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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:53 PM
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Why did Kennedy's run to the convention not bring the same outrage as you take out on Hillary?
Kennedy came into the Democratic convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City with 1,225 delegates to Carter's 1,981 and 122 uncommitted. Kennedy's only chance to wrest the nomination from Carter, who had enough delegates to win, was to pass an "open rule" motion....

The Florida and Michigan delegations are currently counted at zero each after being stripped of their delegates by the DNC when they leap-frogged into the early voting calendar. Normally, the two states combined would boast more than 350 delegates. Clinton has made it clear she wants the Michigan and Florida delegations seated at the convention. She won Florida and, speaking at a rally there on Jan. 29, told supporters, "I promise you I will do everything I can that not only Florida's Democrats get seated but that Florida is in the winning column for the Democrats in November 2008."... http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080131nj1.htm

In 1980, after the convention floor debate, Kennedy picked up support from most of the uncommitted delegates, bringing his vote total to 1,390 -- still shy of the majority needed to pass the motion. Carter won the rule vote and Kennedy quickly conceded. Another 300 delegates would have been enough for Kennedy to pass the motion and throw that convention "wide open," Trippi said....

There are 795 super-delegates to the Democratic National Convention, Shea said. "They're the key to this whole process." Super-delegates include governors, members of a state's congressional delegation and former officeholders. "Super-delegates tend to be more the establishment wing of the party -- not exactly the Obama group," he said. "They're a crucial piece of the brokered convention. DNC rules stipulate they don't have to vote for the candidate, even the one they've endorsed."


This is relevant to today-
The debate was over whether delegates should have to vote for the candidate they'd been pledged for, or have an "open" vote during which they could pick Kennedy or Carter, Trippi recalled in an interview. The back story being that the economic and international political situation had deteriorated between the time most people voted and the time of the convention, opening the door to Kennedy, who was billed as a change candidate. "It went all the way down to the wire,"


This time many more delegates and votes were made before Rev Wright hit the national stage.

Why is Kennedy lionized for his courage in that fight and Hillary is called every name in the book by Obama suporters?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:54 PM
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1. Did democrats win that year?
The answer is no.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:29 AM
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114. because we love Ted Kennedy and his family. We love them, that
is why.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:54 PM
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2. WE LOST IN 1980
If we won you'd have an argument.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:32 AM
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115. because Carter was a tool bag, Iran went to shit, inflation was high, gas was ridiculous, the econ
was in the pits, interest rates were 15% to 20%, and and and and and and and....

Carter deserved to loose.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:54 PM
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3. Because I was 3?
And I doubt that even Skinner had his first computer yet.

There were no internets.

Etc...
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 PM
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8. *snort*
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:31 PM
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56. I was 11 and did not have cable....
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:05 PM
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71. Hey! I was 3 also:)
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:19 PM
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100. I was - 7
But if they had let the unborn vote I would've been 100% behind President Carter.
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:54 PM
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111. I wasn't even born yet
And Al Gore didn't push through the legislation that got the internet created yet
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:33 AM
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116. i wasn't born yet either........
let's just say my mother was pregnant when she went into the Reagan vs Mondale voting booth.
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:55 PM
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4. Have some respect.
This is the wrong time to use Kennedy as a political propaganda tool.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 PM
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Agreed
This is really tasteless right now.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:59 PM
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20. It's not propaganda, he made a valiant effort, he knew Carter was going to lose
and thought he was the better candidate. He was probably right.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:02 PM
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29. EVERYONE knew that Carter was going to lose. He insisted on running, though.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:04 PM by indie_ana_500
And he lost in a landslide. It was virtually guaranteed that he'd lose.

I suspect the Dem. Party leaders asked Kennedy to run so they'd at least have a chance of beating Reagan.

It was because of that primary that the Dem. Party started the superdelegate system. That was the type of situation the superdelegates were created for....when someone might win the nomination, but that someone was virtually guaranteed to lose the GE.

I still don't like the superdelegate system. But the Carter election is the reason it was started, and I can sort of see their thinking on that. Sort of.
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tmoore411 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:34 PM
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78. This would be funny if it wasn't so sad...
The super delegate rule was instituted after the 1968 convention in response to the McGovern landslide loss. It had absolutely ZERO RELEVANCE to the OP discussion, other than to point out, that just as in 1980, maybe the wrong candidate has more delegates at this point. Additionally, the OP makes a very VALID point about the vitriol thrown at Hillary Clinton for letting DEMOCRACY run it's course. If you have won, there is no need for your opponent to quit, if you have not won, well, I guess there is plenty of reasons to throw a temper tantrum and scream and stomp until you get a pony, err, I mean your "entitlement".
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:32 PM
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107. Actually Carter had a chance to be re-elected
Generally incumbents running for re-election fall into four categories. The first is unbeatable. FDR in '36, Ike in '52, Johnson in '64, Nixon in '72, and Reagan in '84 are good examples of this. The second is fairly safe for re-election but possible to beat. Good examples are FDR in '40 and '44 and Clinton in '96. The third is too unpopular to be re-elected. Think Hoover in '32. The fourth is unpopular but can pull out a win by convincing the electorate that they are better than their challenger. This is Truman in '48, Carter in '80, Bush in '92, and Bush in '04.

