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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:39 AM
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And Dean losing his temper is bad...how???
I am sure he will tone down some of his delivery as he goes to other states, but an occasional outburst by Gov. Dean to show that he is still passionate against "evil-doers" in our White House is a good thing. It is not something to be avoided as the other candidates and Republicans would try to spin to us.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:41 AM
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1. Seen plenty of passion...
but never that bad temper that everybody's talking about.

Any examples?
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:43 AM
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4. I've never seen passion, only anger
I lost count of times he rolled his eyes at debates alone.

Check out Edwards if you can't tell the difference.
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dd123 Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:41 AM
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2. Yup. How he could NOT lose his temper at the shenanigans
of Bush and Co would be inhuman.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:44 AM
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5. if you lose your temper, your brain turns off
this is a problem and he's got it bad. He admits it himself.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:42 AM
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3. It's About His Rhetoric & Persona-Not About Losing His Temper
Further, I'd say the worst aspect of Dean is his Intemperate Speech.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:51 AM
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8. Howard Brush Dean III's lack of control in general is unbecoming
Self discipline, self awareness and consistantcy are essential for leadership.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:53 AM
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9. oh please, Dean hasn't had any lack of control over his "temper"
it's all just desperate spin ;-)
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:47 AM
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6. I love it!
I don't think he's got the temper everyone talks about but I am damn glad to see a Dem who will stand up and speak passionately in this time of playing-it-safe. Thsi play-it-safe strategy has gotten us in the political wilderness, we have nothing. No House, Senate, WH or anything.

It's high time.

Julie
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:50 AM
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7. Current American political etiquette demands that one
smile pleasantly while one relates crimes being perpetrated by another elected official. :eyes:
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Philosophy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:55 AM
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10. He might just go off and start a war for no reason
And presidents never do that.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 01:38 PM
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16. Resident Bunnypants isnt known for those type of temper fits
HE does it the way the soft Dems like - behind the scenes, out of the public eye.

And the result is the same. Just ask over 10,000 dead Iraqi innocents.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 11:59 AM
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11. W has a worse temper, ask Al Hunt or Craig Fuller
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 12:05 PM
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12. Because Conservatives Believe You Should Smile While Stabbing Someone
in the back.

Conservatives project this air of noble gentility to deceive the easily conned and manipulated.

Thugs are always bad, Noble charm and grace is always good.

It matters not that every night the Republicans extract their daily revenge with bloodletting legislation to enslave more of the middle class.

As long as the American public "believes" it was done with honor and dignity, all is OK.

Sadly, this is where we are in 2004 and this is the tightrope that all progressive candidates must walk.

To win, we will need to out noble the nobles!
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 12:44 PM
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13. if it were bush's* temper
they were talking about, it would be considered manly.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 01:33 PM
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14. Rip em a new one Dean
and everybody else for that matter. You may have noticed that the RW media is chanting over and over that the Democratic candidates are speaking with shrill voices steeped in anger. That's how we know we're getting to them, when their RW media friends have to step in and help. Keep up the good work Democrats.
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 01:36 PM
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15. The pink tutus are deeply offended by showing of spine.
It upsets them. It doesn't look nice.

It's politics.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 01:46 PM
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17. Angry people are attracted to that behavior- but NOT the majority of peopl
It's very distasteful to many people (me included). I respond to "uplifting" not "negative," and so do most people.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 01:49 PM
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19. It is better to be strong and wrong in times of adversity
than weak and right. I'm not arguing Dean is wrong; I'm saying he understands the importance of not acting like a wuss like Daschle all of the time.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 01:47 PM
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18. When has Dean lost his temper? Did I miss something?
I've never seen him lose his temper.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 01:52 PM
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20. Remember when Gore 'crowded' bush on stage at debate. It helped Bush.
That's what anger does to Bush. It makes people empathize with Bush.

Also, FDR knew anger would just lead to a game on Republican's home-field. The Republicans win by scaring people. If you're afraid, you go with Republicans. Anger makes people afraid.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 09:10 PM
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21. The problem with frequent anger
Some anger is, of course, healthy but the healthy way to deal with an issue or problem is to be "assertive" and not "agressive."

If you have people talking about how "angry" you seem - chances are you have an "anger management" problem.

It's easy to see how someone with and "anger management problem" would not be a good choice to be President. We can see some of the consequences by looking at Bush (It has been mentioned occasionally that Bush has an anger management problem):

http://www.habitsmart.com/anger.html

1. Cognitive Deficits: People with anger control problems have an insufficient number of adaptive responses to provoking events. Research has shown that angry people, when asked how they would solve provocative situations, have fewer ideas than people without anger problems. There few ideas, not surprisingly, tend to be hostile.

2. Frequent False Positives: People with anger control problems often misconstrue events such that they feel provoked even when they are not. It has been found that people with anger control problems tend to be vigilant for presence of people deliberately hassling them. Therefore, due to only seeing part of the picture, they tend to misconstrue innocuous frequently.

3. Rigid Beliefs: People with anger control problems often possess steadfast beliefs as to the legitimacy of hostile retaliation. Some examples include, "Hostility is okay if someone does something to provoke it." or "The best way to get your needs met is to demand it." or "People are, for the most part, stupid and need to be dealt with forcefully." It is not difficult to imagine how adhering to such beliefs might lead to some volatile encounters.

4. Difficulty Anticipating Outcomes Before Action: People without anger problems are able to control how they respond to anger and actually keep it from getting out of control by predicting what "could" happen if they "lost it." People with anger problems tend to respond quickly without such forethought.


Another problem: when angry, people show changes in their thinking They will become "single minded," and are only able to focus on whatever they believe is provoking them.

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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 09:24 PM
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22. Only with neutral observers
I don't buy this assessment when the people who are talking about how "angry" a person is are people who are attempting to defame the character of their political opponent.
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