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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:20 PM
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Kucinich and Indigenous People....
Edited on Sun Jan-04-04 02:21 PM by Desertrose
I pulled this off "Indigenous Peoples for Kucinich" website....this is a Native American website that feels so far that Dennis is the only Candidate to say these things. I do not want to start a flame war...if you have a link to where the other candidates have stated their views...please post :)

http://rancholoboblanco.members.easyspace.com/Indigenous.htm

National Apology to Indigenous Peoples
"Kucinich is the only Democrat candidate running for the Presidency who has said that one of the first things he would do if elected President would be to apologize to the Indigenous Peoples of the First Nations for the suffering and injustices they have endured and reassure them that he will work tirelessly on their behalf."

Sovereignty Rights / Tribal Recognition

A Kucinich administration would promote legislation re-establishing sovereignty rights, enforcing treaties and pass Federal Tribal Recognition for those tribes which have been seeking it for so many years and re-entering upon the roles those tribes which have been dropped without any cause.

There is a link to DK's answer to the "Native American Times Questionnaire" where these things are stated.

http://kucinich.us/firstnations/native_am_times_answers.php

Peace
DR

edit for typo..
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:23 PM
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1. Dennis just went up in my book again
:)
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:30 PM
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3. Cool John...his campaign here in AZ on behalf
of Dennis presented the Pres of the Navajo Nation, Joe Shirley , with a Sacred Pipe blanket as an outreach and they have been connecting for awhile.

Dennis cares deeply about what is happening to our all our Native sisters and brothers and when he is President, will do everything he can to right so many wrongs done to the tribes...not just the Navajo.

The stories I could tell you about the things I learned when I did some research for him....so sad.

Peace
DR
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:31 PM
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4. Very cool, thanks DR
I dont have any native blood but I know what has happened, its a shame. I am glad Dennis is talking to them.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:28 PM
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2. have you seen any polling numbers?
among native communities?

I would think that Dennis was the only candidate that deserved support, but I've seen native support for Clark and Dean as well.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:38 PM
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6. All I know is the local AZ stuff at present
There is a large group of many coalitions from the NN (Navajo Nation-which is the largest tribe and largest rez, too I think) who are committing to Dennis bigtime from what I hear....

I think Clark appeals to so many NA because so many have fought for us in the wars we've had, so they relate to Clark.

The thing with Dennis is that he will address the domestic issues as well as do everything to prevent future wars. We have more than enough "battles" here at home to deal with...poverty, joblessness, violence against each other. Do we really need to go to Iraq or anywhere else to fight??

I agree...Dennis is the best IMHO-but I'm sure that is already known :)
Dean- well, I won't go there.....

But Dennis is definitely catching on with Indigenous people...even though the media/polls won't report it...thats OK- they'll get their surprise soon enough>
Peace
DR
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:37 PM
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5. Yeah, this is gonna get Dennis a lot of votes....feh!
Stick to economic populism, Dennis. That is where you can get votes....
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:38 PM
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7. This is why I support the man cryo, hes great on economics
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:40 PM
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9. your right - it will
...get a lot more votes than you think...

:hi:
Thanks for the encouragement there ,cryofan.

Peace
DR

(yes I know he was being a smartass)
:shrug:
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:40 PM
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8. I Love Kucinich, But Clark Is Also Very Pro-Indigenous People
Edited on Sun Jan-04-04 02:40 PM by DoveTurnedHawk
He believes in tribal sovereignty, direct payment to tribes rather than funnelling through the corrupt and inefficient BIA, and standing up for treaty rights.

He is so good on these issues that the Native Times gave him an incredibly awesome and enthusiastic endorsement:

<...>

The United States’ obligation to Indian country covers many areas that are essential for the well-being of Indian country. Clark is solid on health issues and shares our views on increased funding for the Indian Health Service and stands for increasing the quality of education in Indian Country. Clark has a plan that includes working directly with tribes on these issues because he believes they have the best understanding of how to help their people.

Clark has talked in poignant detail about the depressing statistics facing Indian people on crime. He understands the unique and shameful way Native American men, women and children are victimized in Indian communities. With overlapping jurisdictions and a critical gap in understanding by federal and state authorities, tribal courts and police officers must live with an unfunded mandate that neither acknowledges the source of the problem in Indian country nor the solution.