1980 was an extremely close election until the last week and Carter was polling slightly ahead of Raygun and was doing a good job painting him as a reckless warmonger. It worked until the debate where Ronnie somehow won the electorate over by saying "there you go again" a bunch of times. Anderson didn't do Carter any favors, either.

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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:03 PM
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32. Some people would dig up their own mother if they could find an advantage to it.
I have nothing more to say to you.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:12 PM
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40. He was the better candidate
but his Chappequidic disaster made him virtually unelectable. A shame, because he would have been a formidable president.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:20 PM
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51. You're asking the wrong poster for *that*.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:20 PM
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101. agreed. no reason to go this low
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:55 PM
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5. Another thing
that brought the beginning of the Reagan Revolution.

It brought us both Bush both of them.
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tmoore411 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:39 PM
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79. So Reagan and Bush Sr/Jr are Ted Kennedy's fault ???? n/t
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 PM
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6. I was in the Persian Gulf, ready to rock the Casbah.
Yes, I'm *that* old. :hi:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:58 PM
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17. You telling me we need to get you a walker? Grandpa?
:-)
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:12 PM
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39. Hey! I'm still ready to kick ass!
Help me up. :rofl:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 PM
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7. Because Kennedy is a Democrat, not a DINO.
Anh comparison of 1980 Teddy Kennedy with 2008 Hilly Clinton fails miserably.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 PM
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9. No internets
it's the world wide echo chamber.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:56 PM
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10. Kennedy is a Democrat, Hillary is a Clintonite
Two entirely different parties.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:57 PM
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11. Because he didn't tell many of us that we weren't his constituency by courting a bunch of
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:01 PM by patrice
people like the Neo-cons and their Slaves ever since the day of the IWR to this.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:57 PM
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12. I'm sure there was
There also wasn't an internet back then. Oh yeah, and Carter got his ass handed to him, and Kennedy's speech at the convention didn't help.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:26 PM
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106. Uh, internet was started already.
It came out of the Kennedy years.

http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml

It took a while to make it to the home, of course.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:57 PM
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13. I wasn't alive then
And comparing Ted Kennedy to the DLC Queen Hillary is just wrong.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:57 PM
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14. I was young, and not even in the US
There is more, we LOST that year

Oh here is even more, Kennedy became an elder statesman in the Senate... and if HRC is lucky that is her future

Oh and one last thing, in the MODERN Democratic Party you get only one bye at the apple
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:58 PM
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15. Because Kennedy wasn't just an ambitious political hack like Hillary.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:28 PM
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77. lol, so his reasons were righteous and Hillary's aren't?
end of argument huh?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:53 PM
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87. Oh no, he was noble and high minded.
I hope that you just forgot to use the sarcasm emoticon. Otherwise, your comment is ludicrous.

:eyes:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:58 PM
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16. Because the Democrats lost in 1980.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:58 PM
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88. They should have given it to Kennedy. Same as they should
nominate Hillary.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:58 PM
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18. I wasn't born yet
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:59 PM
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19. Because people are FAR more wedded to each candidate this time. This is why...
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:01 PM by sfam
Hillary's supporters cannot come to grips with the possibility that their candidate probably lost the election based on horrid early strategy, so instead they claim that every tactic from Obama is sexist, and tacitly blame his campaign for the MSM and blog sexist comments.

Obama's supporters look at everything Hillary does through a prism of that shows her actions in the worst possible light.

And things ARE more ramped up because of Kennedy's run. We lost that year because we were divided. Most observers thought this race was pretty much decided with 11 straight wins - even many on Hillary's staff have reportedly said has much off the record. But instead of a graceful completion (which at that time, the conventional wisdom was that we would have a dream ticket), we've been treated to a very nasty two months of campaigning, and have ended up exactly where we were after the 11 contests - Obama has an insurmountable lead in delegates. Only now both candidates have gotten bloodied.
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:19 PM
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49. Another factor is that political partisanship is more bitter now
Long, long ago, before the Republicans formed their evil empire, your political affiliation was a minor part of your identity, like blue-eyed and brown-eyed. Democrats and Republicans had different agendas, but they worked together in Congress and middle-of-the-road legislation was passed. The media wasn't controlled by the conservatives. Talk radio didn't spew hate over the airwaves. We live in different times now, and we are much more polarized, even within the party.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:59 PM
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21. Because they don't know or care about our party's history.
Only about their "American Idol."
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:07 PM
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37. And others don't care that hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died, in part because
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:08 PM by patrice
their candidate needed to be able to say that she is "strong on defense" when it was "her turn" to run for pResident.
In short, she is making it VERY clear that a whole bunch of us are NOT her constituency. She's bidding for Neo-cons and their Slaves. And if you don't believe that you need to listen to what Terry McCaulif said to Chris & Keith this evening.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:00 PM
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22. I wasn't alive then...
And how did that election turn out, by chance? Hillary is perfectly within her rights to take it to the convention, but it will likely mean Democratic defeat in November. You've lost, why can you not accept that?

