it will only help her raise money for a lost cause and give the media a reason to keep running with the story. She needs to get 86% of the vote in ALL SIX of the remaining contests to overtake Obama. Which is probably why he's been leaking out enough superdelegates to be able to clinch the delegate lead with as little as 35% of WV.

Speaking of distractions, this stuff about Obama paying Hillary's campaign debts was meant to distract us into not giving him more money. Campaign laws forbid him to take "direct responsibility" for another candidate's debts--I think paying them out of his own campaign funds would qualify as "direct responsibility."

Now, Hillary's "hard-working white people" distraction is one that can work to the advantage of WV Obama supporters. What better way to reward her than with a margin of victory MUCH smaller than expected, like in Indiana (she won by ONE point, not two), Pennsylvania (she won by nine points, not ten), and Texas? Pool your resources and hit those phones!

:headbang:
rocknation

[Zachstar]

41. I agree! Please Phonebank!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

[formercia]

44. I have only one thing to say:

Gimme a break!! :rofl:

[Zachstar]

51. No Break for you!

[4themind]

45. He;s right

we can't get complacent, we can cede no metric to her, because she will use that to still hang on to some supporters, the more that we can take away before/if she goes to the convention the better. If she has her current level of support going to the convention, it may not matter if obama wins, if he doesn't have enough time to unify her supporters. If he can take away EVERY conceivable metric (other than super delegate coup) we can win more supporters to his side SOONER than otherwise, and very possibly leave more time for those who haven't to change their minds before the convention. We want to improve our chances of winning the G.E. here, beating hillary is one step to that goal, but not it's not enough to reach our goals, we all need to unite, and we need that to start happening before convention time, the sooner we can win in all metrics, the sooner we can get to that point IMO(I could be wrong)

[ShortnFiery]

49. Who the Hell is complacent?!?

Most of us are a mix of "fear and loathing" (miss ya Hunter S. Thompson) at ever race baiting comment HRC's vile surrogates of Devil's Rejects are spewing.

We're paying attention, donating and phone banking.

Not any more can be done from afar.

Go Obama. :patriot:

[L0oniX]

56. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Zachstar]

59. What is so funny?

[Zachstar]

104. I ask again.. what is so funny?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

57. oh noes! the horrors.

wish i had a lolcat to describe this with.

[Clear Blue Sky]

60. The numbers are very much against her.

[Zachstar]

71. She may still go on!

[SoCalDem]

61. Not at the rate she's losing supers:)

:rofl:

the boat's taking on water..& the bucket's got a hole in it

[Zachstar]

62. It is not over yet. She can still sneak in victories

[EmeraldCityGrl]

63. Yeah right...the future of the planet lies in the hands of WV and KY...n/t

The Gods must be crazy...:crazy:

[totodeinhere]

64. It doesn't matter if she wins WV by 60 points.

It's just not possible for her to catch up in pledged delegates, especially since Obama is favored to win Oregon and Montana.

My friend, you have got to come to terms with the fact that it's over.

[Zachstar]

70. She may still go to the convention!

[totodeinhere]

78. But why do that when she's already lost? It's just a waste of time and money.

[Zachstar]

82. That is for her to decide and if she makes gains in upcoming states she may decide to go on!

[totodeinhere]

85. But your OP says that she still has a chance to win. That's where you go wrong. She doesn't.

You have got to come to terms with reality. And if she refuses to quit that just shows that she is delusional. And who wants a delusional person to be president?

[kid a]

65. I'm canvassing in MT by day and calling in WV when i get home.

[Zachstar]

69. Thank you

[kid a]

66. Obama in WV all Monday...

[Zachstar]

72. Sounds good!

[Lord Helmet]

67. I'll have what you're smoking.

[Zachstar]

68. I am not smoking anything...

[Danger Mouse]

73. Lol, very funny post.

Like it. :thumbsup:

[Zachstar]

79. It has a purpose but I am glad some got a laugh.

[Bright Eyes]

74. Is this satire?

I can't tell....

[Danger Mouse]

75. It's encouraging Obama supporters to phone bank in a sarcastic manner.

[Indi Guy]

76. Friend to friend -- it's over...

There is no metric (measure) whereby Hillary gets the nod.

I personally appreciate your commitment but it's now time to work for the party.

[Zachstar]

80. Its not over until Clinton decides to exit. Or the convention.

[jazzjunkysue]

77. Better mortgage your house and send her all of it: She's broke.

Otherwise, do us all a favor and grow up and learn to add.

Not. Enough. Delegates.

Call whoever you want, she can't get enough delegates out of the remaining states.

2+2 still equals 4, regardless of how delusional you are.

[Zachstar]

81. I understand math just fine thank you.

That does not mean it is over for Clinton. The distractions are allowing her to make progress in upcoming states?

Don't like it? Well I wonder why you are posting crap to me instead of phonebanking?

[jazzjunkysue]

87. He's got the delegates. Period. Annoy strangers on the phone if you think

that's fun. But it won't help.

[ericgtr]

83. This weekend 500 showed to see Hillary and 9000 showed to see Obama

in Oregon and there were people who could not get into to see him waiting outside. Sorry but no way.

[Zachstar]

84. Yes Way!

Clinton is gaining ground while yall are distracted and not going to http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/


She may get enough support to go to the convention!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

86. Wow.

I didn't know DU's obsessions factored into the Clinton campaign strategy. Good to know.

[Zachstar]

91. Wow so many people think I am not an Obama supporter

Read the Op again.

[Zachstar]

92. Kick!

[Zachstar]

93. Just one more kick.

[Zachstar]

94. Well look what happened! Yall got distracted and Clinton swooped in for a big win!

LOL

[Zachstar]

95. What? Nothing to say? You spent a week celebrating supposed victory and see a big loss.

Will this mean people will get serious again?

[SeattleGirl]

96. Talk to yourself a lot?

:eyes:

[Zachstar]

97. That is what you have to say when victory was there and lazyness allowed clinton to win bigger?

[SeattleGirl]

98. So she won big in a state where the mjority of people won't

vote for a black man? Wow! I'm impressed! :eyes:

And btw, laziness? Could that be your little code word for "black"?

[Zachstar]

99. No lazy as in yall thinking that it is pointless to work not and break open the celebrations while..

Clinton Moves on and scores.


Hopefully today was a hard lesson that this is not over yet.

[barack the house]

102. EXACTLY, the work is not done till November we've still got work to do.

[Zachstar]

103. Amen!

[quantass]

105. k&r