If Clark brings that same respect for international sovereignty to the sovereign Indian nations, he is not only the best candidate for Indian people; he is the best candidate for all Americans.

Four states (Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona and North Dakota) with huge Native American populations will hold their primary elections on February 3rd. Indian people have been the margin of victory for many high profile races across this country and this race promises to be close. This time, Indian voters can literally help determine who will be the next President of the United States.

This is a historic opportunity to make a difference for yourselves and your children.


http://nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=displayarticle&article_id=3445

DTH
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:47 PM
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11. Glad to see Clark is on the right track too
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:48 PM
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13. I Am Donating to Kucinich as Soon as I Max Out for Clark
Which will be very soon.

:thumbsup: to Dennis!

DTH
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:54 PM
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15. good stuff
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:49 PM
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17. Good call DTH.
And thanks. I've been handling it one month payment to Kucinich and the next one to Kerry ever since DK got in the race.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:52 PM
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18. Shouldn't the respect and genuine likeness people who support
others see in him make him more electable :). Ive noticed that two people who may be say a Kerry supporter or a Dean supporter although the Kerry one may detest Dean and vice versa through the feuds, they both have a lot of respect for Dennis Kucinich, its funny. I think its a good thing for him.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:47 PM
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12. I know...Clark I think feels the connection
through their military links...so many have fought in so many wars.The first woman killed in Iraq was a Hopi ( the people of peace, right?)..Lori Piestewa from Tuba City.

Did you know the Navajo Codetalkers just received recognition last Nov for what they did in WWII?

I think Clark connects by way of the military that so many NA have fought in...

I just feel Dennis has a better plan as far as changing things on the rez...and hopefully to keep us from further wars. His Dept of Peace would work very well with the Navajo Peace courts.... I think he will do a lot to restore veterans benefits that bushwa has so callously taken away and then lies about how he supports our military!

Peace
DR
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:49 PM
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14. Dennis Has SO MANY Great Plans
Edited on Sun Jan-04-04 02:49 PM by DoveTurnedHawk
I love how only Dennis and General Clark have proposed anything remotely similar to a "Department of Peace" and cutting the bloated military budget. It shows me they really get it.

DTH
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:01 PM
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20. That is good that there are two cannidates speaking up
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:47 PM
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23. yes, but will he make an aplology
to native peoples for what we have done to them? The greatest crime that this nation has committed is long overdue for official public recognition. Nothing else will do.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 04:48 PM
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26. Yes..he stated so on his website.....
"Kucinich is the only Democrat candidate running for the Presidency who has said that one of the first things he would do if elected President would be to apologize to the Indigenous Peoples of the First Nations for the suffering and injustices they have endured and reassure them that he will work tirelessly on their behalf."


Under #5 Sovereignty , on his webpage

http://kucinich.us/firstnations/native_am_times_answers.php
Second Paragaraph.....

Peace
DR
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 02:40 PM
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10. Dennis is an honorable man....
.... I spent yesterday afternoon/evening at a meeting of Indian people in rural, upstate New York. Every one of them expressed a respect and affection for this good and decent man. However, as you probably know, the Native American Times has endorsed General Wesley Clark. Now you will see more and more support for Clark. This is not because they like Dennis any less .... they know he is a man of good character. But he simply can't beat Bush in November. Dennis and Wesley share many of the same ideas regarding the important role that Native Americans should play on the world stage .... I hope that President Clark appoints Dennis to an important role in his administration for helping to make this a reality .... the USA could use some of the insight that the traditional leaders have in our dealings with 3rd and 4th world peoples!
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:39 PM
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16. kick....
stupid for me to post right before the debate...heres a kick back up in case anyone else is interested!


Peace
DR
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:58 PM
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19. Not to mention the indigenous people in Latin america
who are being brutalized by the school of americas and "free" trade
Kucinich is the only one standing up for them
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:38 PM
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22. Fantastic point
North American natives are not the only ones who have been / are still getting screwed.

By being the only candidate with a realistic appreciation of just how bad these investor and profit protection... oops, sorry, I meant 'free trade' agreements are, he's clearly the only one with his eye on the ball on that issue.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:34 PM
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21. Great link, Mom!
Another fantastic reason to support Dennis... this is an issue close to my heart. :-)
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 04:41 PM
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24. kick for dk
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rogerhall Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 04:45 PM
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25. The 'Native American Times' endorsed Clark
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