FUCK YOU for pushing the despicable wright meme. Go back to freeperland.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:15 PM
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98. Let's See
It's Hillary's fault if Obama gets the nomination, then loses the GE... because she did everything so wrong.
AND if he loses the nomination it's Hillary's fault because he didn't get the nomination.
This place gets funnier every day.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:00 PM
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23. You don't know why? Let me 'splain it to you.....
It was because of that primary that the Democratic Party instituted the superdelegate system.

I didn't realize the Kennedy run to the convention, but now that you mention it, it makes sense, BECAUSE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RECOGNIZED ALL TO WELL THAT CARTER COULD NOT, AND WOULD NOT, WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. HE SIMPLY INSISTED ON RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION, THOUGH, IN DEFIANCE OF REQUESTS NOT TO.

Hey, I wasn't very old at the time, altho I was old enough to vote. And I could've told anyone who asked that Carter wouldn't win the re-election. I had voted for Carter the first time. I voted for Reagan the second time.

Why was Carter not going to win the GE? (1) Interest rates at that time were 18% to 22%. That's right. To buy a house, your interest rate would've been around 20%, which meant most Americans would not be able to buy a house. (2) Inflation rate was extremely high. (3) He'd had serious foreign policy problems. Very serious.

What that meant - Carter had failed in every area, in his 2nd term. He was virtually guaranteed to lose the GE. So I suspect Kennedy was being ASKED by the Dem. Party leaders to take the nomination from him.

I'm not saying if that was right or not. Just sayin' the way it was.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:02 PM
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28. In fact Tip O'Neal asked Kennedy to run...
I don't think it was a wise idea though. Taking out a sitting president is a bit difficult.
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tmoore411 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:08 PM
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95. Supers where instituted after the '68 convention, which allowed Kennedy the leeway to take the fight
to the convention. You have posted this LIE twice now on this thread. Be a "student" of history, not a "reviser" of history.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:53 PM
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109. Carter was polling even or slightly ahead of Reagan until the last week
Carter was weak but not out. His situation was actually a lot like Bush in '04. Bush was weak and the economy was ailing but he could win by painting his incumbent as worse. Reagan was actually very effective in doing that until the debate where somehow Reagan dispelled voters' fears about him by saying "there you go again" a bunch of times.

Anderson also did Carter no favors.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:00 PM
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24. Hillbots don't learn from history. Very poor example nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:01 PM
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25. No race baiting was used?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:41 PM
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61. bleugh
(cuts all ways that)
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:02 PM
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26. There wasn't as much urgency to come together back then?
Following up four years of Carter isn't the same as the necessity of coming together to win after eight years of Bush.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:02 PM
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27. Yeah, and where's the outrage over the Spanish-American War?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:02 PM by NewHampshireDem
J'accuse!

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:15 PM
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45. hillary would have won that too......
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:00 PM
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90. Damn straight.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:02 PM
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30. Ian hostage crisis. Carter was adamaged goods and getting more damaged as that spring went on.
You quote it youself in the OP:

"The debate was over whether delegates should have to vote for the candidate they'd been pledged for, or have an "open" vote during which they could pick Kennedy or Carter, Trippi recalled in an interview. The back story being that the economic and international political situation had deteriorated between the time most people voted and the time of the convention, opening the door to Kennedy, who was billed as a change candidate. "It went all the way down to the wire,"

Bad things were happening with Iran and Kennedy probably knew that the CIA was feeding info to reagan's campaign so they could do a back-door deal for the hostage release.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:21 PM
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52. carter also under estimated the resistance in the house and senate
to his proposals. he thought he could get what he wanted without opposition and never understood how to work with the senate. he was a man of high principals swimming in a sea of sharks.
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:03 PM
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31. I wasn't born yet. n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:16 PM
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46. no excuse.....
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:29 PM
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55. My mother and father were not American citizens or America in 1980.
;-)
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:01 PM
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91. still no excuse.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:03 PM
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33. Sexism
That's my recollection from when I was almost 5.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:05 PM
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34. I was CUSSING out Teddy. I canvassed and did lit drops fo Carter in 1980.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:05 PM
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35. You know what happened after that?
This happened (blue is BAD):



Why the hell do you THINK we're pissed off at what Clinton is doing now?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:06 PM
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36. No one holds his vote for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution against him, either.
:shrug:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:13 PM
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41. It's not only about making mistakes; it's also about what you DO about the mistakes you make. nt
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:26 PM
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54. Well, what did Teddy do? I've been unable to find out.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:27 PM by Straight Shooter
And, how long of a time did he have to rectify the mistake? Was he lambasted for the next few years, or was he handily reelected as a Senator? Was his sin mitigated because 47 other Senators voted for it, also?

If you know, please tell me. Sincerely.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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59. I'm no expert on his legislative career outside of his efforts for Health Care, but
I'd say I'm thinking about his vote against the IWR and sponsoring Barack Obama candidacy against the center of power in the Democratic Party are two more recent things that come to mind.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:42 PM
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62. But he never was castigated for voting for the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
I wonder if the Internet had existed back then, if he would have been condemned by so many for that vote, as Hillary has been for hers, when he made his run for the Presidency against Carter.

As for legislative career, No Child Left Behind. Ack.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:58 PM
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66. Okay, I get your point, so I guess context makes the difference. Kennedy didn't try to
ram his "mistake" down our throats inspite of widespread objections. Just because the internet has made this possible, that doesn't mean that it is less valid.

I make the point abot HC because she asks for it and it is possible for me to do so. If all of the factors were the same except it was Kennedy instead of Hillary, I would be making the same point about him and excusing her.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:55 PM
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65. The martyred posted this elsewhere on DU today. Please read it.
Thank you, Senator Edward Kennedy!

Timeline

1962
Edward M. Kennedy is elected to the United States Senate.
1964
Senator Kennedy made his maiden speech on the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was signed on July 2, 1964, and the Senator strongly supported the Economic Opportunity Act, which was signed on August 20, 1964. The EOA stated that programs would be "developed, conducted and administered with the maximum feasible participation and the residents of the areas and members of the groups served." It also established community action programs, including ABCD, to mobilize resources that could be used in a direct attack on the roots of poverty
1965
Senator Kennedy won passage of a bill establishing a National Teacher Corps, which awarded scholarships to young individuals willing to supplement their normal course of study with education courses. Participants agreed that, after graduating, they would teach for at least two years in economically-distressed rural and urban areas.
1966
Senator Kennedy, through an amendment to the Economic Opportunity Act, created a national health center system. In1966, the nation's first comprehensive neighborhood health center was established by Tufts University in cooperation with ABCD at the Columbia Point Housing Project in Dorchester.
1968
As a result of Senator Kennedy's championing of bilingual education, the Bilingual Education Act of 1968 was passed by Congress. The Act mandated schools to provide bilingual education programs, which was the first time Congress had endorsed funding for bilingual education. The Bilingual Program, a federally funded program through Title VII of the Elementary and Secondary Education act, was updated with the Improving American's Schools Act of 1994
1970
Senator Kennedy continued his commitment to senior citizens by supporting Older American Community ServiceEmployment. He also advocated the Voting Rights Act Extension, maintaining the Civil Rights gained in the 60's. He was successful in passing his statute to lower the voting age to 18. Due to the skyrocketing costs of home heating, particularly for low-income families and elders, the Senator actively worked on creating a fuel assistance program for the low-income. Kennedy was also responsible for legislation that quadrupled the amount of funding for cancer research and prevention.
1971
Senator Kennedy became Chairman of the Senate Health Subcommittee, enhancing his ability to champion the cause of quality health care for all Americans
1972
A program that Senator Kennedy holds dear to his heart is the Meals on Wheels program for senior citizens which he strengthened in 1972. This program offers nutritional meals to homebound seniors. Another priority for Senator Kennedy was the Women, Infants, and Children Nutrition Program. This program, popularly known as WIC, offers food, nutrition counseling, and access to health services for low-income women, infants, and children under the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children. Also that year, Kennedy was a key supporter of Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, which protected women from discrimination in educational institutions and increased athletic opportunities for women in colleges and universities.
1973
Through his leadership, Senator Kennedy helped continue and improve legal services and emergency health services for the poor and improved educational opportunities for the handicapped. In addition, Senator Kennedy sponsored bipartisan campaign finance legislation to help clean up the electoral system. The bill imposed new contribution limits and established public financing for presidential elections.
1975
As part of his work on a wide range of domestic programs affecting the poor, Senator Kennedy championed the national Family Planning Initiatives. Senator Kennedy was an original cosponsor of the Education for All Handicapped Children Act, which later became the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). This important law seeks to guarantee a free and appropriate public education to children with disabilities, regardless of their severity, in every state.
1978
Senator Kennedy cosponsored the Civil Rights Commission Act Amendments of 1978, which expanded the jurisdiction of the Civil Rights Commission to protect people from discrimination on the basis of disability. In addition, Senator Kennedy led the effort to dregulate the airline industry, allowing airlines to choose their own fares and driving down costs for consumers.
1979
Senator Kennedy became Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and was influential in providing access for women and minorities in judicial nominations.
1980
Senator Kennedy introduced the Civil Rights for Institutionalized Persons Act, which enforced the constitutional rights of people in government institutions such as the elderly, the disabled, the mentally ill, and the incarcerated. Beyond ensuring humane living conditions and basic rights to such individuals, the law detailed the protection of religious practices of the institutionalized. In addition, Senator Kennedy authored the Refugee Act of 1980, which established a comprehensive U.S. policy to provide humanitarian assistance, admission and resettlement to refugees around the world.
1981
Senator Kennedy garnered Congressional support for Low-Income Energy Assistance Programs (Fuel Assistance) ensuring that low-income and working poor families do not have to choose between eating and heating their homes.
1982
In the wake of ideological budget restraints under President Reagan, Senator Kennedy sponsored the Job Training Partnership Act with Senator Quayle, which proposed to educate and train the nation's front-line workforce, It strengthened program requirements, provided better targeting of services to reach those most in need, provided higher quality services. Despite the efforts to eliminate the Summer Jobs Program, Senator Kennedy had it reinstated. Kennedy was the chief sponsor of the Voting Rights Act Amendments, which led to increased minority representation in Congress and state legislatures nationwide.
1983
Senator Kennedy has always balanced military preparedness with domestic needs. On becoming a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, he opposed the untested Star Wars Program and strongly supported Nuclear Arms Control.
1984
Senator Kennedy cosponsored legislation requiring polling stations to provide physical accessibility for physically disabled and elderly people on federal election days.
1986
Senator Kennedy was an original cosponsor of a law that required that facilities and services be provided to people with disabilities traveling by air, both on aircrafts and in terminals and airports. Kennedy also cosponsored the Employment Opportunities for Disabled Americans Act, which made work incentives for diabled individuals a permanent fixture of the Social Security Act. As a result of the law, people working despite severe disabilities became eligible for special status to receive SSI benefits and Medicaid coverage. Handicapped Children's Protection Act: Overturned a Supreme Court decision and allowed courts to award sensible attorneys fees to parents of children with disabilities winning in due process proceedings under the Education Act.Education of the Handicapped Act Amendments: Established a new grant program aimed at developing an early intervention system benefiting infants and toddlers with disabilities and their families.
1987
Senator Kennedy supported a Minimum Wage Increase and the Welfare-to-Jobs Incentives, increasing the job-readiness skills and disposable income for low-income and working poor individuals. In addition, Kennedy introduced legislation that added Even Start to the Elementary and Secondary Education Act to enable schools to work with children before they enter the classroom. Even Start provides early education, family literacy and related services to disadvantaged parents and their children.
1988
Senator Kennedy introduced the Fair Housing Act Amendments to extend the law to include people with disabilities and families with children. By expanding the law, the FHAA prohibited discrimination towards people with disabilities in the sale or rental of housing. Kennedy also cosponsored legislation that provided funding to all 50 states in order to raise awareness about the potential benefits of assistive technology, which significantly improves the lives of people with disabilities. Kennedy won an important victory for labor when he teamed with Senator Hatch to restrict the use of polygraph or lie detector tests in the workplace. Also that year, Senator Kennedy introduced legislation to require companies to give sixty-days notice to employees before closing a plant that would cost at least fifty workers their jobs.
1989
Senator Kennedy won passage of the National Military Child Care Act, which established the DOD child care system that is still viewed as one of the best in the country today.
1990
On July 26, 1990, the Americans with Disabilities Act was enacted into law. Introduced by Senator Kennedy, the ADA prohibited discrimination against any qualified individual with a disability in job application procedures, hiring or discharge, compensation, advancement, training, etc. Also that year, Senator Kennedy introduced, along with Senator Hatch, the groundbreaking Ryan White CARE Act, which provided emergency relief to the thirteen cities hardest hit by the AIDS epidemic, and also provided substantial assistance to all states to develop effective and cost-efficient AIDS care programs, aimed particularly at early diagnosis and home care. Kennedy was the lead sponsor of the Immigration Act, which increased quotas for family immigration, established a diversity visa program and a temporary safe haven for persons fleeing oppressive governments.
1991
Senator Kennedy was the chief sponsor of the Civil Rights Act of 1991, which strengthened existing protections and remedies available under federal civil rights laws, including the provision of remedies for intentional discrimination and harrassment in the workplace. Senator Kennedy also supported a bill to repeal the ban on women serving as combat aviators, making it possible for women to play a full and complete role in our national defense.
1992
As a strong proponent of Early Childhood Education, Senator Kennedy assisted in the Expansion of the Head Start Program which increased the number of low-income children served by 25%. Senator Kennedy also championed the Head Start Improvement Act which maintained quality, extended services and authorized the purchase of buildings to enhance program stability. His actions on the Summer Jobs for Youth Program resulted in a $500 million supplemental appropriation that was allocated for fiscal year 1992 for summer jobs which provided an additional 300,000 youth with summer employment. Also that year, amid serious concerns regarding the quality of mammography, Kennedy cosponsored and helped pass the Mammography Quality Standards Act to ensure the safety and accuracy of mammograms, and to promote the use of the procedure.
1993
Senator Kennedy helped establish the Direct Lending program, included as part of the Budget Reconcilation Act of 1993. The program created a system of direct lending to reduce the cost of federal student loans for students, families, and taxpayers. Also that year, Senator Kennedy sponsored the National and Community Service Trust Act, creating AmeriCorps and the Corporation for National and Community Service to help expand opportunities for Americans to serve their communities, including education grants for students who choose to volunteer for service after college.
1994
As Chairman of the Senate Labor and Human Resources Committee, Senator Kennedy worked closely with President Clinton to expand opportunity for working families. His leadership brought about the passage of the Family and Medical Leave Act and the School-to-Work Opportunities Act, which provided seed money for local school-to-work programs designed and run by local business, education, community and labor leaders. He also sponsored the Human Services Reauthorization Act, which guaranteed the extension of ABCD and all Community Action core funding. It also put Head Start on a path to reach all eligible children and expanded Head Start to cover pregnant women and young children on the 0-3 age group. This Act also reauthorized the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program to help families pay their heating bills. Also that year, Kennedy was a leader in the fight to pass the Crime Act, which secured funding for 100,000 new police officers, imposed tough new penalties for crimes involving gangs and firearms, and authorized the Police Corps, a program that gives talented young people college scholarships in return for their commitment to serve as police officers in their communities.
1996
Senators Kennedy and Kassenbaum sponsored the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), which ensures access to health coverage for an estimated 25 million Americans who move from one job to another, are self-employed, or have pre-existing medical conditions. Also that year, Kennedy joined a bipartisan group of Senators to help enact the Mental Health Parity bill to eliminate unjust annual and lifetime limits on mental health coverage that differ from those imposed on other covered illnesses.
1997
Senator Kennedy, in his senior role on the Senate and as an acknowledge national spokesperson for the disadvantaged, continued to work on a vast array of domestic programs in the wake of an increasingly conservative Congress. He demonstrated his ongoing commitment at the dedication of the $8 million ABCD-controlled, HUD-funded conversion of the abandoned Michelangelo School in Boston's North End to 71 units of affordable elderly housing. In addition, Kennedy helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to support state efforts to provide health insurance to uninsured children in low-income families.
1999
After finishing the 1996 Temporary Assistance to Needy Families Act (welfare "reform"), Senator Kennedy saw the need and acted to assist the hardest to employ with Welfare-to-Work Initiatives. These initiatives provide individuals with access to job training, adult education, job placement, child care, transportation assistance and case management, and therefore really give families the opportunity to leave welfare and start life anew. ABCD, in partnership with Morgan Memorial Goodwill Industries, initiated a successful welfare-to-work program which was strongly supported by Senator Kennedy. Senator Kennedy is championing the cause and the role of the ABCD Urban College of Boston with the U.S. Department of Education.
2000
Senator Kennedy was the lead sponsor of the Minority Health and Health Disparities Research and Education Act, which addressed the complex factors that have led to pervasive health disparities between minorities and other Americans in the United States. The approach included a commitment to research on minority health, and improved data systems to track the extent and severity of minority health problems. The law also included an authorization for significant resources to help enhance the delivery of health care to minorities. In addition, the Senators Kennedy and Frist sponsored legislation to improve the nation's ability to respond to outbreaks of infectious disease. The Public Health Threats and Emergencies Act included initiatives to control the spread of germs resistant to antibiotics, and to protect the country against bioterrorism. Also that year, Kennedy authored the Pediatric Graduate Medical Education program (GME), which provided essential support for training programs at children's hospitals across the country.
2001
Senator Kennedy, as chairman of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee, worked with Democrats and Republicans to pass the landmark No Child Left Behind Act. The law contained substantial reforms to help close the achievement gap in public schools and improve the quality of education for all of the nation's students. In addition, following the attacks of September 11th, 2001, Senator Kennedy called together various disaster relief and mental health organizations to plan a coordinated response to the mental health needs of families of victims of the tragedy. His leadership provided immediate avenues for collaboration between disaster response agencies and ensured a timely and comprehensive response.
2002
Following September 11th and the anthrax attacks in October of that year, Senator Kennedy introduced the bipartisan Bioterrorism Preparedness Act to help the country prevent, prepare for, and respond to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies. The law helped upgrade federal capacities to respond to bioterrorism, improved the response at the state and local level, and paved the way for new treatments and diagnostics. Senator Kennedy also sponsored the bipartisan Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act, which expanded the country's intelligence and law enforcement capabilities to help identify individuals who have violated visas, or have links to terrorist organizations. The law safeguarded the entry of more than 31 million persons who enter the U.S. legally each year as visitors, students, and temporary workers, striking an appropriate balance between isolating criminals and upholding America's immigrant traditions.
2003
As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Kennedy sponsored an amendment to provide funding for the procurement of additional armored Humvees for use in the war in Iraq. Senator Kennedy acted in response to reports that one quarter of all American deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan occurred in unarmored Humvees, and that thousands more soldiers have been injured or disabled for life. The additional funding was used to purchase Up-Armored Humvees and armor add-on kits for the vehicles to meet the safety needs of American troops. In addition, Senator Kennedy led the effort to pass legislation that significantly enhanced law enforcement tools related to the exploitation and abduction of children. The PROTECT Act provided funding for AMBER Alert notification systems along U.S. highways, and awarded grants to states for the implementation of improved communication technologies.
2004
Senator Kennedy was a leading cosponsor of legislation to reauthorize the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). The legislation included bipartisan improvements to the program that provides special education services to six and a half million students in the U.S. The reauthorization provided for at least 30,000 additional special education teachers, improved education training, and expanded technologies available to disabled children. Senator Kennedy also sponsored and helped pass the Project Bioshield Act, which created a federal funding stream to guide America's medical and biotechnology researchers in creating stronger defenses to biological threats. The National Institutes for Health, as well as universities and research institutions in Massachusetts and around the country, will benefit from the initiative, and lead the way in developing new biodefense countermeasures such as vaccines, immunizations, and other treatments.
2005
During consideration of the Iraq supplemental spending bill, Senator Kennedy introduced an amendment to ensure armored Humvee production remained at maximum levels. As a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Kennedy was successful in his efforts to pass Humvee-production legislation in 2003. However, mismanagement at the Pentagon had left production far short of what's needed to provide adequate security for U.S. troops. Senator Kennedy's amendment boosted funding to put production back on track. In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, one of the worst natural disasters the country's history, Senator Kennedy joined his Senate colleagues in passing emergency funding to assist in the recovery efforts. In addition, the Senator met face-to-face with relief organizations working to provide support to victims, and discussed with them the best ways to implement relief and support services for those affected by the tragedy. Senator Kennedy also sponsored and helped pass emergency education funding for schools impacted by Katrina, and introduced the bipartisan Gulf Coast Recovery and Preparedness Act.
2006
Senator Kennedy sponsored and helped pass the Family Opportunity Act, which provided states the opportunity to expand Medicaid coverage to children with special needs, allowing low- and middle-income families with disabled children the ability to purchase coverage under the Medicaid program. For many disabled children, Medicaid is the only health insurance program offering sufficient benefits to cover the required care, such as physical therapy and medical equipment. The Family Opportunity Act will allow parents of disabled children to go to work and earn above poverty wages without losing coverage for their children.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3314636
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:11 PM
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68. Thank you, Forkboy.
But still nothing about the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

I hope Hillary will be allowed redemption for her mistake, as Teddy was for his. They are both strong liberals.

G'night.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:03 PM
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70. If she does in the next 35 years what he has she'll have the redemption he's gotten.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:21 PM
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102. no she will not be allowed redemption because
in exhorting his Senate colleagues NOT to vote for IWR, Sen. Robert Byrd said many prophetic things and many historic things. Among them was his citation of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution!

HRC CHOSE not to listen, not to examine history, not to trust Byrd or Kennedy who learned from experience. No, SHE TRUSTED BUSH! Nuf said.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:15 PM
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72. HE VOTED FOR THAT?!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:49 PM
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108. The Gulf of Tonkin vote was 98 to 2 and it was a completely different era
The only two senators who voted against it were Wayne Morse and Ernest Gruening. Even the harshest critics of the war like McGovern and McCarthy voted against it.

And more importantly this was back in the era when we still trusted our leaders. Many members of Congress were from the World War II generation and that was seen as a virtuous war. The IWR was cast with the history of Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra and all other sorts of other reasons not to trust the President's word at face value like we did in the 60's. To put it another way, we were naive in 1964 when the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was voted on. There was no excuse to be naive in 2002 when the IWR was voted on.

Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy took the lead in rallying votes against the IWR precisely because they learned the lessons from their 1964 vote. Unfortunately too many people have not.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:10 PM
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38. Because we are girl hatin', kitten' chewin', mean little boys.
There...the truth is out! Happy now?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:14 PM
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42. ok hillary won...... so lets move on to more important issues
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:14 PM
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43. I was a young teenager
sorry. :shrug:
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:15 PM
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44. Simple: Carter had no chance of winning, just as
Hillary has no chance of winning. Kennedy was trying to save the Presidency for the Democrats. Hillary is willing to destroy the Democrats if it gains her the Presidency. Big Difference.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:24 PM
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105. Exactly, plus as I say downthread
Kennedy had (and has) grace and class... along with real experience and a genuine legislative record of doing things that are right for THE PEOPLE not for his political career or his power!
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:17 PM
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47. I was 8 years old. I don't think I was paying much attention to politics back then.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:04 PM
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92. Why not?
Do you think that absolves you of all responsibility?
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:18 PM
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48. I was 9...
...but man was I pissed <sarcasm>...
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:19 PM
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50. WE LOST
LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST

(repeated for emphasis)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:23 PM
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53. you mean "lost" has been on tv that long?
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:31 PM
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57. I was 3.
I was more outraged at Tom's treatment of Jerry.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:37 PM
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58. It did.
next...
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:39 PM
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60. I was twelve. EOM
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:42 PM
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63. I was a republican then so I was happy for it to go to the convention. nt
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:49 PM
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64. I Was A Carter Supporter
Wasn't worried about Kennedy taking it away - nor am I worried about Clinton. This will not be overturned on fantasy, fear, racism, gender - if we lose the GE, I'll know who to blame.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:07 PM
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67. If one wants the same results in the general election that happened in 1980 - that's fine
What happened in 1980 was clearly a tragic mistake,

But with Sen. Kennedy fighting for his life in the hospital with a critical and possibly terminal illness - I find it more than just a little inappropriate to bring this issue up at this time.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:21 PM
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73. The point is he should have been the nominee, just like
Clinton should be. That is why we have the rules regarding Superdelegates. So we don't get our asses handed to us.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:26 PM
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75. The Superdelegates have gone Obama's way.... they aren't "saving" your candidate....

135 to 19 since Feb 5th.


You're banking on the supers saving you? They've been leaving Hillary in droves.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:27 PM
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76. I totally disagree!! I admit I made a terrible mistake and did not support President Carter in that
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:34 PM by Douglas Carpenter
race. It was one of the dumbest things I have ever, ever done. I should have been old enough to know better.

We do have supper delegates and they are moving toward Sen. Obama.

And remember President Carter was either equal, slightly behind or ahead of the polls with Reagan up until the last minute.

BTW: I only considered myself a supporter of Sen. Obama about 10 days ago when it became clear that he was the presumptive nominee and there was no chance whatsoever of Sen. Clinton winning the nomination.

If you check all the experts readings and analysis on the upcoming general election - there simply is a mixed opinion on who would be the strongest candidate. There certainly is no consensus on that matter.

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"Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.0% chance of winning in November”(results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants)."

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189"

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll



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Real Clear Politics NATIONAL Average: Obama 47.2/McCain 43.4

The general election poll averages the latest polls from Gallup, Rasmussen, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post,POS/GQR and LA Times/Bloomberg

link:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:12 PM
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69. Because I wasn't even sperm in 1980?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:05 PM
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93. Why do you use that term? Why not "I wasn't even an egg"?
Sexist.
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:51 AM
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113. Probably because they might have been an egg during 1980
Edited on Wed May-21-08 12:59 AM by pschoeb
but not a sperm.

All of a womens eggs are present from birth, but sperm are only made once a man hits puberty, and they go through them pretty fast(a few weeks). So I assume the persons Mom and Dad were born, but had not hit puberty yet, ergo the person was an egg, but not yet a sperm.

Otherwise if neither parent was alive in 1980, they would be 14 at the oldest, if their mother was 13 when they had them. Since it's not likely their parents were 13, they would more probably be at most 10, which seems rather unlikely they would be posting here. But hey don't let rational thinking get in the way of rant on sexism.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:24 PM
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74. We were absolutely livid at Kennedy here at DU in 1980. In fact, it's taken
all of us almost three decades to forgive him. You should have been here.




















:evilgrin:
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:45 PM
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80. How do you know it didn't?
I love Teddy but it still pisses me off what he did to Carter. Just remember there was no internet or DU for people o rant on. If there had of been it would've been ugly then too.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:46 PM
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81. I would've criticized him very strongly had I been born at the time.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:48 PM
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82. I wasn't alive yet.
That's why.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:49 PM
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83. The people that have went though that now know that is the worst possible scenario..
I certain loss.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:51 PM
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84. It appears that some of you only know current events......that explains a lot of things.
What kind of lame excuse is not knowing what happened in 1980 because you were 2, 4, 8 or whatever age??? Try opening a history book once in a while.

With all due respect to Teddy and his illness, what he did in 1980 was disgraceful. He want after a sitting president of his own party. He fought the nomination all the way to the convention floor and he was 700 delegates behind Carter. He may not have been the cause of Carter's loss to Reagan, but he sure contributed to it.

I'm also angry about his comments a week ago where he seemed to question Hillary's leadership. Considering that she got more votes than any other candidate in Democratic primary history (except for Obama), that was just too precious.

Having said that, I'm terribly sorry over his health and will keep him in my prayers.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:52 PM
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86. Yes, we're aware of what happened in 1980.
We just weren't around to criticize anybody for it.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:54 PM
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110. Kennedy's actions were wrong in 1980, Hillary should not repeat them
And frankly I don't think she will.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:51 PM
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85. Don't assume so much. I thought it was a mess.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 10:52 PM by mmonk
In those years, we weren't coming off of 8 years of unconstitutional rule either. And at the time because of the economy and the Iranian hostage crisis, Carter was not a popular incumbent.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:00 PM
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89. OK. Kennedy was an asshole.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:02 PM by Mooney
I'm just kidding. You should have seen GD:P then. It was a fucking cesspool.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:08 PM
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94. Because they were IGNORANT of history.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:13 PM
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96. Because Kennedy had class and grace
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:38 AM
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118. seriously? do you remember that primary race?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:13 PM
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97. because we've had eight years of George W. Bush
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:17 PM
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99. Because he's not a total proven liar and race-baiter?
NT!

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:23 PM
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103. As an angry 8 year old, I banged my pots and pans.
:evilgrin:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:23 PM
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104. Will you give it a rest. Do you think this type of dialog will bring the party closer together to
defeat McBush?
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:05 AM
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112. What makes you think I wasn't pissed?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 12:06 AM by Undercurrent
I was, and we lost!

I remember it well. There was LOT of anger, and it hurt a lot.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:33 AM
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117. Don't see anything in your post in regards to Kennedy's attitude or he being vile
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:53 AM
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119. It did. It was just a different era in terms of information.
Kennedy crippled Carter that year. Carter was going to lose all along, but Kennedey pretty much guaranteed a humiliating defeat and a lot of Democrats questioned why he was doing it.

At the same time, a lot of Democrats thought Carter was a disaster of Old Testament Proportions and thought maybe The Old Kennedy Magic could pull us out of a death spiral.
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